The NSA refuses to deny spying on members of Congress
Source: Washington Post
"Has the NSA spied, or is the NSA currently spying, on members of Congress or other elected officials?"
That's the question Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) put to the National Security Agency's chief in a bluntly worded letter Friday. It seems, however, that the agency cannot categorically say no.
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"Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons," the spokesman said. "We are reviewing Sen. Sanderss letter now, and we will continue to work to ensure that all members of Congress, including Sen. Sanders, have information about NSAs mission, authorities, and programs to fully inform the discharge of their duties.
The answer is telling. We already know that the NSA collects records on virtually every phone call made in the United States. That program was renewed for the 36th time on Friday. If members of Congress are treated no differently than other Americans, then the NSA likely keeps tabs on every call they make as well.
Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2014/01/04/the-nsa-refuses-to-deny-spying-on-members-of-congress/
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The statement read: NSAs authorities to collect signals intelligence data include procedures that protect the privacy of US persons. Such protections are built into and cut across the entire process. Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all US persons. NSA is fully committed to transparency with Congress. Our interaction with Congress has been extensive both before and since the media disclosures began last June.
We are reviewing Senator Sanderss letter now, and we will continue to work to ensure that all members of Congress, including Senator Sanders, have information about NSAs mission, authorities, and programs to fully inform the discharge of their duties.
Soon after Sanders' letter was published, the director of national intelligence, James Clapper, announced that the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance (Fisa) Court, the body which exists to provide government oversight of NSA surveillance activities, had renewed the domestic phone records collection order for another 90 days.
On Saturday, the New York Times published a letter from Robert Litt, in which the general counsel for the Office of National Intelligence denied allegations that Clapper lied to Congress in March, when questioned about NSA domestic surveillance.
From Sen. Sanders Facebook page
https://www.facebook.com/senatorsanders
Must Read: NSA statement does not deny 'spying' on members of Congress - Spencer Ackerman and Martin Pengelly, The Guardian:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/04/nsa-spying-bernie-sanders-members-congress
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/04/clapper-lie-congress-nsa-national-intelligence-counsel
mike_c
(36,270 posts)...then presumably politicians, with an expressed active interest in partisan political struggles, should be among the first suspects.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)billhicks76
(5,082 posts)I believe you cannot open the mail of members of Congress even in special circumstances.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Or so the Pentagon, CIA and the Obama legal team tell US.
Don't be so naive, the NSA had Hoover as their role model.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)It isn't the National Security Administration, it is the National Spying Administration. That is their job, that is what they do.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)Corporations and government agencies spy on themselves for security reasons. No one is supposed to be able to spy on the President or members of Congress by law. If they do then there is ABSOLUTELY no democracy left and the coup of 911 is almost compete.
olddad56
(5,732 posts)all that is left to unfold is our awareness.
onwardsand upwards
(276 posts)... raining murder from the skies ... and ...
... it just sits there, WATCHING!
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)It is best to just keep on going.
cstanleytech
(26,248 posts)After all if you think about it the odds are that the NSA has at some time probably listened in on someone in congress or the senate since the agency was formed so they probably cannot say its never happened.
merrily
(45,251 posts)No one today is talking about NSA surveillance in 1952.
cstanleytech
(26,248 posts)specifically targeted and listened in on any senators and or members of congress telephone calls while they were in office within the past 20 years.
Kelvin Mace
(17,469 posts)and now we are busy burning all the records and threatening all the witnesses.
Again, why do people argue with me when I tell them we are a de facto police state?
My guess is they will keep weaseling, then deny it categorically, then Snowden will release the surveillance memos proving they did. Then certain factions here will call him a traitor and demand his arrest and imprisonment.
Titonwan
(785 posts)And then the next time it happens when they're caught red handed- they'll lie again, fake outrage and continue biznet az usual.
That's why I think the slow release* of Snowdens revelations is pure genius! Think about it- with a culture with the attention span of a mosquito- what better way to keep LIV Amerikans focused and forced to have a debate about this!
If they kill Ed tomorrow, there's no way to put the Genie back in the bottle now!
Pure Genius. Drip, drip, drip!
*Although the real reason for doling out these revelations, incrementally, is to carefully vet it so no one gets hurt. You can thank Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald for that.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Dumping a mountain of government scandal news on Friday night usually means it's passe by Monday.
But drip, drip, drip keeps it in the public eye. And, it seems the later drips often put the lie to the earlier excuses and cover stories.
Titonwan
(785 posts)I bet the vitriol in the intelligence community and Washington insiders is palpable. If I had a nickel for every bitter invective spit out right now over Snowden (and Greenwald, Poitras et alia)- I'd be a gazzillionaire! Ha ha.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)NSA was basically the group nobody talks about because they know everything. 15 yrs ago this would hardly be shocking let alone now.
Titonwan
(785 posts)Because if you do, you sound like you just got off a boat from East Berlin in the 50's.
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)They can't deny spying on Congress as they are spying on everyone.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Something the White House can be proud of...
merrily
(45,251 posts)Certainly the questions Harkin asked during hearings about mass surveillance by the millions was not a lucky guess.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)Of course the NSA has Congress under surveillance.
What I want to see is the specific warrants for each member spied on.
That would be interesting.
I'm curious what torturing of the Constitution they came up for Congress.
Kind of like the for the rest of us I suspect.
Public accountability is the only way for the Government to run.
klook
(12,152 posts)so why would members of Congress get worked up about it?
I mean, no Senators or Congressional reps could possibly have anything to hide, right? So -- like the rest of law-abiding citizens -- they should just submit to constant surveillance.
http://nsa.gov1.info/utah-data-center/
arcane1
(38,613 posts)It's not like he wrote it in Shakespearean English and they need to consult a dictionary
bananas
(27,509 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)cstanleytech
(26,248 posts)may or may not have done anything recently (I couldnt say for sure since I'm not privy to such information) in regards to recording and or spying on someone in congress the odds are they have done at some time in the past so they probably cant say "No, we never have done so." without being roasted over the coals for it even though it might have been 10 - 20 or even 30 years ago.
Purrfessor
(1,188 posts)before they received it!!
Solly Mack
(90,758 posts)Epiphany4z
(2,234 posts)GWB and the repubs always seemed a step ahead of Kerry. It just seemed the timing on some things was to good...I suppose we will never know.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)is a craven, boot-licking anti-democratic authoritarian toady?
sendero
(28,552 posts).... but there are plenty of them here.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)We can infer that they would, since they seem to approve of the President executing citizens as Enemies of the State without due process. If one accepts that, then what wouldn't one accept?
mitty14u2
(1,015 posts)Snowden document shows Canada set up spy posts for NSA
A top secret document retrieved by American whistleblower Edward Snowden reveals Canada has set up covert spying posts around the world and conducted espionage against trading partners at the request of the U.S. National Security Agency.
The leaked NSA document being reported exclusively by CBC News reveals Canada is involved with the huge American intelligence agency in clandestine surveillance activities in approximately 20 high-priority countries."
Much of the document contains hyper-sensitive operational details which CBC News has chosen not to make public.
Read a redacted version of the lastet Snowden NSA doc
New Snowden docs show U.S. spied during G20 in Toronto
NSA document raises questions about Canada in G8 spying
Read Snowden NSA document on G8, G20 surveillance
Inside Canada's top-secret billion-dollar spy palace
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/snowden-document-shows-canada-set-up-spy-posts-for-nsa-1.2456886
Bush went to Canada on his first trip after leaving office, It's a Go, Spy until your hearts content, Isnt that special.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)from the top to make sure we do not make real waves. I believe we do not have a true democracy or republic any longer. A virtual coup has taken place.
The way ants are spied on with a magnifying glass while going along their merry way, until they intrude on a nice picnic lunch. Then they are poisoned or stomped.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)neverforget
(9,436 posts)debunkthis
(99 posts)eom
christx30
(6,241 posts)breaking the laws against them.. "Oh, you won't say if you are spying on us? Then we'll have to assume you will and sanction you this year. I have the NSA's budget request for next year. How about we give you... $35 and a two for one coupon at Sizzler next year. How does that sound?"
backwoodsbob
(6,001 posts)the Sizzler?I haven't seen a Western Sizzler in many years...do they still exist?
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)RC
(25,592 posts)Another reason why the NSA is dangerous to democracy. And another reason why I question why anyone could possibly defend it. Unless they are being paid to do it.
debunkthis
(99 posts)What better way to ensure that politicians implement the desired policies than to dig up enough dirt on those in office to guarantee cooperation?
DeSwiss
(27,137 posts)It's not an answer per se, more ''answer-like.'' It's a bonus if you can do all that, and also sound slightly intimidating without trying to.
"Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons," the spokesman said. "We are reviewing Sen. Sanderss letter now, and we will continue to work to ensure that all members of Congress, including Sen. Sanders, have information about NSAs mission, authorities, and programs to fully inform the discharge of their duties.
K&R
KoKo
(84,711 posts)"Members of Congress have the same privacy protections as all U.S. persons,"
Since we know that US persons have no privacy due to Snowden revelations then why should "member of congress" expect any?
When we think about who might be calling members of congress (ordinary citizens along with those seeking special favors) who are being monitored it's only logical that the congress critter's phone conversations are being swept up in the data collection. But, as others have said here, it's likely the Reps have been under surveillance for a long while. We know Hoover's FBI was doing it, why would it have been stopped given the expanded powers of the NSA?
Swede Atlanta
(3,596 posts)of government have no greater rights to privacy than "ordinary" citizens, that is exactly the point.
Security is not something you get by giving up Constitutional protections against unlawful searches and seizures. Security is when you live in a society that uses reasonable means to thwart those who would do us ill but does so in a manner consistent with our heritage and Constitution.
But with respect to members of Congress, the Executive branch and the Judiciary, the fact we know NSA spies on everyone, including members of the government, is especially frightening.
The NSA is a subdivision of the Department of Defense that reports to a civilian Secretary of Defense that reports to the President. That means that the NSA reports to a politician. That means the NSA can easily be manipulated for political purposes.
So while it has always been the case that the political party that controls Congress and/or the Executive has the opportunity to exploit powers to achieve political ends, the NSA ratchets things up and makes the potential exploitation that much more likely.
bemildred
(90,061 posts)Must be spooky.