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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:23 AM Jan 2014

Gorbachev Calls on Putin and Obama to Intercede in Ukraine

Source: RIA novosti

MOSCOW, January 23 (RIA Novosti) – Former Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on Thursday called for the leaders of the United States and Russia to prevent further escalation of a dangerous standoff between demonstrators and police in Ukraine’s capital, Kiev.

“I ask you to find a way to take a resolute step in helping Ukraine return to a peaceful path of development,” Gorbachev said in the letter, addressed to Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin and posted on his website, Gorby.ru.

At least three demonstrators have died during rallies that began on Sunday in protest of hastily passed legislation curtailing the freedom of assembly in Ukraine.

Police have been accused of using excessive force, while rioters have been seen throwing flaming Molotov cocktails at police lines.

Read more: http://en.ria.ru/world/20140123/186848160/Gorbachev-Calls-on-Putin-and-Obama-to-Intercede-in-Ukraine.html



There is little doubt that Viktor Yanukovych's rule is corrupt. It stands for the interests of the richest few in Ukraine's highly unequal society and is responsible for the brutal suppression of opposition. The majority of protesting Ukrainians hope for a just, fair and democratic society, even if naively connecting this hope to an idealised "Europe".

Yet Euromaidan, Ukraine's pro-EU protest movement, has still not become a point of conflict between the Ukrainian government and Ukrainian society as a whole. According to the polls, support for Euromaidan is heavily concentrated in the western and central regions, while Ukrainians living in the east and the south of the country overwhelmingly disapprove. After mass violent clashes with the police started on Monday, in which a leading role was played by a far-right network of groups called Right Sector, there is no doubt that people in the eastern and southern regions would condemn the protests even more. This is unfortunate because the agenda of the protest has shifted from a desire to be associated with Europe to the struggle against the police state after parliament ripped up the constitution and rushed through laws restricting, among others, the freedom of peaceful assembly and freedom of speech.

The Right Sector militants did not appear from nowhere, although many media and liberal protesters preferred to ignore their existence. They were active participants in the protest from the very beginning, interested not so much in European association as the "national revolution". They efficiently infiltrated the volunteer guards of the tent camps.

On 1 December, they were the main force behind the violent attack near the presidential administration, contrary to the popular version that blamed government provocateurs. When, last Sunday, Vitali Klitchko, the most probable next president of Ukraine according to the polls, tried to stop clashes with police, he was booed. Many protesters, who could not imagine themselves throwing stones and molotovs at the police line before, joined the violence of the extreme right, frustrated at the lack of progress after coming each Sunday to listen to the same talks from opposition leaders.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/22/ukraine-protests-europe-far-right-violence

Profile: Ukraine's 'Right Sector' movement.

Since late November, huge crowds have been camped out in central Kiev, opposing the government's partnership with Russia and calling for early elections. But a small number of protesters are thought to have a more violent agenda. The BBC Ukrainian Service looks at this little-known far-right group, the Right Sector.

In the early days of the protests in Kiev, the most radical activists on Independence Square created the Right Sector movement, which took an active part in the clashes with police on 19 January.

This group consists mostly of young men with right-wing views.

They come from different regions of Ukraine, and there are both Ukrainian and Russian-speaking people among them.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-25826238

Its the Right Movement who use red and black : not to be confused with either red for communism or black for the bloc.
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Gorbachev Calls on Putin and Obama to Intercede in Ukraine (Original Post) dipsydoodle Jan 2014 OP
I've read the article a few times - dipsydoodle JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #1
I looked on it as at least being a balanced approach. dipsydoodle Jan 2014 #2
I think on this JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #4
Looks to me like the Ukrainians need to settle their own problems. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #3
This - so true JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #5
We can state our position on the whole mess, or even impose sanctions, but TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #6

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
1. I've read the article a few times - dipsydoodle
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:33 AM
Jan 2014

Why do you think he would call on the US? Why - when we have so many of our own food, shelter, health care insecure? I'm one of those Americans who is always skeptical when we world leaders call on us to intervene -

When they've GOT to know our own are suffering needlessly.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
2. I looked on it as at least being a balanced approach.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:41 AM
Jan 2014

I'm not sure what will satisfy "the opposition" - there seem to be geographical differences within the Ukraine.

What had brought this to a head was the EU trade issue with regard to which there is no sign of the opposition have a viable economic alternative than the status quo with Russia. The cost of going with an EU deal is thought to be c. €220 billion over a number of years which is equal to the aggregate Greek bailout but with no funding method.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
3. Looks to me like the Ukrainians need to settle their own problems.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 10:42 AM
Jan 2014

I've seen outside influences, such as America, enter situations and make them worse too many times. Bringing the Americans in is like calling the cops. You can bet that if we get involved, no one will be happy with the outcome.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
6. We can state our position on the whole mess, or even impose sanctions, but
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 12:06 PM
Jan 2014

trying to influence Ukraine beyond that is asking for trouble with Putin, and we already have enough trouble with him. This is not our fight. The EU and Putin are in a tug of war with Ukraine, let them come up with a solution, it's their turf.

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