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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:33 AM Jan 2014

Abe says Japan's pacifist constitution may be revised by 2020

Source: Agence France-Presse

Japan's nationalist Prime Minister Shinzo Abe has said the country's pacifist post-World War II constitution which limits its military to self-defence could be amended by 2020.

In a New Year comment published in the conservative daily Sankei Shimbun on Wednesday, Abe predicted the constitution "will have been revised" by 2020 when Tokyo hosts the Summer Olympics.

His comments come days after he enraged Asian neighbours and disappointed Washington by visiting a Tokyo shrine honouring the country's war dead, including World War II leaders, and been seen abroad as a symbol of Japan's militaristic past.

&quot By 2020), I think Japan will have completely restored its status and been making great contributions to peace and stability in the region and the world," he said.

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In a New Year message, Abe reaffirmed his resolve to change the pacifist constitution imposed by the US after Japan's defeat.

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Read more: http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Abe_says_Japans_pacifist_constitution_may_be_revised_by_2020_999.html

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Abe says Japan's pacifist constitution may be revised by 2020 (Original Post) bananas Jan 2014 OP
Abe is a neocon bananas Jan 2014 #1
"Anti-North Korea hardliner"? Bonobo Jan 2014 #2
i wouldn't call him a neocon bossy22 Jan 2014 #9
Peace and stability huh? Oakenshield Jan 2014 #3
A few comments about the Japanese Constitution melm00se Jan 2014 #4
What Is The Permanent Population Of The Disputed Islands? DallasNE Jan 2014 #8
sometimes its not about resources or people bossy22 Jan 2014 #10
This is not a huge surprise bossy22 Jan 2014 #5
Do you think there will be a Japan in 2020? BlueToTheBone Jan 2014 #6
Abe Is Assuming He Will Be Prime Minister That Long DallasNE Jan 2014 #7

bananas

(27,509 posts)
1. Abe is a neocon
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:34 AM
Jan 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism_in_Japan

Neoconservatism in Japan, also known as the neo-defense school, is a term used by Asian media only recently to refer to a hawkish new generation of Japanese conservatives.

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Notable neoconservatives often include:

Shinzo Abe, current Prime Minister of Japan, the successor of Junichiro Koizumi, an anti-North Korea hardliner

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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
2. "Anti-North Korea hardliner"?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:24 AM
Jan 2014

What would that be?

North Korea threatens to turn Japan into a "sea of fire" just about every year. How do you define "N. Korea hardliner" in that context?

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
9. i wouldn't call him a neocon
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:36 PM
Jan 2014

neocon is more the advancement of an ideology worldwide by military means. Abe and the rest of these new "neo-defense" politicians think that it's time japan to militarily push back against what they see as ever increasing threats. The thing, they aren't unjustified. China has been antagonizing japan for the last few years and has continued to do with with increasing force. He sees the only justified response is with hard power.

Japan's military is woefully inadequate for their country. The only reason they get by is because of their treaties with the U.S. We're cutting back so it only makes sense that they would feel the need fill the holes. Despite what many on this forum believe, U.S. military global draw downs will not necessarily lead to a more peaceful world.

Oakenshield

(614 posts)
3. Peace and stability huh?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 05:01 AM
Jan 2014

He has a funny way of showing he supports peace when he visits the graves of warcriminals. He ought to focus on dismantling the Nuclear Power plants.

melm00se

(4,986 posts)
4. A few comments about the Japanese Constitution
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 09:01 AM
Jan 2014

1) it was drafted under the auspices of the Allied occupational forces after the Japanese originated Constitution was rejected outright by MacArthur who then directed his staff to draft a completely new document.

2) Any objections/criticisms to the new Constitution by the Japanese were censored out by the Civil Censorship Detachment until after the the adoption of the Constitution. So, effectively, the Japanese Diet (and the people of Japan) were only receiving limited information on the new Constitution.

3) Like the American Constitution, amendments to the new Japanese Constitution were/are extremely difficult to enact. They require a super-majority in both houses of the Diet and then a public referendum (simple majority). As opposition parties controlled more than 1/3 of the Diet, reaching the super-majority in the Diet has always been an insurmountable obstacle to amendments.

These comments raise questions around Japanese self determination as well as Japanese self defense.

From the self-determination perspective, the current Constitution was given to them, discussion and critical analysis were significantly stifled by the Japanese Occupational Forces. So, in effect, it was forced upon them. Looking at this from a fairness perspective, imagine your Constitution and form of government enforced upon you by an occupying force. While there was Japanese influence on the document, anything that appeared to by critical of the new Constitution was immediately stifled. How would you react?

From a self defense perspective: at the close of WWII, there was, essentially, no single country that had the ability to project power beyond their borders. Japan was almost completely disarmed. The Chinese were in the midst of what amounted to a civil war. The other countries in the Pac Rim were, for the most part, mired in what today would be classified as 3rd world countries. That began to change as time marched on. The rise of Chinese power (both in Taiwan and Beijing) in the latter half of the 20th century has effectively altered the balance of power in the region. The current Constitution has severely limited Japan with the ability to defend itself. Not much has changed since the end of WWII, Japan, as an island nation, still relies (and will continue to rely upon) seaborne transport as its economic lifeline. This would allow any expansionist minded country to isolate, choke and starve the Japanese into submission.

Additionally, the Japanese continue to rely upon an outside military force to provide any significant measure of national security almost 70 years after the end of WWII. While there is a certain amount of fiscal benefit to that, the rebound effect should those security forces be withdrawn would be rather significant. Rising powers in the Pac Rim know this (see the Senkaku Islands dispute and and Kuril Islands dispute) and can press (almost freely) these types of encroachments.


DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
8. What Is The Permanent Population Of The Disputed Islands?
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 03:07 PM
Jan 2014

If the answer is zero then something else is in play here. Could they actually be staking a claim to the waters around those small islands. If so, it can only be for two reasons. Fishing rights or oil. If it was fishing rights then this dispute would have fired up a long time ago. That leaves oil, does it not?

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
10. sometimes its not about resources or people
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 04:13 PM
Jan 2014

it's about nationalism. That's why the dispute is happening now. 20 years ago, china didn't have the military capability to enforce a claim to the islands, now they do. I believe it's very similar to the falklands situation in the 80's.

Expect more of this out of the PRC. They need things to distract their population from internal problems. War is the oldest trick in the book.

bossy22

(3,547 posts)
5. This is not a huge surprise
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jan 2014

If you have followed Japanese Military developments over the last 5 years you can already see that these changes were just a matter of time. Recently they developed a large helicopter carrier that is the size of a small aircraft carrier. Rumors are that within the next few years they will start developing a true aircraft carrier. They are building missile destroyers with offensive capabilities and are rumored to have been looking at nuclear attack sub development.

DallasNE

(7,402 posts)
7. Abe Is Assuming He Will Be Prime Minister That Long
Thu Jan 2, 2014, 02:53 PM
Jan 2014

The state of the economy will determine that and his regressive economic policies make that far from a certain thing. Japan has had a stagnate economy for a generation and he seems to be doubling down as he has announced plans to increase the regressive sales tax in the spring. He wrongly thinks the decrease in demand that will usher in can be offset by an accommodative monetary policy as he doubles down on supply side economics -- the very issues that has gotten them in this generation long malaise. But in a global economy the measures Abe is taking will have a drag on the world economy and the Bank of Japan may not be independent enough to resist this onslaught by Abe. Abe is one to watch going forward, that is for sure.

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