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warrant46

(2,205 posts)
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:21 PM Jan 2014

Supreme Court justices question size of buffer zones around Mass. abortion clinics

Source: Washington Post

Justice Antonin Scalia said lawyers for Massachusetts were distorting the debate.

“I object to you calling these people protesters,” Scalia told Miller, saying it was a case about counseling and “comforting” women, not protesting abortion.

Read more: http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/supreme-court-justices-question-size-of-buffer-zones-around-mass-abortion-clinics/2014/01/15/834f21c4-7e02-11e3-95c6-0a7aa80874bc_story.html



Scalia Catholic Bag Man
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Oh! Shut the fuck up! MsPithy Jan 2014 #1
The can keep people 6 Blocks from the repuke convention in a pen warrant46 Jan 2014 #4
The 30 foot rule was hampering their normal style of counseling - NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #12
Yeah, I'd like to do a little "counseling and comforting" with Scalia mountain grammy Jan 2014 #2
I'd like to do a lot worse, but I fear it might be illegal. nt valerief Jan 2014 #6
hey, tony, *****I**** object to YOU lying about what these people are doing. they are harassing, niyad Jan 2014 #3
The beginning of all freedom Justice Scalia The Wizard Jan 2014 #15
Wonder if I can "comfort" o' Scalia before he starts a hard day of work Dorn Jan 2014 #5
He should have said in reply "given their tendency to murder, bomb and stalk clinic staff... NutmegYankee Jan 2014 #7
OH! THIS! YES! YES! YES! MsPithy Jan 2014 #8
Fat Tony is the bag man Dawson Leery Jan 2014 #9
Tony can't get over that Obama is President and he is not. He also can't get over women are kelliekat44 Jan 2014 #10
wait.. G_j Jan 2014 #11
You've nailed the nut of the issue -- consent. King_Klonopin Jan 2014 #29
"muderer! don't kill your baby!" is comforting and counseling? Pshaw. uppityperson Jan 2014 #13
Can you imagine what would happen if this went on outside a walmart? Merlot Jan 2014 #14
My point exactly the local cops would split some skulls for the Walton Family warrant46 Jan 2014 #16
Just Out Of Curiousity........ left on green only Jan 2014 #17
The catholic side warrant46 Jan 2014 #18
The Red Mass warrant46 Jan 2014 #24
un-fucking believable. One of his duck hunting buddies should shoot him through his evil heart. mountain grammy Jan 2014 #27
Puh-leeze!!! blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #19
So if I want to give him some counseling. . . Stargleamer Jan 2014 #20
I object to that worthless pile of feces calling himself a judge SwankyXomb Jan 2014 #21
Fucking pig is the nicest thing I can say about the guy. 47of74 Jan 2014 #22
it is not nice to insult the porcine ones niyad Jan 2014 #23
I remember the zone on Comm Ave was just long enough to put protestors on the tracks Recursion Jan 2014 #25
I honestly can't see how they are going to overturn this davidpdx Jan 2014 #26
I used to drive by theses assholes almost every day Marrah_G Jan 2014 #28
+1 Fearless Jan 2014 #31
Bully wants bullies to be able to bully. Surprised? Fearless Jan 2014 #30
It's still a matter of speech Scalia. joshcryer Jan 2014 #32

MsPithy

(809 posts)
1. Oh! Shut the fuck up!
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:29 PM
Jan 2014

If the religious zealots are really "counseling and comforting," women, why do they need to be kept 30 feet away?

Tony's theory of jurisprudence is, "Shit I think."

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
4. The can keep people 6 Blocks from the repuke convention in a pen
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:37 PM
Jan 2014

But allow the RCC Thug Posse, the Shield of Roses, to shove jars containing aborted fetuses in the faces of Women looking for health information from seeing a doctor.

Scalia is the RCCs water carrier and Bag Man all in one.

So is Kagan on this issue

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
12. The 30 foot rule was hampering their normal style of counseling -
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:57 PM
Jan 2014

Spitting on women. I hate those fundie shitheads!

mountain grammy

(26,614 posts)
2. Yeah, I'd like to do a little "counseling and comforting" with Scalia
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:32 PM
Jan 2014

like get in his face and scream "how can you live with yourself, you soulless piece of shit." The man is the devil.

niyad

(113,232 posts)
3. hey, tony, *****I**** object to YOU lying about what these people are doing. they are harassing,
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:36 PM
Jan 2014

intimidating, and, in some cases, actually threatening these women.

and, for the record, what about the RIGHT of the women to peacefully obtain a LEGAL medical procedure???? what about THEIR right to free speech, and freedom of assembly???

tony is nothing but a shill for an outdated, extreme woman-hating organization, which he demonstrates every single time he opens his mouth.

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
15. The beginning of all freedom Justice Scalia
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 09:17 PM
Jan 2014

“The right to be left alone—the most comprehensive of rights, and the right most valued by a free people.”—Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, Olmstead v. U.S., 277 U.S. 438 (1928)

Dorn

(523 posts)
5. Wonder if I can "comfort" o' Scalia before he starts a hard day of work
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:37 PM
Jan 2014

I imagine not -- so like smut, "comforting" is in the eye of the beholder.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
7. He should have said in reply "given their tendency to murder, bomb and stalk clinic staff...
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:39 PM
Jan 2014

You should be happy I don't call them terrorists."

MsPithy

(809 posts)
8. OH! THIS! YES! YES! YES!
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:47 PM
Jan 2014

NutmegYankee wins the internets for at least a week!

I actually shouted my cheers! Scared the dogs off the couch, again.

 

kelliekat44

(7,759 posts)
10. Tony can't get over that Obama is President and he is not. He also can't get over women are
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:56 PM
Jan 2014

human and he is not.

G_j

(40,366 posts)
11. wait..
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 08:56 PM
Jan 2014

don't people usually get counselling as a matter of their own volition?
Without consent, I think it could be also called harassment.

King_Klonopin

(1,306 posts)
29. You've nailed the nut of the issue -- consent.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:05 AM
Jan 2014

To begin with: if one is berating, shaming, and harassing people -- total strangers he/she knows nothing about --
how does that even come close to meeting Webster's definition of "Counseling" ? Standing on a public sidewalk
does not give one license to intrude into another person's PRIVATE affairs.

Secondly, to characterize what these political protesters/terrorists are doing (and that is what they are) as
"helpful", in any way, is shamefully dishonest. Scalia knows this is an intellectual insult, but he gets off on it.

But mostly, to your point: Scaley can call it whatever he wants -- he can call it the Hokey Pokey, for all I care --
but, if this "discourse" is not mutually entered into with the consent of both parties, how the fuck can that be
construed in any way as "counseling", or even a conversation ? It causes more harm than good. For example,
if a recovering alcoholic stood outside a barroom and shouted at people going in that they were all irresponsible,
drunken bums, believing his intentions were good, how would this be received? Would that behavior be considered
"counseling" or harassment (or crazy)?

Scalia is an offensive, right-wing, authoritarian, fascist bully of the biggest proportions. His signature trademark
is offering absurd, logically-twisted arguments that justify the oppressive ideology of his and his fellow bully cohorts.
In this case, he is simply trying to manufacture legal protection for those who are engaging in public harassment --
the type of behavior that should elicit anger... and a restraining order. Scaley is an affront to the term "Justice".

To prove my point, I think that I will stand in front of my dentist's office and hound the people who come to have
a tooth filled or pulled. I can accuse them of being selfish and irresponsible because they obviously don't brush their
teeth properly, like I do ... and I'll say I'm offering "dental counseling" -- just before the police haul me away for
trespassing and creating a disturbance.






Merlot

(9,696 posts)
14. Can you imagine what would happen if this went on outside a walmart?
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 09:06 PM
Jan 2014

Say that a bunch of protesters decided walmart doesn't treat it's employees fairly, and decided to counsel the walmart customers on the issues around walmart/employee relations. The protesters would immediately be arrested.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
24. The Red Mass
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:10 PM
Jan 2014

GREEN BAY - A U.S. Supreme Court Justice was in Green Bay Thursday night. Justice Antonin Scalia has served on the nation's highest court for 24 years. Thursday, he made a special appearance, as a new lawyer's group made its debut. Justice Scalia has spoken at Marquette University in the past, but rarely, if ever, makes a public trip to our area. Catholic Mass at St. Francis Xavier Cathedral is a fairly common occurrence. However Thursday night's Mass, while traditional in many ways, also hosted a few guests of honor. Among them, ranking members of the Catholic Church in Wisconsin, and U.S. Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia.

"I would say he's a lawyer at the top of his game," said Deacon Paul Umentum of the Green Bay Catholic Diocese. Umentum is also president of the St. Thomas More Society.

We invited him over a year ago and we were surprised to have him say yes, but he did and it is a big deal," said Umentum.

Bishop David Ricken of the Diocese of Green Bay went to Rome in 2005, where Justice Scalia's son was in seminary there. That is how Ricken came to know Scalia, and organizers tell us that personal relationship played a role in his appearance Thursday night. Before the Mass, Scalia spent some of the day duck hunting.

Stargleamer

(1,989 posts)
20. So if I want to give him some counseling. . .
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 10:23 PM
Jan 2014

how far would I get if I wanted to give Scalia some counseling on when it's proper to recuse himself and when it isn't? [cf. Bush vs. Gore]. How close could I get to him before Supreme Court Security Guards were to haul me away? Why is "speaking to" someone a fundamental right when it's someone seeking an abortion, but not a fundamental right when it's a Supreme Court Justice?

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
26. I honestly can't see how they are going to overturn this
Wed Jan 15, 2014, 11:19 PM
Jan 2014

People have the right to free speech, but people also have the right not to be harassed or bullied. Putting the buffer in place was the only thing possible to assure both could happen at the same time. If they overturn it and do away with the buffer there is nothing from stopping the protesters from banging on windows and doors.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
28. I used to drive by theses assholes almost every day
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 02:39 AM
Jan 2014

Attleboro, MA.

Big nasty bloody propaganda signs.

I gave them all the finger every time.

Fuck them.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
32. It's still a matter of speech Scalia.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:33 AM
Jan 2014

Consolers or comforters aren't using that ability without using the 1st amendment. If you voted in favor of free speech zones you can give women 7-10 seconds of fucking privacy.

edit: Scalia on free speech zones, the pig: http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/20466-scotus-prefers-free-speech-for-corporations-not-people#13898649826731&action=collapse_widget&id=2867646

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