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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:21 PM Dec 2013

Life Support Cutoff Looms for Brain Dead California Teen

Source: ABC News Radio

(OAKLAND, Calif.) -- Time is running out for the family of a brain dead California teenager as it scrambles to find a facility to take her before the court order keeping her on life support expires Monday.

Jahi McMath, 13, was declared brain dead following a surgery to remove her tonsils and adenoids on Dec. 9.

An Oakland judge ruled last week that the hospital could remove Jahi from life support only after the family had time to appeal or make other arraignments.

Despite multiple doctors agreeing that Jahi is brain dead, her family has battled the Children's Hospital Oakland to keep her on life support.

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Jahi McMath Life Support Expires At 5 P.M. At Oakland Hospital, Family Of Brain-Dead Girl Will ‘Fight Until The Very Last Second’

At 5 p.m. Monday, Children’s Hospital & Research Center Oakland in Northern California will remove 13-year-old Jahi McMath from life support when a court order to keep the Oakland teen on a ventilator expires. McMath was put on a breathing machine earlier this month after a routine tonsillectomy left her brain-dead.

According to the Los Angeles Times, Jahi’s family is struggling to find a new hospital that will take the girl in before Monday’s deadline. Several hospitals in California have declined their requests, and the family’s attorney is now talking with a care center in New York.

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Life Support Cutoff Looms for Brain Dead California Teen (Original Post) Purveyor Dec 2013 OP
My heart goes out to the family. FarPoint Dec 2013 #1
The shock of such an unexpected death is only compounded by hlthe2b Dec 2013 #4
So well said my friend. FarPoint Dec 2013 #7
It is heartbreaking for sure sdfernando Dec 2013 #9
the hospital's trying to save it's ass in the lawsuit. if she's dead the most the hospital will have leftyohiolib Dec 2013 #2
She is dead. MsPithy Dec 2013 #5
Children's is a great hospital XemaSab Dec 2013 #6
It is one of the best pediatric hospitals cosmicone Dec 2013 #15
Such a heartbreaking story. TDale313 Dec 2013 #3
How is time running out? She's already dead. aaaaaa5a Dec 2013 #8
Better source, the Oakland Tribune alp227 Dec 2013 #10
Karen Anne Quinlan heaven05 Dec 2013 #11
Karen Anne Quinlan LiberalElite Dec 2013 #12
big difference, huh? heaven05 Dec 2013 #13
Karen Anne Quinlan was still alive - LiberalElite Dec 2013 #14
Actually, yes. Chemisse Dec 2013 #18
It's totally different. The article says that blood flow to her brain has stopped. catbyte Dec 2013 #33
Very different case karynnj Dec 2013 #16
Can you imagine! JNinWB Dec 2013 #19
A bit over the top, maybe? marble falls Dec 2013 #20
I could have said... JNinWB Dec 2013 #22
And that would be a reasonable statement. I agree, no reputable health care would keep ... marble falls Dec 2013 #24
I'm glad they got a little more time to make absolutely sure there was no hope. Chemisse Dec 2013 #17
I agree davidpdx Dec 2013 #34
God Bless her Soul mconnors Dec 2013 #21
The story on the local news (SF KRON 4) changed this morning. displacedtexan Dec 2013 #23
Any medical procedure carries risk. My sister coded during a colonoscopy riderinthestorm Dec 2013 #25
Oh thanks you just scared the bejeesus out of me... VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #29
I've seen reports that her overall problem was sleep apnea rocktivity Dec 2013 #26
tonsilectomy and adnoid removal are routine....done every day. VanillaRhapsody Dec 2013 #30
The date has been postponed until Jan. 7th. displacedtexan Dec 2013 #27
Great. Now the wingnuts Mr.Bill Dec 2013 #28
I believe it too davidpdx Dec 2013 #35
Gives the family eight more days for fundraising! JNinWB Dec 2013 #31
I read this in the LAT: JNinWB Dec 2013 #32

hlthe2b

(102,225 posts)
4. The shock of such an unexpected death is only compounded by
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:33 PM
Dec 2013

the pressure to "accept" the death and move on. While there is clearly no hope for the young woman, it is very sad that the family can't come to their own acceptance with a little less pressure and forced time table. I think they might not have dug in their heels and wasted all their energies on trying to find an alternative institution, rather than availing themselves of the opportunity to say goodbye, if things had been handled a bit differently.

Sad, truly.

sdfernando

(4,930 posts)
9. It is heartbreaking for sure
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 05:13 PM
Dec 2013

but brain dead is dead. As hard as it is they should accept that their daughter is dead and make arrangements to donate as many of her organs as possible. Then know that her death has saved so many other lives and find some measure of comfort in that.

 

leftyohiolib

(5,917 posts)
2. the hospital's trying to save it's ass in the lawsuit. if she's dead the most the hospital will have
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:28 PM
Dec 2013

to pay is 250,000.00

XemaSab

(60,212 posts)
6. Children's is a great hospital
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 04:49 PM
Dec 2013

They save living children every single day.

For them to keep a dead person in one of their 131 beds is preventing them from helping living children.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
15. It is one of the best pediatric hospitals
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 06:05 PM
Dec 2013

in California if not in the world.

For every adverse outcome, they have had hundreds of positive outcomes. Medicine is unpredictable and no doctor/hospital can control all the variables.

aaaaaa5a

(4,667 posts)
8. How is time running out? She's already dead.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 05:04 PM
Dec 2013

I honestly feel very sad for the loved ones involved. But the hype for this story has been driven by a media more interest in tugging at heart strings than reporting facts.
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
11. Karen Anne Quinlan
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 05:51 PM
Dec 2013

was hospitalized in New Jersey for a very long time. Why isn't the lawyer(s) using her as precedent until a facility can be found? Quinlan was in New Jersey, would it make any difference?

catbyte

(34,373 posts)
33. It's totally different. The article says that blood flow to her brain has stopped.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 09:30 PM
Dec 2013

There is no hope for recovery for this poor child. None. They are trying to reanimate a corpse. If blood flow to the brain has stopped, what about decomposition? It's awful to think about, but can a ventilator really keep everything going?

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
16. Very different case
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 06:08 PM
Dec 2013

I lived in Morris County NJ then and will never forget that haunting story of a girl a bit younger than me. In that case, the hospital that she was taken to and the larger hospital she was transferred to would not let the family take her off the ventilator. They initially had wanted her on support, but when it seemed clear that there was no hope, with the support of their Catholic bishop, they filed to have live support removed. This was called "right to die". They ended up winning the right, but Karen Anne was able to breathe.

She was then moved to a nursing home where she lived many years, never regaining any cognitive abilities. (At that point, the family supported providing nourishment - seeing that as standard rather than extraordinary care.).

In that case, you had a woman who was comatose, but she did retain some lower level brain function which controlled breathing.

marble falls

(57,077 posts)
24. And that would be a reasonable statement. I agree, no reputable health care would keep ...
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:16 PM
Dec 2013

a corpse on a machine giving false hope to the survivors.

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
17. I'm glad they got a little more time to make absolutely sure there was no hope.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 06:10 PM
Dec 2013

But now it's time to let her go.

I can't fathom how hard this is for that poor family.

mconnors

(19 posts)
21. God Bless her Soul
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 06:25 PM
Dec 2013

If there is a silver liner in this is she might be able to help many other people that are waiting for organs. She might be able to save many lives.

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
23. The story on the local news (SF KRON 4) changed this morning.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:09 PM
Dec 2013

It was first reported that the surgery was a routine tonsillectomy/ adenoid procedure, but this morning a hospital spokesperson claimed it wasn't routine but actually a seriously risky operation.

Kinda made me go Hmmmmmmm because KRON has covered this every day, and the story was that the mother was told that some bleeding and blood clots were normal after such surgery, and the staff taught her how to help her daughter with the blood clots. When the bleeding wouldn't stop, the tragic events escalated.

I have a hard time believing that a mother would be put in charge of her daughter's care after a "seriously risky" operation. But that's just me wondering why the story changed this morning, of all days.

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
25. Any medical procedure carries risk. My sister coded during a colonoscopy
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:45 PM
Dec 2013

Her liver and kidneys were destroyed (she's now 18 months post-op from a double transplant and doing fine) but the bottom line remains that any surgery is risky.

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
29. Oh thanks you just scared the bejeesus out of me...
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 09:00 PM
Dec 2013

I am scheduled for my first....having only recently been put "under" for the first time for surgery on a broken wrist.

Now I am even more afraid! THANKS!

rocktivity

(44,576 posts)
26. I've seen reports that her overall problem was sleep apnea
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:45 PM
Dec 2013

(not uncommon when you're obese) and the operation consisted of other procedures along with the tonsillectomy. So yes, those who described it as a "routine" either got it wrong or thought it would make for a "better" story.

However, am I to believe that NOBODY at the hospital knows the difference between "some bleeding" and hemorrhaging so much that her heart ran out of blood to pump?


rocktivity

 

VanillaRhapsody

(21,115 posts)
30. tonsilectomy and adnoid removal are routine....done every day.
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 09:01 PM
Dec 2013

they don't always do the adnoid...but often do.

Mr.Bill

(24,282 posts)
28. Great. Now the wingnuts
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 08:54 PM
Dec 2013

will blame her death on the Death Panels and Obamacare. I'm not being flippant. If you saw some of the websites I see, you would know I am totally serious.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
35. I believe it too
Tue Dec 31, 2013, 01:16 AM
Dec 2013

It would be beneath them to use their poor girl's situation to try to make a political statement.

JNinWB

(250 posts)
32. I read this in the LAT:
Mon Dec 30, 2013, 09:19 PM
Dec 2013
There has been broad consensus for decades that “irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brainstem” constitutes one of two legal definitions of death. (The other is “irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions.”) A Harvard Medical School committee first put forth the standard in 1968, and in 1981 a presidential council proposed a uniform statute to be adopted nationwide.

It was endorsed by the American Medical Assn., the American Bar Assn. and the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws, which published it as the “Uniform Determination of Death Act.” California has such a statute. Another presidential council that took up the issue in 2008 reaffirmed that “whole brain death” is legal death.


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