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Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:19 PM Jan 2014

Obama: Marijuana Is No More Dangerous Than Alcohol

Last edited Sun Jan 19, 2014, 07:40 PM - Edit history (2)

Source: Huffington Post

When asked if he believes marijuana is less harmful than alcohol, Obama said it is less damaging "in terms of its impact on the individual consumer."

And that marijuana legalization in Colorado and Washington state is an “important” move towards a more just legal system.

Recently, U.S. Attorney General Holder took steps to relax federal prosecution of marijuana offenses, by averting mandatory minimums and by avoiding prosecution of marijuana users who are complying with state law. “Too many Americans go to too many prisons for far too long, and for no truly good law enforcement reason,” Holder said.

The significance of the recreational marijuana laws in Colorado and Washington state is that they not only remove criminal penalties for possession — at this point, 17 states and many cities have passed decriminalization measures — they also legalize or regulate distribution and growth. Legalization supporters view that latter step as critical to driving out the black market and controlling the health consequences of marijuana consumption.



Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/19/obama-marijuana-alcohol_n_4627740.html



To which can only be said that alcohol has caused more death and destruction since LAST NIGHT than marijuana has done in its entire history.
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Obama: Marijuana Is No More Dangerous Than Alcohol (Original Post) Fred Sanders Jan 2014 OP
I'd rather be sitting in front of a stoner than a drunk in a Florida movie theater, that's for sure. valerief Jan 2014 #1
I'll drive next to a pot head over a texting asshole any day. L0oniX Jan 2014 #9
IMO it's much LESS dangerous. Certainly less addictive. n/t Triana Jan 2014 #2
+1 RoccoR5955 Jan 2014 #15
It's NOT addictive Scairp Jan 2014 #36
+1 n/t Triana Jan 2014 #37
If he's said 'far less' rather than 'no more' I'd really be impressed Bluenorthwest Jan 2014 #3
Yeah. Alcohol has caused more carnage on the streets, more cirrhosis of the liver Rozlee Jan 2014 #4
Whoa. Don't minimize this, folks. This.is.huge. Schema Thing Jan 2014 #5
Ouch SHRED Jan 2014 #6
That last part of that video is chilling. The War on Drugs has created monsters. gtar100 Jan 2014 #21
Indeed. It is past time for all Dems to decriminalize weed riversedge Jan 2014 #34
woa BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #24
Sounds of Obama tacking to the way the wind blows. on point Jan 2014 #7
+1 dreamnightwind Jan 2014 #40
Isn't the DEA still kicking down doors... SHRED Jan 2014 #8
Lip service is easy and cheap. n/t L0oniX Jan 2014 #10
it's not cheap for a president. Schema Thing Jan 2014 #29
Sure it is. He doesn't pay the price, the people do. jtuck004 Jan 2014 #32
He started out by giving lip service to marriage equality, too. riqster Jan 2014 #48
Prohibition is ending, and you're complaining? tridim Jan 2014 #11
"Prohibition is ending" SHRED Jan 2014 #12
No, but prohibition is ending. tridim Jan 2014 #13
I wish I shared your optimisim SHRED Jan 2014 #14
Except that State legalization is undermining the very premise of the War on Drugs and gtar100 Jan 2014 #19
points well taken...thanks SHRED Jan 2014 #22
Obama is very prudently heeding changing public opinion, but... Comrade Grumpy Jan 2014 #26
thank you. Schema Thing Jan 2014 #30
O's waiting for Big Pharma/Monsanto to patent/genetically modify marijuana. Divernan Jan 2014 #16
OFFS LMFAO L0oniX Jan 2014 #33
On occasion yes Scairp Jan 2014 #45
Que up the complaining social cons (as they drink their beer). WhoWoodaKnew Jan 2014 #17
Marijuana legalization is the way to get people to vote Voice for Peace Jan 2014 #18
The only socially negative effects pot has ... Deep13 Jan 2014 #20
As Obama just said. Schema Thing Jan 2014 #31
I'll bet a lot of people right here at DU have personally been affected BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #23
affected DustyJoe Jan 2014 #52
.... BlancheSplanchnik Jan 2014 #53
The biggest danger with MJ is the criminal blackmarket that prohibition supports. Exultant Democracy Jan 2014 #25
Then there's legal pharma.... AlbertCat Jan 2014 #27
Leading from behind is better than more drug worrier heel digging. Methinks an evolution is afoot. TheKentuckian Jan 2014 #28
Unless you're caught with it. Then you are fucked. n/t Orsino Jan 2014 #35
And yet, his DOJ wages continual War and continues to FILL the "Private" prisons with Pot Smokers. bvar22 Jan 2014 #38
I think It's Less Dangerous colsohlibgal Jan 2014 #39
I guess he'd know firsthand. Pterodactyl Jan 2014 #41
Not true. The destruction it causes to junk food is devastating. The horror. The horror. Kennah Jan 2014 #42
Them twinkies had it comin'. riqster Jan 2014 #49
The biggest risks with Marijuana are the legal and employment risks. Shoulders of Giants Jan 2014 #43
"...alcohol has caused more death and destruction since LAST NIGHT than marijuana has done... TroglodyteScholar Jan 2014 #44
Actually it's far LESS dangerous than alcohol SHRED Jan 2014 #46
K & R SunSeeker Jan 2014 #47
Not according to your DoT One_Life_To_Give Jan 2014 #50
More people die from cigarettes and alcohol. Lint Head Jan 2014 #51
Hypocrisy marsis Jan 2014 #54

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
36. It's NOT addictive
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jan 2014

Not physically addictive anyway. I think perhaps a person can be psychologically addicted but not like any other substance including alcohol. No doubt Obama will get a great deal of grief over these comments from ignorant twerps who don't have the first clue about pot, or have an interest in keeping pot on the list of scheduled drugs. I'm so tired of uptight, scotch drinking assholes who think that pot is on equal footing with everything from prescription pills to heroin. It's not true, it's never been a "gateway" drug, whatever that means. When I was a teenager the "gateway" drug was the booze my friends got out of their parents' liquor cabinet. And it was free. I'm pretty sure that hasn't changed.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
3. If he's said 'far less' rather than 'no more' I'd really be impressed
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:25 PM
Jan 2014

but even as it is it veers amazingly close to truthful for a politician.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
4. Yeah. Alcohol has caused more carnage on the streets, more cirrhosis of the liver
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:27 PM
Jan 2014

broken marriages and homelessness due to alcoholism, alcohol-related violence, etc. Granted, the narco wars have caused their fair share of deaths and destruction in the distribution of marijuana to the American public, but legalizing that would address most of that.

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
5. Whoa. Don't minimize this, folks. This.is.huge.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:31 PM
Jan 2014


This issue has been my biggest irritant where Obama is concerned... since he did indeed toke as a younger.

But this puts the lack of reason an hypocrisy of prohibition out front.

This is huge.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
21. That last part of that video is chilling. The War on Drugs has created monsters.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:39 PM
Jan 2014

And turned lives into living nightmares for no good reason.

on point

(2,506 posts)
7. Sounds of Obama tacking to the way the wind blows.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jan 2014

Last edited Sun Jan 19, 2014, 03:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Leadership would be to come out and say
1. It is LESS harmful
2. It should be legalized
3. I am directing the AG to stop persecuting those in states with Medical Marijuana laws
4. I am calling for a bill to have it legalized in the country as a whole.

That's leadership with backbone

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
8. Isn't the DEA still kicking down doors...
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jan 2014

...and confiscating private property via "Forfeiture and Seizure" laws??

Where is Obama's legalization proposals??

Talk...talk...talk...Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

Schema Thing

(10,283 posts)
29. it's not cheap for a president.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 03:41 PM
Jan 2014


this is how change comes about. In steps.


These steps just got considerably quickened. Be happy, not dour.
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
32. Sure it is. He doesn't pay the price, the people do.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 04:10 PM
Jan 2014

What remains to be seen is how much is left on the bill now.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
48. He started out by giving lip service to marriage equality, too.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 12:30 PM
Jan 2014

And people bitched then, too. Look how much progress has been made since that first step.

tridim

(45,358 posts)
11. Prohibition is ending, and you're complaining?
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:56 PM
Jan 2014

Sorry, I just don't get the attitude. It's a buzz-kill.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
12. "Prohibition is ending"
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jan 2014

Can you give me the details of any Federal legislation that has a chance?

tridim

(45,358 posts)
13. No, but prohibition is ending.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:12 PM
Jan 2014

And Obama just gave our cause a major boost.

And you're complaining. Screw that.

Legislation will happen after we kick GOP ass in 2014.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
14. I wish I shared your optimisim
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:14 PM
Jan 2014

State by state I think Cannabis illegality will lessen however the "war on drugs" will continue I think.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
19. Except that State legalization is undermining the very premise of the War on Drugs and
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:33 PM
Jan 2014

is a very progressive step to stopping it. Obama's words may be lip service to the winds of change but all change begins with saying the right words. We're not ready to throw a victory party but at least we can say, "It's good to hear you say that." It just might open some doors. But I hear you on the distrust. Few politicians speak out of the convictions of their soul.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
26. Obama is very prudently heeding changing public opinion, but...
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 03:14 PM
Jan 2014

as the interviewer Remnick noted, this is an area of shifting public opinion where "he seemed even less eager to evolve with any dispatch and get in front of the issue."

I'll give him credit for not getting in the way in Colorado and Washington, though.

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
16. O's waiting for Big Pharma/Monsanto to patent/genetically modify marijuana.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:22 PM
Jan 2014

Oh, you sillies - it's clear to me that Obama's comment is laying the groundwork for his full-throated endorsement of smoking pot. As soon as Monsanto completes developing genetically modified marijuana (which I'm sure they're working on right now), and planting crops next to all established marijuana growers, allowing for wind-carried cross-pollination & suits against farmers for patent infringement - probably in the next growing season, you know what's going to happen. Bob's your uncle, the justice department will be immediately called off prosecuting and Obama will hail all the jobs created and positive impact on the economy. It will be touted by him right up there with the (corporate profits) "benefits" of clean coal, nuclear power plants, the Keystone pipeline, fracking and the TPP.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
45. On occasion yes
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 04:40 AM
Jan 2014

This especially a problem in the states that still criminalize pot. They have a big financial interest in keeping marijuana illegal, which is very infuriating. Maybe he is finally going to direct DEA to remove it from the scheduled drugs list with heroin and cocaine and crystal. Fingers crossed.

 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
18. Marijuana legalization is the way to get people to vote
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:29 PM
Jan 2014

or at least a sane drug policy. we are ready!

should be on the dem platform, asap

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
20. The only socially negative effects pot has ...
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:36 PM
Jan 2014

... arises from its illegality, not its pharmacology. Alcohol kills people and destroys lives.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
23. I'll bet a lot of people right here at DU have personally been affected
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 02:49 PM
Jan 2014

by alcoholism. It kills families, relationships, kids.....strongly linked with violence.....

I hate alcoholism.

DustyJoe

(849 posts)
52. affected
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:02 PM
Jan 2014

And in the same vein, a lot have been affected watching their children start with pot, upgrade to crack or meth. Not much different than the beer drinker upgrading to straight shots of vodka IMO. Personal experience and watching tragedy unfold have me on the no-booze and no-drugs side for years.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
27. Then there's legal pharma....
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 03:22 PM
Jan 2014

Like Lily Thomlin said:

"My high school councilor asked me if I had a drug problem. My only drug problem is I can't get my mother's prescriptions refilled...."

And every one of us knows how dreadful alcohol is.

With these two...that puts pot way down at the bottom of the list of "drug problems".

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
38. And yet, his DOJ wages continual War and continues to FILL the "Private" prisons with Pot Smokers.
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 06:31 PM
Jan 2014

Quite a disconnect there between the WORDS,
and the ACTIONS.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
39. I think It's Less Dangerous
Sun Jan 19, 2014, 09:16 PM
Jan 2014

And it is a huge potential cash cow. Win-win-win (including not cramming our jails).

43. The biggest risks with Marijuana are the legal and employment risks.
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 12:15 AM
Jan 2014

The harm of the actual drug itself can't even come close to the threat of losing your job or going to jail for using the drug. This is a perfect example of society creating a problem where one didn't really exist.

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
44. "...alcohol has caused more death and destruction since LAST NIGHT than marijuana has done...
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:04 AM
Jan 2014

...in its entire history."

Wish more people understood/acknowledged/acceptied this fact.

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
46. Actually it's far LESS dangerous than alcohol
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 12:11 PM
Jan 2014

But for political reasons I realize the President can't tell this truth.

One_Life_To_Give

(6,036 posts)
50. Not according to your DoT
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 01:10 PM
Jan 2014

US DoT still cites any trace of Marijuana in any of the individuals/workers it regulates as a Crime. So everyone from truck drivers to merchant mariners remember your license can be forfeited for it.

 

marsis

(301 posts)
54. Hypocrisy
Mon Jan 20, 2014, 02:40 PM
Jan 2014

thy name is Obama. Bla Bla Bla Bla bla. What has he done on this topic other than prosecute more MM users than Bush ever thought of? ...............silence......................hypocrite!

Typical of a Chicago Democrat, God I despise those politicos up there, almost but not quite as much as teabaggers.

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