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Tripper11

(4,338 posts)
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:20 PM Jan 2014

Judge orders Texas hospital to remove life support from pregnant, brain-dead woman

Last edited Sat Jan 25, 2014, 12:22 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: CNN

The Associated Press ‏@AP 1m

BREAKING: Judge orders Texas hospital to remove life support from pregnant, brain-dead woman.

Updated with link & excerpt

Fort Worth, Texas (CNN) -- A Texas judge ordered a Fort Worth hospital to remove a pregnant and brain-dead woman from respirators and ventilators on Friday, perhaps ending a wrenching legal debate about who is alive, who is dead and how the presence of a fetus changes the equation.
Erick Munoz, husband of Marlise Munoz, broke down in tears after Judge R.H. Wallace told John Peter Smith Hospital to act on his order by 5 p.m. Monday.
Munoz and other family members had been fighting to have the body released for burial. Hospital officials resisted, saying they were trying to obey a Texas law that says "you cannot withhold or withdraw life-sustaining treatment for a pregnant patient," in the words of the hospital spokesman.
Munoz left the courthouse without talking to reporters, but the family's lawyers spoke out. Jessica Janicek argued that the hospital was "utilizing (Marlise Munoz's) body as a science experiment."

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/24/health/pregnant-brain-dead-woman-texas/



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Judge orders Texas hospital to remove life support from pregnant, brain-dead woman (Original Post) Tripper11 Jan 2014 OP
Let the battle begin. SoapBox Jan 2014 #1
I was wondering the same thing. hamsterjill Jan 2014 #12
Jahni McMath... PasadenaTrudy Jan 2014 #18
Thank the gods. Sheldon Cooper Jan 2014 #2
About Goddamn time!! BigDemVoter Jan 2014 #3
May she rest in peace. And may the hospital eat the bill. (nt) jeff47 Jan 2014 #4
shouldn't the state pay the hospital bill? modrepub Jan 2014 #11
I think it's a public hospital Progressive dog Jan 2014 #19
I wish we could make the Texas Republican Party pick up the bill. LuvNewcastle Jan 2014 #24
Most likely Tarrant County homeowners. jsr Jan 2014 #30
Here's a link to the article about the judge's court order ralps Jan 2014 #5
I'm glad he was able honor his wife's wishes JustAnotherGen Jan 2014 #9
Here are some links: LongTomH Jan 2014 #6
Another link. TexasTowelie Jan 2014 #7
An AP link below... Tx4obama Jan 2014 #8
the poor family. now they can grieve. IcyPeas Jan 2014 #10
Yes, after the heartbreak they'd undergone ailsagirl Jan 2014 #13
What a ghastly, indecent, inhumane, & cruel ordeal to put that poor family through, courtesy of TX blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #14
Exactly. tabasco Jan 2014 #23
This will be over fast cosmicone Jan 2014 #15
I don't think anybody wants to appeall it Niceguy1 Jan 2014 #26
that's my take. once the judge basically overturned the law keeping her on life support, ellenfl Jan 2014 #29
Terry Schiavo's husband had a court order to remove the feedng tube too. Archae Jan 2014 #16
Remember Shrub rushing to DC in the middle of the night NYC Liberal Jan 2014 #22
K & R !!! WillyT Jan 2014 #17
Good Solly Mack Jan 2014 #20
It hasn't happened yet. They have until 5pm Monday... cynatnite Jan 2014 #21
Good news in a very sad case davidpdx Jan 2014 #25
The judge gave the hospital until 5 p.m. CST Monday to remove life support. Tx4obama Jan 2014 #27
More than enough time for Reverend Rick Perry to intervene since he loves the unborn so much... n/t freshwest Jan 2014 #33
Finally!!! kdmorris Jan 2014 #28
finally. I hope there is no hold up. The family needs to bury her and be able to grieve their loss. liberal_at_heart Jan 2014 #31
Thank God. May it soon be over, for their sakes. nt Hekate Jan 2014 #32

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
1. Let the battle begin.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:23 PM
Jan 2014

Speaking of...what happened to the body of the little girl that had the tonsillectomy?

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
12. I was wondering the same thing.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:51 PM
Jan 2014

As to the young girl.

And yes...the battle will begin as I'm sure the other side will seek a TRO.

I sincerely hope that this battle ends here and that this family will be allowed to grieve their loss privately. This should NEVER have escalated to this point. It's ludicrous that they had to go to court to allow their wife/daughter to pass with dignity.

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
18. Jahni McMath...
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 07:50 PM
Jan 2014

It's been radio silence on her since she left the hospital. I keep checking for news, and not a thing. Strange.

BigDemVoter

(4,149 posts)
3. About Goddamn time!!
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:24 PM
Jan 2014

They've been treating that poor woman like an "incubator."

For Christ's sake, she is DEAD and has been!

modrepub

(3,493 posts)
11. shouldn't the state pay the hospital bill?
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:47 PM
Jan 2014

It was their law that kept her life support anyway. NPR had one of the authors of the TX bill (Tom Mayo) that the hospital had interpreted as requiring them keep her on life support against her husband's wishes. He said that "in his interpretation" the statute didn't apply (a cop out). Have no idea why he would say that other than even he was appalled at this situation.

NPR Interview: [link:http://www.npr.org/2014/01/23/265358241/the-law-behind-the-texas-life-support-controversy|

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
19. I think it's a public hospital
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 07:54 PM
Jan 2014

whatever that means in Texas.
May the family now be able to begin to recover.

LuvNewcastle

(16,843 posts)
24. I wish we could make the Texas Republican Party pick up the bill.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 08:46 PM
Jan 2014

This whole situation was disgusting. They were keeping a fetus alive by making a corpse suck air. I can't even express my revulsion by all of this bullshit. Fucking monsters. I just hope this poor family is able to get over it without having nightmares for the rest of their lives. I think they certainly have grounds to sue the state and I hope they win so much that Texas has to raise taxes because of it. May God be with the family. I hope this horror is over soon.

ralps

(77,710 posts)
5. Here's a link to the article about the judge's court order
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:34 PM
Jan 2014
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-womans-family-asks-end-life-support-21647348

A judge has ordered a Texas hospital to remove life support for a pregnant, brain-dead woman.

Judge R. H. Wallace Jr. issued the ruling Friday in the case of Marlise Munoz. John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth has been keeping Munoz on life support against her family's wishes.

Munoz was 14 weeks pregnant when her husband found her unconscious Nov. 26, possibly due to a blood clot.

Erick Munoz says he and his wife are paramedics who were clear that they didn't want life support in this type of situation. His attorney argued that keeping the woman alive would set a dangerous precedent.
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JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
9. I'm glad he was able honor his wife's wishes
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 06:39 PM
Jan 2014

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And commitment and promise to do right by her.

ailsagirl

(22,893 posts)
13. Yes, after the heartbreak they'd undergone
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 07:07 PM
Jan 2014

with the hospital telling them they were going to keep her "alive," whether the family wanted it or not. Hasn't the family been through enough? Very sad all around.

I just read this:

More than 30 states have laws like that (which) restrict hospitals' ability to withdraw life-saving medical treatment from pregnant patients, according to legal experts.

That's terrible

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
14. What a ghastly, indecent, inhumane, & cruel ordeal to put that poor family through, courtesy of TX
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 07:26 PM
Jan 2014
forced birthers!
 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
15. This will be over fast
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 07:31 PM
Jan 2014

No party has standing to appeal the judge's ruling unless the state appeals and argues compelling interest on the part of Texas citizens. I don't think the latter would go far.

ellenfl

(8,660 posts)
29. that's my take. once the judge basically overturned the law keeping her on life support,
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 10:56 PM
Jan 2014

no one else should have standing to continue. i'm not an attorney but that would be my guess . . . unless texas has a different criteria for 'standing'. wouldn't be surprised. it could be terri schiavo all over again, just a different state.

Archae

(46,312 posts)
16. Terry Schiavo's husband had a court order to remove the feedng tube too.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 07:33 PM
Jan 2014

I took MONTHS after for the politicians to finally be told no more interference.

I have a hunch this will happen again.

NYC Liberal

(20,135 posts)
22. Remember Shrub rushing to DC in the middle of the night
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 08:32 PM
Jan 2014

while he was at the pig farm to sign that bill? I'd never seen him act so quickly on ANYTHING. Not even on 9/11, and not even with Katrina.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
21. It hasn't happened yet. They have until 5pm Monday...
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 08:16 PM
Jan 2014

I'm not celebrating until they've followed the family's wishes.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
25. Good news in a very sad case
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 09:52 PM
Jan 2014

One thing I wanted to point out from an article that was linked:

But in a joint affidavit stipulating the facts of the case filed shortly before Friday's hearing, it said that "at the time of this hearing, the fetus gestating inside Mrs. Munoz is not viable."


The hospital is saying they agree with the husband that the fetus is not viable. If it is not viable, then using the fact that she is pregnant to keep her on life support goes out the window.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
27. The judge gave the hospital until 5 p.m. CST Monday to remove life support.
Fri Jan 24, 2014, 10:33 PM
Jan 2014

01/24/14 05:48 PM ET (AP)

Marlise Munoz Case: Life Support For Brain Dead Pregnant Woman To Be Removed

FORT WORTH, Texas (AP) — A judge on Friday ordered a Texas hospital to remove life support for a pregnant, brain-dead woman whose family had argued that she would not want to be kept in that condition.

Judge R. H. Wallace Jr. issued the ruling in the case of Marlise Munoz. John Peter Smith Hospital in Fort Worth has been keeping Munoz on life support against her family's wishes. The judge gave the hospital until 5 p.m. CST Monday to remove life support.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/24/marlise-munoz-life-support_n_4661938.html

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
33. More than enough time for Reverend Rick Perry to intervene since he loves the unborn so much... n/t
Sat Jan 25, 2014, 02:54 AM
Jan 2014
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