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alp227

(32,016 posts)
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 03:57 PM Jan 2014

Poll: At Obama's 5-yr point, few see a turnaround

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) — As President Barack Obama begins his sixth year in office, people are largely pessimistic about the country's direction, down on the condition of the economy and doubtful it will bounce back anytime soon.

Unemployment? Seventy percent think it will go higher or stay the same.

Yet a new Associated Press-GfK poll shows that Obama has picked up a little support lately on his handling of unemployment and the federal government. People still view him negatively on both issues, but the share that disapproves has dropped 7 percentage points on each issue since October, largely a reflection of greater support among independents.

The survey also finds the president's personal image to be on the rebound after taking a hit during the government shutdown late last year, with 58 percent now sizing him up as very or somewhat likable. That's up 9 percentage points from October, just after the shutdown.

Read more: http://bigstory.ap.org/article/poll-people-see-obama-nice-guy-so-so-prez

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Poll: At Obama's 5-yr point, few see a turnaround (Original Post) alp227 Jan 2014 OP
What do we do when both parties are to the right of America? Ash_F Jan 2014 #1
Neither party. The owners of those "two" parties won't allow it. villager Jan 2014 #2
President Obama said it himself yeoman6987 Jan 2014 #3
And he plans to do just that. Even Paul Krugman, who hasn't always been an Obama fan, is Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #10
Or, what do we do when Americans are so grossly misinformed that they blame the president Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #9
The so-called "Democrats" don't even put up the semblance of a fight anymore. It's just roll over & blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #17
All Democrats? Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #18
ok... sendero Jan 2014 #27
It's called Democraticunderground, Not center-right business establishment underground. Ash_F Jan 2014 #25
Show me the Democratic Party platform. Then show me exactly where there are center right Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #28
I didn't stay home. Ash_F Jan 2014 #30
I didn't say YOU stayed home. I didn't YOU said 95%. I pointed to someone who responded to Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #31
"We can't push them further to the left" Ash_F Jan 2014 #33
Look eighty percent of what any President accomplishes is done through truedelphi Jan 2014 #26
the two parties are free to do what they like on gays, god, and anything else that doesn't yurbud Jan 2014 #29
Honestly, if we want to know who is to blame I look at the GOP and especially the GOP House LynneSin Jan 2014 #4
Damned straight..... President does not equal King groundloop Jan 2014 #8
From Birther to Benghazi grilled onions Jan 2014 #11
It's not just on the political right. I wish it were. He was received hell from the political left Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #13
if obama were a republican, they'd be saying that the dow has more than doubled unblock Jan 2014 #5
Usually the stock market climbs when a Democrat is President but doesn't do as well when ... spin Jan 2014 #21
yes, that's been true for a long time and has only gotten more so since clinton. unblock Jan 2014 #22
Almost all political conflict... between the Sane Billionaires and the Insane Billionaires. immoderate Jan 2014 #6
The problem for him is, it's mostly chickens from the last decade, and more, coming TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #7
The Obamacare rollout was not "brought on himself". It was sabotaged from the very beginning. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #12
Well, I have to disagree about the Obamacare intro, because that was TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #14
She wasn't fired because I believe that they all knew how they were being set up from the beginning. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #15
I hear what you're saying about low-quality/lowest-bidder contractors, TwilightGardener Jan 2014 #19
I hear you, but I still think he did right by keeping the team. They cleaned up the mess and now Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #20
Honestly, in hindsight, the healthcare.gov problems are pretty irrelelvant and not that big of deal. phleshdef Jan 2014 #23
Exactly. That's the point I was trying to make in my posts. Read my responses below. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jan 2014 #24
The 1% is doing quite well, thank you very much. Everyone else, well ... blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #16
President Obama has been a very good CEO-like decision maker. 1000words Jan 2014 #32

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
1. What do we do when both parties are to the right of America?
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:00 PM
Jan 2014

On every issue that is polled. Both parties are to the right of the majority. Or at best the Dems catch up late(gay marriage, pot legalization).

Which party is for the majority of Americans right now?

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
3. President Obama said it himself
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:05 PM
Jan 2014

"I have no other way to go but up" and he is right. I think he needs to use this State of the Union for a rebuilding or rebirth of his Presidency. It is HARD to go 8 years as President and normally the second term is most difficult. He can do it or he would not have been reelected. He also needs to brag about himself more. I think he is really rather shy and way too modest. He needs to explain his accomplishments and why they are great for the country (and do it daily until it gets through to everyone).

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
9. Or, what do we do when Americans are so grossly misinformed that they blame the president
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:39 PM
Jan 2014

for the recalcitrance of one party--the Republican Party.

It was the Republican Party who shut down government.
It was the Republican Party who continues to block jobs bills.
It was the Republican Party who continues to go after popular programs that help the least of us.

This false equivalency meme is something that we fully expect from the Corporate Media, not from people on DU who should know better.

Yes, there are bad apples in the Democratic Party. There's no question about it. But as a whole, the Democratic Party is nothing like the Republican Party which is in lockstep against everything the American people stand for. And if you don't believe that, then I'm not sure why you're still here on DU and I'm not sure why you're still a Democrat if you think both parties are the same.

Individual bad apples don't make the entire Democratic Party is bad political party. Let's work to get rid of the bad apples and replace them with good liberals.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
17. The so-called "Democrats" don't even put up the semblance of a fight anymore. It's just roll over &
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:41 PM
Jan 2014

die, right after the elections.

And the "Republicans" make all the demands, and get all the concessions.

Wash, rinse, repeat.

You don't think we're noticing???

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
25. It's called Democraticunderground, Not center-right business establishment underground.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 03:50 AM
Jan 2014

I don't disagree with you on the Republicans, but there is no good reason for Democratic policy to be right of center in comparison to what most Americans want.

They have been and will just be throwing elections away like this.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
28. Show me the Democratic Party platform. Then show me exactly where there are center right
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 09:40 AM
Jan 2014

policy priorities.

Yes, there are some Democrats pushing for the TPP, which I am vehemently opposed to. Including our president who is going out of his way to support it, and I'm not sure why. But MOST--yes, MOST--Democrats are fighting back against it. Indeed, there are many Republicans always fighting against it simply because it's Obama, but still. Now the TPP probably will fail because of it.

So you and some other person said it's 95%? Why are you here?

Yes, there are some Blue Dog and Corporate/DLC Democrats who are going against what most Americans want. Sure, there are. But the largest caucus in the Democratic Party is the Progressive Caucus. If it can't fight back against the corporatists in the party, then who's fault is that?

No one's throwing away elections. In 2010, it was Independents (who really are pseudo-Republicans) that stayed home. Whiny liberals who didn't get 100% pure liberal policies WHEN they wanted it stomped their feet, took their ball and went home and didn't vote. Now we have all these states dominated by Republicans and still Blue Dog and Corporatist Democrats in the House and Senate. And you wonder why we still don't have more progressive policy outcomes? Really? Your logic makes no sense. I've been up and down this road on this issue:

We elect Democrats. Democratic Party has a huge tent which allows all ideological persuasions to participate.
When we don't get 100% of what we want when we want it, we get angry and blame Democrats INSTEAD OF BLAMING THE REPUBLICANS AND THOSE BLUE DOG DEMOCRATS WHO ARE AT FAULT. Rather than fight to defeat the Republicans and Blue Dogs in our districts, we continue to blame the Democratic Party--as a whole--and stay home and don't vote, thus allowing MORE Republicans to take control over local, state, the courts, school districts, and federal government. These are facts! Not hyperbole.
Meanwhile, the Republicans get their people out to the polls and get into power.
Then, we ILLOGICALLY wonder why we still don't have progressive policy outcomes!!

What? Does that make any fucking sense at all? It's simple: You stay home mad because you didn't get your way when you wanted it. Republicans get back in. You wonder why the Democrats who are left can't get anything done. DUH!! What did you expect? Then you get mad again and threaten to stay home the following election rather than work to get MORE progressive Democrats elected and get rid of these Blue Dog, Corporatists Democrats!

I don't get the logic. I never will.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
30. I didn't stay home.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:01 PM
Jan 2014

But when people are let down they get apathetic. That's a fact. So Dems shouldn't let them down.

And where did I say 95%? I am blaming Blue Dogs. They kinda run the show.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
31. I didn't say YOU stayed home. I didn't YOU said 95%. I pointed to someone who responded to
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:11 PM
Jan 2014

me upthread.

Democrats are going to have to realize that we can't get 100% of everything we want. We choose candidates who mirror the closest to what we want and we push them to move further.

But we can't push them further to the left if too many of us don't understand the realities of Washington. Governing is more difficult than most of us realize. But you want admit that Democrats govern, and they do a much better job than Republicans. If we can't agree on anything else, we should agree on that alone. The fact speak for themselves. The economy thrives when Democrats are in office. And even despite the unprecedented degree of obstruction that President Obama has faced, the economy--though still bad--has improved tremendously under his tenure. We still have a long, long way to go. And he has made some decisions that I am vehemently opposed to. But just because there are a few decisions that disgusts me doesn't mean that I'm giving up the entire party, paint the entire party with a broad brush, and not work to get more progressives elected. To me, that is counterproductive. It makes no sense. To do so opens the door for more Republicans to gain power, and then where are we left? More Republicans, even more destructions. At some point we need to learn that governance and change take time. We can't get mad every time we don't 100% pure progressive policies.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
33. "We can't push them further to the left"
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:18 PM
Jan 2014

I am vehemently against this. This notion is what I have been arguing against all along. And this idea is damaging Democratic chances worse than Republican ones.

When both parties are to the right of the majority of America on policy issues, it is a failure of democracy.

Yes we should get mad about this.

Yes we can understand our government. That is condescending.

No I don't think we should give up on the party, we need to replace the conservative leadership.

truedelphi

(32,324 posts)
26. Look eighty percent of what any President accomplishes is done through
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:59 AM
Jan 2014

Their appointments.

Back when Reagan was the President, some eight cents out of every dollar of profit generated inside this nation went directly into the coffers of some bank or other. Now that figure is a friggin' 49 cents out of every dollar of profit generated. The middle class cannot survive this, and yet no one with any real power has done anything to stop it.

That means there will be plenty more Camden NJ's and plenty more Detroit Michigans. This country is being turned upside down, and to hear some people blame ONLY the Republicans makes me wonder how so many can be so fooled for so long.

We supposedly had a Democratic majority in the House and Senate from Jan 2007 to Jan 2011, and they could have altered many things, including the laws relating to pollution so West Virginians wouldn't have been deprived of water for the last few weeks. But the truth is all these elected officials from both sides of the aisle are in on the take from the Puppet Master Corporations.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
29. the two parties are free to do what they like on gays, god, and anything else that doesn't
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 11:31 AM
Jan 2014

cost the wealthy anything.

Pot legalization will take a big chunk out of big banks' drug money laundering business but that's bubbling up from below and they won't be able to keep it down much longer.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
4. Honestly, if we want to know who is to blame I look at the GOP and especially the GOP House
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:10 PM
Jan 2014

They have made it a point to do as absolutely little as possible during Obama's tenure. Instead they focus on non-issues like Abortion or appealing Obamacare instead of focusing on turning around the country and creating jobs.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
8. Damned straight..... President does not equal King
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:37 PM
Jan 2014

There's only so much a President can do. People seem to forget that it's up to the House and Senate to pass laws. The House GOPers have been blocking any and all progress, and unfortunately people are equating this to President Obama not accomplishing much.


grilled onions

(1,957 posts)
11. From Birther to Benghazi
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:47 PM
Jan 2014

They have done their damnest to tackle only non issues or appease the corporate and their heavy handed donors. To them it's better to spread the mustard around than tackle the hotdog of unemployment,minimum wage and decent housing for all.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
13. It's not just on the political right. I wish it were. He was received hell from the political left
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:04 PM
Jan 2014

as well. If he's not 100% pure, or if there's ANY issue that he goes astray on or that he's not 100% aligned with the political left on, then somehow he's "just as bad as Bush" or "worse than Bush". If he's pragmatic or nuanced--if he's attuned with the political realities of D.C. politics and is aware of what he faces in Congress and therefore understands that he can't do everything he would like to do. And even worse, that he faces obstacles within his party, let alone the Republicans, then he is blamed. Why can't he be like FDR or LBJ, they ask? That question is totally disconnected with history and with the realities of present-day politics. Many times I feel that the political left is much worse than what we see on the political right. I feel that we are much smarter, much more intelligent and politically savvy than the political right; we ought to know better. We ought to know and understand how politics works. But then I realize that we don't. Why can't Obama just issue an Executive Order and do this and do that? If you notice, I ignore those posts. I simply ignore them because they are devoid of reason. If people don't understand how Executive Orders work or the limitations of E.O.'s versus congressional action, then I have nothing else to add.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
5. if obama were a republican, they'd be saying that the dow has more than doubled
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:13 PM
Jan 2014

and how Obama lopped one-third off the unemployment rate compared to where it was shortly after he took office. it's now back down to 6.7%, very nearly the "full employment" level of 6% (the level traditionally cited as the lowest employment can be without producing inflation).

nevermind the budget improvements and such.

spin

(17,493 posts)
21. Usually the stock market climbs when a Democrat is President but doesn't do as well when ...
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 12:16 AM
Jan 2014

a Republican is in the White House.

Stocks Return More With Democrat in White House: BGOV Barometer
By Bob Drummond Feb 22, 2012 12:00 AM ET

The BGOV Barometer shows that, over the five decades since John F. Kennedy was inaugurated, $1,000 invested in a hypothetical fund that tracks the Standard & Poor’s 500 Index (SPX) only when Democrats are in the White House would have been worth $10,920 at the close of trading yesterday.

That’s more than nine times the dollar return an investor would have realized from following a similar strategy during Republican administrations. A $1,000 stake invested in a fund that followed the S&P 500 under Republican presidents, starting with Richard Nixon, would have grown to $2,087 on the day George W. Bush left office.

“The market does tend to do better under Democrats than under Republicans,” Sam Stovall, chief investment strategist at S&P Equity Research in New York, said in a telephone interview. “Is it because Republicans mishandled the economy, or inherited a weak economy? I’ll leave that to others.”

***snip***

“I dare say that most people on Wall Street are Republicans,” Stovall said. “But it appears the bread is buttered on the Democratic side.”
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-22/stocks-return-more-with-dem-in-white-house-bgov-barometer.html


unblock

(52,196 posts)
22. yes, that's been true for a long time and has only gotten more so since clinton.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 01:03 AM
Jan 2014

but not the difference in political coverage. reagan was a hero because the stock market went up, but clinton and obama get attacked non-stop.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
6. Almost all political conflict... between the Sane Billionaires and the Insane Billionaires.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:14 PM
Jan 2014
'Almost all political conflict, especially in the US, boils down to a fight between the Sane Billionaires and the Insane Billionaires'
By Jonathan Schwarz

INSANE BILLIONAIRES: Let’s kill everyone and take their money!

SANE BILLIONAIRES: I like the way you think. I really do. But if we keep everyone alive, and working for us, we’ll make even more money, in the long term.

INSANE BILLIONAIRES: You communist!!!
http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2008/08/global-warming-were-not-100-doomed.html



--imm


TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
7. The problem for him is, it's mostly chickens from the last decade, and more, coming
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:22 PM
Jan 2014

home to roost on his watch. No more internet take-off, housing bubble, government/defense buildup post-9/11--we're seeing what the economy is REALLY made of, and it's not all that great for most of us. No wonder the TPP is something he wants--NAFTA helped Bill Clinton out, after all--whether it was good for the rest of us or not. Also: no more patriotic boners for war like in Bushdom, just a slow, unsatisfying slog to the end. Also: kind of biffed the Obamacare rollout. That, he brought upon himself. But, he has corrected his foreign policy direction, and that's a plus.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
12. The Obamacare rollout was not "brought on himself". It was sabotaged from the very beginning.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 04:51 PM
Jan 2014

If you kept up with the entire story, from the bidding process (and the fact that the contract was deliberately underfunded by the Republicans), to the fact that healthcare.gov was never meant to be the main vehicle through which people could sign up to purchase medical insurance. They were supposed to site up via their own state's established health care exchange site. Obama's biggest failure was trusting Republican governors to make good on their part of the bargain to create those websites and expand Medicaid in their respective states. Healthcare.gov was never built to hold that much traffic. That has been corrected.

And nothing was wrong with his foreign policy, either. We're not going to war with anyone. Hopefully we're out of Afghanistan, 100%!

The problem with Americans--both liberals and conservatives--is that we've set the bar so high for this president, a bar that was never set this high for any other president in the history of this nation. (I can guess why, too!)

Had Bush II or Clinton captured bin Laden, their faces would have been plastered on Mt. Rushmore, no questions asked. No controversy. That this president hasn't been able to enjoy any modicum of success, no matter what he has accomplished, says so much. That he seldom receives credit for anything, no matter what it is, but accepts blame for most things that go wrong, from BOTH the political left and the political right, speaks to something much larger happening in the American psyche. Maybe one of these days in the future when he has long passed from the scene, we'll figure out what it is about Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. that won't allow the average American to give this man FULL and complete credit for anything that he does right, but directs blame for any and everything that goes wrong, no matter who's really at fault. I really hope that we do some soul searching one of these days to look into this perplexing phenomenon.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
14. Well, I have to disagree about the Obamacare intro, because that was
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:10 PM
Jan 2014

his big initiative and one thing he could control fairly well--his deputies and advisors let him down on that one, and none have been fired, surprisingly. I would have thought Sebelius would be gone by now. It's not a tragedy, just a setback--but one he didn't need. I wasn't terribly convinced of his foreign policy direction up until this year (some interventions and a surge that proved to be not-so-great), but he seems to be on track now. Repubs have repeatedly sabotaged him and wrestled him to the mat, but history will pretty much only remember what he did and didn't do--fairly or not. Overall, he's done a pretty damn good job with what he's had to work with, he's still the same level-headed, sane, decent guy I supported in 2007. But I do believe he's been less lucky in world events and economic realities than, say, Clinton.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
15. She wasn't fired because I believe that they all knew how they were being set up from the beginning.
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 05:36 PM
Jan 2014

There's two ways to look at it, and in some way, I agree with you:

1. Fire Sebelius and give the Republicans what they always wanted: another Obama casualty of war thrown under the bus. I'm happy that Obama *finally* stood up for his soldier. Sebelius has been there from the beginning. Besides, she supposedly "made the mess". She would need to clean it up. More important, suppose she was fired. Do we really believe that the Republicans would confirm another HHS head to carry out Obamacare without first seeing to it that the program would be further hampered by delays and setbacks due to Sebelius's departure? We progressives must be more reasonable. Republicans would never confirm another HHS head or deputy. Remember, they'd demand that both Sebelius and her deputy (Bill Corr), not to mention, demand the resignation of the Director of CMS (the person in charge of Medicare). All these people are essential to the survival of ACA's implementation. A disruption caused by resignations/firing could cause further damage. Sebelius oversaw the revamping of the website which has been improved and is now working. Imagine someone new trying to learn from scratch.

2. Keep Sebelius on, take the heat from BOTH sides: Democrats need to grow a spine! We are quick to throw our own under the bus. We're lining up to condemn Sebelius. What we needed to be condemning is the government's obsession with outsourcing and bidding via private companies that are often inept and undeserving. These private firms receiving contracts need to be more heavily scrutinized. And it was precisely because congressional Republicans defunded the implementation of the ACA that we were stuck with pursue low-bid, unqualified, low-performing private firms to build the healthcare.gov website. The Republicans knew that the Dems would be stuck with a less than qualified bidder, rather than a state-of-the-art Google.com or some other high-tech company or firm that could ensure that the website worked better. So yes, some of the fault may lie with HHS officials, but take it from me as someone who works for the federal government (I work for HUD and have friends who work at HHS): we are often forced to go with low bidding firms--private firms that we know aren't as good as other firms who may charge a little more for higher-quality work. It happens all the time. Plus, we outsource to private firms all the time rather than doing the work ourselves that we KNOW that we are fully capable of doing better. That's the REAL controversy. That's why I get so angry when I hear Democrats especially blaming Obama and other Democrats instead of looking at the institutional structure and how the way that we are forced to do business.

It is precisely because Americans have been indoctrination with this anti-government sentiment that we have been forced to allow private contractors do work that government employees have worked hard, often earning advanced degrees, to do. We know we can perform the work even better if offered the change. But we're stuck in the position of monitoring these contracts and making sure they are carried out properly.

I want to hear Democrats going after the structure of how government does its work, not government itself--not government employees who find themselves in this position not of our own doing or choice. I want to hear Democrats blame the right people--FOR ONCE!! I want to hear them blame Republicans for changing the rules, exploiting those rules for political gain, then blaming Obama and the Democrats when things go wrong. I want Democrats to smarten up! Understand how this government works. I want them to understand that President Obama is not a king! He can't just issue Executive Orders every time Congress doesn't do something. Executive Orders have real limitations attached to them. And without funds attached that are necessary to carry those orders out, they mean nothing. Congress control the purse strings. Not the president. Democrats need to arm themselves with the proper information. That we are often persuaded by the rhetoric that we hear on T.V. commentary shows, just as easily as those on the political right bothers me sometimes. When I hear the same language on the left that's being used on the right, that bothers and irritates me. We're better and smarter than that.

Just some thoughts. Not directed at you. I just went off and gave more than what you wanted.

TwilightGardener

(46,416 posts)
19. I hear what you're saying about low-quality/lowest-bidder contractors,
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 06:14 PM
Jan 2014

having been on the receiving end of some shitty private-contractor housing services as a military spouse. When people screech about government being incompetent, at least some of it is due to private companies and the system by which they end up winning their contracts, I agree. As far as Sebelius and others, I didn't want ceremonial beheadings just for the sake of it--there has to be some real basis for firing people, and they must be able to be quickly replaced with someone BETTER. I'm just surprised that most of the top staff is still there. Not sure what that says about the whole ordeal or of Obama's management philosophies.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
20. I hear you, but I still think he did right by keeping the team. They cleaned up the mess and now
Thu Jan 23, 2014, 06:28 PM
Jan 2014

we're in the better for it.

 

phleshdef

(11,936 posts)
23. Honestly, in hindsight, the healthcare.gov problems are pretty irrelelvant and not that big of deal.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 01:09 AM
Jan 2014

Really who gives a shit? They got it fixed, plenty of people have signed up. Obama has undeniably extended healthcare access to millions who didn't have it. Anyone that is gonna talk shit about that at this point can bite my ass.

 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
32. President Obama has been a very good CEO-like decision maker.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 04:17 PM
Jan 2014

Alas, the U.S. desperately needed a leader.

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