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Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 01:34 PM Jan 2014

Obama to announce changes to NSA surveillance on Jan. 17 (anniversary of Eisenhower's MIC speech)

Source: Washington Post

President Obama will deliver his highly anticipated speech on reforms to the National Security Agency on Jan. 17, White House press secretary Jay Carney said Friday.

Carney did not elaborate on what the president will say when he outlines his vision for changes to the NSA’s vast surveillance activities. The address comes in the wake of disclosures from documents stolen by former government contractor Edward Snowden.

Obama and his aides have been focused behind the scenes this week on finishing a review of the spy programs and preparing for the president’s address to the nation. Privacy and civil liberties activists, along with top executives of technology company, are calling on the president to adopt sweeping reforms to curb the NSA’s collection of phone call metadata and personal information of online users...


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[font size="5" face="ariel" color="darkred"]Obama's NSA speech: 53 years after Ike's warning[/font]

http://www.usatoday.com/story/theoval/2014/01/16/obama-eisenhower-nsa-surveillance-military-industrial-complex/4508667/

USA Today

President Obama picked an interesting date on which to give his speech about government surveillance powers...

Friday -- Jan. 17 -- will also mark the 53rd anniversary of President Dwight Eisenhower's famous warning about the growing power of "the military-industrial complex."

Ike's 1961 speech, his farewell address after two terms in the White House, has echoed over most subsequent disputes over American power: Vietnam, Watergate, revelations of assassination plots and overthrows of other governments, Iran-Contra, the first Gulf War, the response to 9/11, the second Iraq war -- and disclosures over National Security Agency surveillance policies.

Obama gives a speech Friday on possible changes to NSA surveillance rules.

More than 50 years ago, Eisenhower -- who had led Allied forces to victory in Europe during World War II -- cited the United States' rise as a world power, including a massive standing army and thriving weapons businesses:


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"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

"We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
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Obama to announce changes to NSA surveillance on Jan. 17 (anniversary of Eisenhower's MIC speech) (Original Post) Indi Guy Jan 2014 OP
Hope! blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #1
changes or more codification? frylock Jan 2014 #2
Meh, please don't hold up eisenhower as some sort of paragon of reason, okay? Javaman Jan 2014 #3
RFK helped build the Vietnam war. WilliamPitt Jan 2014 #4
Eisenhower and Obama may soon have one thing in common Ash_F Jan 2014 #5
Nowhere did I hold Ike up as some kind of populist hero. This understood,... Indi Guy Jan 2014 #6
As I said in my post, it was ike trying to cleanse his soul. Javaman Jan 2014 #7
And as I stated earlier,... Indi Guy Jan 2014 #8
... Javaman Jan 2014 #10
"highly-anticipated speech" Enrique Jan 2014 #9

Javaman

(62,504 posts)
3. Meh, please don't hold up eisenhower as some sort of paragon of reason, okay?
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:19 PM
Jan 2014

he single handedly help build the MIC.

an ex-general who made his stock and trade via the military now comes off as the guy who condemns the very people who made him president. That is rich.

Do you honestly think that good ol' "honest eisenhower" who along with the dulles brothers over threw several nations really was warning us? or was he trying his best to bleach his soul? I pick the latter. He ordered the Gary Powers flight mere weeks before meeting Khrushchev.

funny how a guy who lived on a military pension and a presidential salary died a millionaire.

Yeah, he was a "good investor".

he was just another repuke, whom, like most of them, are broken clocks.

 

WilliamPitt

(58,179 posts)
4. RFK helped build the Vietnam war.
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 04:41 PM
Jan 2014

And then came out against it when he saw the reality of the monster he helped to create.

I suspect the same is true for Ike and the military-industrial complex.

Just sayin'.

(and sorry for your loss, JM )

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
6. Nowhere did I hold Ike up as some kind of populist hero. This understood,...
Thu Jan 16, 2014, 05:20 PM
Jan 2014

...regardless of Eisenhowar's motivation for coming forward or his failings as president, his words are as prescient now as ever, an only a fool would not take heed:

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"This conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence -- economic, political, even spiritual -- is felt in every city, every state house, every office of the federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources and livelihood are all involved; so is the very structure of our society.

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

"We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
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Javaman

(62,504 posts)
7. As I said in my post, it was ike trying to cleanse his soul.
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 12:35 AM
Jan 2014

very much too little and waaaaaay to late.

he fucked us and he knew it.

so fuck ike and his "prophetic words" anyone paying the very least amount of attention knew what was happening and didn't need one of the perpetrators to point it out.

Indi Guy

(3,992 posts)
8. And as I stated earlier,...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 04:51 AM
Jan 2014

...I don't care why he came forward. I don't care if this speech was his mea culpa after his dance with the devil. The observations, admonitions, and warnings contained therein are prescient and essential to be understood today!

After 8 years of Cheney/Bush tampering with our Constitution, and With the NSA running roughshod over out Constitutionally guaranteed rights and freedoms, we would be fools to overlook the truth in what he said about the Military Industrial Complex. Don't you agree?

Javaman

(62,504 posts)
10. ...
Fri Jan 17, 2014, 09:05 AM
Jan 2014

fine.

Frankly, I don't care.

ike was a bullshit artist and in the end, he still felt the need to cleanse his soul thinking that he still had a chance to go to "heaven".

exposing the obvious is not a warning.

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