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magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 06:05 PM Jan 2014

Jahi McMath case used as Consumer Watchdog fundraising tool

Source: SFGate

The case of Jahi McMath, the 13-year-old girl who was declared brain-dead after a tonsillectomy at Children's Hospital Oakland, is now the centerpiece of a political fundraising effort aimed at lifting California's $250,000 cap for pain and suffering awards in medical malpractice cases.

Consumer Watchdog, a Southern California nonprofit that has teamed up with the state's trial lawyers on a proposed November ballot initiative to lift the limit, just sent out a mailer to supporters saying, "Hospitals like Children's actually have an incentive to let children like Jahi die.

"If children who are victims of medical negligence live, hospitals are on the hook for medical bills for life, which could be millions," the letter says.

The letter from Consumer Watchdog President Jamie Court asks for "whatever tax-deductible contribution you can make" to help with its "patient safety work" and to qualify the initiative to raise the malpractice limit.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/Jahi-McMath-case-used-as-Consumer-Watchdog-5123174.php



If the ventilator had been removed, then an autopsy could have shown the cause of death. The longer she's been on the rventilator, the more any physical evidence has deteriorated and disappeared completely. How can they prove medical malpractice now?

It was not in "the hospital's best interest" to remove the ventilator. It was in everybody's best interest. She is not now and never was going to recover. Her parents have taken on potentially huge expenses while being fed false hope. And they'll be left with their claims against the hospital's logs of what care was given, along with what instructions were given, and any evidence they may or may not have of instructions not being followed.
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Jahi McMath case used as Consumer Watchdog fundraising tool (Original Post) magical thyme Jan 2014 OP
What a horrid thing to say about the Doctors and Nurses that worked on her. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #1
the family's attorney used to be the president of this group magical thyme Jan 2014 #3
Ah, now this whole thing makes sense davidpdx Jan 2014 #6
A lot of ambulance chasing lawyers have been against MICRA cosmicone Jan 2014 #2
AMA talking points OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #5
Not true cosmicone Jan 2014 #9
The cap was set in 1975. A simple inflation adjustment would make it over slightly > 1 million now. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #10
Actual damages are paid according to proof. cosmicone Jan 2014 #11
Why, yes. Yes it does. Gormy Cuss Jan 2014 #13
Nope. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #12
Trial lawyer talking points. n/t cosmicone Jan 2014 #14
Id rather be protected by a lawyer than abused by a doctor. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #15
People are entitled to live in a fool's paradise cosmicone Jan 2014 #16
Doctors are "policed vigorously"? OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #17
I suspect there is a personal vendetta with doctors here cosmicone Jan 2014 #18
Nope, no personal vendetta. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #19
Enjoy cosmicone Jan 2014 #20
I will. OrwellwasRight Jan 2014 #21
So much for death with dignity. Any shread of that is now completely gone. Nanjing to Seoul Jan 2014 #4
When money is the goal, all dignity goes out the window davidpdx Jan 2014 #7
he's already making statements suggesting that the condition deteriorated magical thyme Jan 2014 #8

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
1. What a horrid thing to say about the Doctors and Nurses that worked on her.
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jan 2014

Wasn't this case already sad enough, without trying to maliciously spin blame against the hospital? To invent 'motive' that doesn't even make sense?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
3. the family's attorney used to be the president of this group
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jan 2014

Personally, I think it is utterly contemptuous of the people who put themselves through grueling training and run their asses off every day trying to save people's lives.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
6. Ah, now this whole thing makes sense
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:39 AM
Jan 2014

The entire thing was a set up from the beginning. They used the family and the girls case for publicity for the ballot measure. Very very sick!

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
2. A lot of ambulance chasing lawyers have been against MICRA
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 06:15 PM
Jan 2014

and its cap of $250K on pain and suffering. We have all benefited from that law.

If that cap were to be removed, it may become impossible for doctors to get malpractice insurance. If they do get it, the costs will be astronomical and will be passed on to consumers.

What is even worse is that doctors would practice "defensive medicine" to cover their asses and order unnecessary tests and/or admit people to the hospital for minor things.

California doctors already pay about $30K on average per year for malpractice insurance with some specialties like OB/GYN and Orthopedics paying as much as $120K a year.

I think malpractice insurance should be reformed and be much like car rental insurance. Patients choose to have it or not at the time of admission/office visit and pay for it if they choose to have it.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
5. AMA talking points
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:25 AM
Jan 2014

Fact is, CA and TX both have severe restrictions on med mal cases, and neither has reduced med mal insurance rates. Insurance companies jack rates no matter what. That is what the evidence shows.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
9. Not true
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 10:28 AM
Jan 2014

California malpractice insurance rates have been held down substantially as compared to other states. They are three times as much in Florida and NY for example.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
10. The cap was set in 1975. A simple inflation adjustment would make it over slightly > 1 million now.
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 04:44 PM
Jan 2014

Surely that's not too much of an imposition.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
11. Actual damages are paid according to proof.
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 04:49 PM
Jan 2014

Does the value of pain and suffering go up with time?

Was the pain of losing a family member or having back pain only $1 back in 1802?

Remember that if someone cannot work due to pain, loss of wages are paid at full actuarial value.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
13. Why, yes. Yes it does.
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 10:44 PM
Jan 2014

If 250K was considered a reasonable limit nearly 40 years ago, then 1M is a reasonable limit now. Since such lawsuits are done on contigency, a person with potential for low actual damages may not be worth the effort for the attorney given that ridiculously low cap on pain and suffering.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
12. Nope.
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 09:53 PM
Jan 2014

They only started stabilizing after Prop. 103 created an insurance commissioner and gave him or her the right to regulate insurance rates--not after MICRA. Know your topic.

http://www.consumerwatchdog.org/five-dangerous-myths-about-californias-medical-malpractice-restrictions

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
15. Id rather be protected by a lawyer than abused by a doctor.
Tue Jan 14, 2014, 09:30 PM
Jan 2014

Take away the penalties for negligence and see how much preventable errors rise.

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
16. People are entitled to live in a fool's paradise
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 01:40 AM
Jan 2014

How many ambulance chaser commercials do you see on TV as opposed to doctors advertising?

The ambulance chasers are just out looking for frivolous lawsuits to make a buck.

The doctors on the other hand are policed vigorously by the medical staff, mortality and morbidity committees and the medical boards.

Who will save your life in an emergency if there is a trial lawyer out to second guess every good-faith decision? Will the trial lawyer come and do CPR? Provide advanced life support? Do trauma surgery?

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
17. Doctors are "policed vigorously"?
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 02:11 AM
Jan 2014

Hardly. Just like the blue line with cops, doctors keep their mouths shut when they know other doctors were negligent, because they expect the same protection when they screw up. why do you think there are only a handful of doctors in the country that will testify against other doctors? "cause their all perfect? Hardly.

Good faith decision my ass. It's proven that they prescribe MRIs and CT scans when x-rays will do just because they have the machines in the ofice and insurance companies reimburse higher rates for those procedures. Likewise with unnecessary back surgeries, which have been proven not to work. and giving hip replacements to 95 year olds with terminal cancer. Medicare and Medicaid pay billions a year on overpayments for unneeded and sometimes even undelivered treatments. But yes, by all means, let's remove the only incentive that doctors have not to screw up. Let's absolve them from any responsibility, ever.

Third leading cause of death in America?
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2013/09/20/224507654/how-many-die-from-medical-mistakes-in-u-s-hospitals

Unnecessary MRIs
http://www.news-medical.net/news/20130917/Medical-imaging-self-referral-leads-to-unnecessary-imaging-examinations.aspx
http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-12-966

Fraud
http://www.businessweek.com/ap/2014-01-16/report-health-care-fraud-cases-hit-high-last-year

Wrong site surgery (not getting better, but totally preventable) (by the way, the second article says the FL Medical board didn't take licenses away from docs with 50 or more malpractice suits -- so much for vigorous policing)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-pain-of-wrong-site-surgery/2011/06/07/AGK3uLdH_story.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1995/09/17/us/doctor-who-cut-off-wrong-leg-is-defended-by-colleagues.html?pagewanted=2&src=pm

Here's a kicker: doctors refuse to was their fucking hands!
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/09/science/09conv.html?hpw&_r=0

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
18. I suspect there is a personal vendetta with doctors here
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:33 AM
Jan 2014

I doubt anyone could change your mind.

I stand by my previous post.

Good bye.

OrwellwasRight

(5,170 posts)
19. Nope, no personal vendetta.
Sat Jan 18, 2014, 08:50 PM
Jan 2014

Just can't stand sanctimony, lack of evidence, failure to address the prevalence of avoidable medical mistakes, and the failure of the medical community to take responsibility for its own screw-ups.

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
4. So much for death with dignity. Any shread of that is now completely gone.
Wed Jan 8, 2014, 07:27 PM
Jan 2014

When will this tragic and sad story end and that poor girl just be allowed to go?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
7. When money is the goal, all dignity goes out the window
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 02:41 AM
Jan 2014

I'm guessing this lawyer said something along the lines of "I'll represent you for free now and then we'll sue the hell out of the hospital and you can pay me my percentage then".

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
8. he's already making statements suggesting that the condition deteriorated
Thu Jan 9, 2014, 09:10 AM
Jan 2014

due to the hospital not inserting a feeding tube and only giving her "sugar water," and implying that she's improving now.

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