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alp227

(32,004 posts)
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 06:16 PM Jan 2014

New York State Is Set to Loosen Marijuana Laws

Source: NY Times

ALBANY — Joining a growing group of states that have loosened restrictions on marijuana, Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo of New York plans this week to announce an executive action that would allow limited use of the drug by those with serious illnesses, state officials say.

The turnabout by Mr. Cuomo, who had long resisted legalizing medical marijuana, comes as other states are taking increasingly liberal positions on it — most notably Colorado, where thousands have flocked to buy the drug for recreational use since it became legal on Jan. 1.

Mr. Cuomo’s plan will be far more restrictive than the laws in Colorado or California, where medical marijuana is available to people with conditions as mild as backaches. It will allow just 20 hospitals across the state to prescribe marijuana to patients with cancer, glaucoma or other diseases that meet standards to be set by the New York State Department of Health.

While Mr. Cuomo’s measure falls well short of full legalization, it nonetheless moves New York, long one of the nation’s most punitive states for those caught using or dealing drugs, a significant step closer to policies being embraced by marijuana advocates and lawmakers elsewhere.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/05/nyregion/new-york-state-is-set-to-loosen-marijuana-laws.html?pagewanted=all

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New York State Is Set to Loosen Marijuana Laws (Original Post) alp227 Jan 2014 OP
Good. k&r n/t Laelth Jan 2014 #1
Drip drip drip..... Warren Stupidity Jan 2014 #2
Yep, after the elections. 2014. :) tridim Jan 2014 #4
Click click click...... skamaria Jan 2014 #10
The follow up question.... Half-Century Man Jan 2014 #3
Its all temporary. Shoulders of Giants Jan 2014 #5
Certainly hope so! But then again, Karma13612 Jan 2014 #13
I honestly don't know much about gun politics Shoulders of Giants Jan 2014 #30
It's a step toward legalization. In_The_Wind Jan 2014 #6
Finally. Some sanity. Earth_First Jan 2014 #7
the east coast is having to play catch up RainDog Jan 2014 #8
It surprised me when bitchkitty Jan 2014 #9
too little Garion_55 Jan 2014 #11
If we didn't have a WORTHLESS Republican House RainDog Jan 2014 #14
I thought Lloyd Doggett (D) represented Austin in Congress. alp227 Jan 2014 #28
As long it's actually sick people bobclark86 Jan 2014 #12
Pot should simply be legal and regulated two ways RainDog Jan 2014 #15
I agree it should be regulated and taxed, or used medicinally under proper guidance of a doctor... bobclark86 Jan 2014 #18
federal level change is impractical RainDog Jan 2014 #21
Why Feral Child Jan 2014 #16
No... what I'm not in favor of is this: bobclark86 Jan 2014 #17
The very definition Feral Child Jan 2014 #23
When you use nullification to get there... bobclark86 Jan 2014 #24
Wishful thinking Feral Child Jan 2014 #25
Fine. Whatever. bobclark86 Jan 2014 #27
You have my promise. Feral Child Jan 2014 #29
My balls itch ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2014 #19
It's got to be federal for the madness to stop... bobclark86 Jan 2014 #20
Kicked and recommended for baby steps. Uncle Joe Jan 2014 #22
Andy, it's an RV , just like the Snowmobiles your promoting.. orpupilofnature57 Jan 2014 #26
 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
2. Drip drip drip.....
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jan 2014

At some point in the very near future the federal government is either going to have to reschedule pot or decriminalize possession and distribution. The current situation is becoming absurd.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
4. Yep, after the elections. 2014. :)
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 07:14 PM
Jan 2014

I'm imagining people in non-legal border states will start to call bullshit on this whole situation. Prohibition is over as far as I'm concerned.. no matter where you live.

Big old chunks of concrete are starting to fall from the dam!

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
3. The follow up question....
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 06:48 PM
Jan 2014

will New York go back and restructure the sentences of serving inmates to reflect the new laws. Will Cuomo undo at least some of the damage of the miserable failure that is the war on drugs?

5. Its all temporary.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 07:20 PM
Jan 2014

Polls are now showing the majority favors marijuana legalization, and is growing. Support for marijuana legalization will be above 60% soon. Pretty soon, there will be no more "loosening of marijuana laws." Marijuana will just simply be legal soon nationwide.

Karma13612

(4,538 posts)
13. Certainly hope so! But then again,
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 11:48 PM
Jan 2014

We thought we would get improvement in gun laws, and that was a huge disappointment, depending on your opinon of the issue!

30. I honestly don't know much about gun politics
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 07:15 PM
Jan 2014

I have a hard time understanding why someone would need an AK-47 though. I guess I can say at least that much.

Earth_First

(14,910 posts)
7. Finally. Some sanity.
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 07:43 PM
Jan 2014

I know several RN's in the Hospice care who have advocated for this position for their entire careers.

Kudos.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
8. the east coast is having to play catch up
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 08:01 PM
Jan 2014

they made far more restrictive medical mj laws, for fewer issues, Congress put off funding DC's med mj vote for a decade... and those eastern states are now going to try to jump on the bandwagon now that they've seen the numbers for Colorado.

but, little by little, the dominoes fall.

the end of mj prohibition will be this decade's fall of the berlin wall - and it will be around the world.

bitchkitty

(7,349 posts)
9. It surprised me when
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 08:54 PM
Jan 2014

I learned, years ago, that New York was not a medical marijuana state. Good for them!

Garion_55

(1,915 posts)
11. too little
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 09:43 PM
Jan 2014

too late for many. love the progress, hate that its going so slow. people are suffering out there right now today who need help. dont the politicians get it or give a fuck?

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
14. If we didn't have a WORTHLESS Republican House
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:31 AM
Jan 2014

that has refused, time after time, to bring issues related to this for a vote, we would have had much more progress than we do.

When Frank and Paul entered a bill during the last Congress, Lamar Smith, (R-TX) made sure it died in his office (head of the judiciary committee.) oh, and he's now on the science committee and he's a scum sucking creep in the pocket of the oil industry, so expect him to help make the world worse in terms of global climate change, too. Sadly, he's the rep for Austin, but the Republicans gerrymandered districts so eve Austin has a reptile republican representative, and Austin is a liberal city.

http://beta.congress.gov/bill/113th/house-bill/499

There were 16 sponsors for Jared Polis' (D-CO) bill- HR499 - to End marijuana prohibition for 2013. Never made it to a roll call. The REPUBLICAN 2013 Congress, btw, was considered the WORST EVER by polls of the American people. funny how people are sick of republican bullshit posturing and scientific stupidity - about cannabis, evolution, global climate change - the whole ball of dung.

http://blog.norml.org/2013/02/05/everything-you-wanted-to-know-about-the-new-federal-marijuana-legalization-measures/

Representative Polis’ legislation, The Ending Marijuana Prohibition Act of 2013, would remove marijuana from the Controlled Substances Act, transfer the Drug Enforcement Administration’s authority to regulate marijuana to a newly renamed Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Marijuana and Firearms, require commercial marijuana producers to purchase a permit, and ensure federal law distinguishes between individuals who grow marijuana for personal use and those involved in commercial sale and distribution.

Speaking on the bill, Rep. Polis stated, “This legislation doesn’t force any state to legalize marijuana, but Colorado and the 18 other jurisdictions that have chosen to allow marijuana for medical or recreational use deserve the certainty of knowing that federal agents won’t raid state-legal businesses. Congress should simply allow states to regulate marijuana as they see fit and stop wasting federal tax dollars on the failed drug war.”

Representative Blumenauer’s legislation is aimed at creating a federal tax structure which would allow for the federal government to collect excise taxes on marijuana sales and businesses in states that have legalized its use. The Marijuana Tax Equity Act, would impose an excise tax on the first sale of marijuana, from the producer to the next stage of production, usually the processor. These regulations are similar to those that now exist for alcohol and tobacco. The bill will also require the IRS to produce a study of the industry after two years, and every five years after that, and to issue recommendations to Congress to continue improving the administration of the tax.

“We are in the process of a dramatic shift in the marijuana policy landscape,” said Rep. Blumenauer. “Public attitude, state law, and established practices are all creating irreconcilable difficulties for public officials at every level of government. We want the federal government to be a responsible partner with the rest of the universe of marijuana interests while we address what federal policy should be regarding drug taxation, classification, and legality.”


Holder could call for rescheduling, but Obama has already said he wants Congress to do its job. Good luck with that. Or maybe some republicans will listen to reason now that they see dollar $ign$ when compassion wasn't enough for their sorry souls.

Uruguay has legalized marijuana for their entire nation and, at this time, various nations are fighting back against prohibitionists at the UN as they create their 10 year drug policy statement - but Argentina, too, is looking at legalization.

This year, a majority of Americans indicated they wanted legal recreational marijuana. BUT for MORE THAN A DECADE, approx. 70% of Americans have supported legal medical mj.

So, now here are the Republicans, with their pants around their ankles trying to pretend they weren't jerking off to some new law to stick wands up women's patooties while the rest of the world tells them to grow up.

Here's an old list of just a few who want to use science-based evidence, not racist-based laws, regarding cannabis. This list has grown since then - http://www.democraticunderground.com/117052

alp227

(32,004 posts)
28. I thought Lloyd Doggett (D) represented Austin in Congress.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:18 PM
Jan 2014

Smith represents parts of austin, actually, because hours district is gerrymandered!

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
12. As long it's actually sick people
Sat Jan 4, 2014, 10:58 PM
Jan 2014

and not "my balls itch" prescriptions, I'm in favor(ish... I'll wait for the next presidential administration before I celebrate, as somebody more to the right would drop the federal banhammer. That and my aversion to "states rights" nullification crap). If you say "medical," it better be an actual medical reason, not some bullshit like in many other "medical" pot states.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
15. Pot should simply be legal and regulated two ways
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 12:36 AM
Jan 2014

It should be regulated as a palliative for medicine, and not taxed.

and it should be available for adults in the same way that alcohol is available.

There's no reason adults shouldn't be able to use cannabis recreationally, in the same way they use alcohol. It's a safer product, and getting it into stores rather then in the high schools where it's easily available would help to regulate its use. Just like alcohol, some teens will try it, of course. But no one should go to jail for using or selling cannabis to adults.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
18. I agree it should be regulated and taxed, or used medicinally under proper guidance of a doctor...
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:41 PM
Jan 2014

but growing and using cannabis is still illegal under federal law. That's a very good reason why states should not make it legal.

RainDog

(28,784 posts)
21. federal level change is impractical
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 05:49 PM
Jan 2014

but I think you see, now, once people have had propaganda debunked, federal level pols will concede that their long war on drugs is a failure.

one Supreme Court Justice called states "laboratories of democracies." States can make laws and see how this works - and this is what has happened.

If federal prohibition were based on anything other than prejudice, political enemies lists of Nixon, and racism, I might care about the issue of state v federal. but they're not.

we've all had plenty of time to see how little reality matters when money is to be made in politics.

those states who have hitched their wagons to for-profit prisons will hopefully soon see the error of their ways as well.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
17. No... what I'm not in favor of is this:
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:38 PM
Jan 2014

1) If you say "medicinal," it better be for a medical reason, not the bullshit in other places where basically anyone can get a MM card. It's the same problem I have with doctors who support their entire practices by writing Oxy prescriptions for bullshit reasons.

oh, and this:

2) State nullification of federal law is unconstitutional. The SCOTUS ruled on that in Cooper v. Aaron in 1958, and my great, great, great grandfather Henry didn't shoot his own countrymen 150 1/2 years ago on Cemetery Ridge so states could say "Fuck off, you're laws are stupid!"

When the DEA busts down the doors at Sloan-Kettering or Roswell Park, I'm going to be pissed. Not surprised, but definitely pissed off.

You want it legalized? Change the federal law. Write your congressmen, hold rallies, lobby for it. Nullifying federal law is the way to get people shot (whether it's the shopkeeper and his dog in a no-knock raid, or something worse).

Feral Child

(2,086 posts)
23. The very definition
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 07:44 AM
Jan 2014

of false equivalency.

You don't see any difference between cessation over slavery and sidestepping cannabis prohibition?

This does not promise to be a meaningful discussion. I'm going to suggest Quell shampoo for those irksome nits and leave you to stew over Old Henry's quandary.

Because pot-smokers and slavers are clearly moral bed-fellows...

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
24. When you use nullification to get there...
Mon Jan 6, 2014, 12:39 PM
Jan 2014

It's the same mechanism.

And until you change the federal law, dispensaries and stores are going to get raided by the DEA. You know, SWAT teams, no-knocks and shooting anything that moves.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
27. Fine. Whatever.
Tue Jan 7, 2014, 01:01 PM
Jan 2014

When the feds kick in your door on a no-knock raid and shoot your dog, don't come crying to me.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,315 posts)
19. My balls itch ...
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:48 PM
Jan 2014

... or they don't.

Either way, I'm all for the legalization. State-by-state, Federal big bang, any version will do. There's no reason to incarcerate people for getting high, and no reason to keep pumping profits into the cartels.

Medical use is fine. So is recreational use.

bobclark86

(1,415 posts)
20. It's got to be federal for the madness to stop...
Sun Jan 5, 2014, 02:52 PM
Jan 2014

That's all there is to it. It HAS to be federal. It also needs to drop two or three schedules, too (really, do they honestly expect anyone with half a brain to believe it's more dangerous and addictive than cocaine and meth? ).

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