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Bragi

(7,650 posts)
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 11:53 AM Jan 2014

CSEC used airport Wi-Fi to track Canadian travellers: Edward Snowden documents

Source: CBC News

A top secret document retrieved by U.S. whistleblower Edward Snowden and obtained by CBC News shows that Canada's electronic spy agency used information from the free internet service at a major Canadian airport to track the wireless devices of thousands of ordinary airline passengers for days after they left the terminal.

After reviewing the document, one of Canada's foremost authorities on cyber-security says the clandestine operation by the Communications Security Establishment Canada (CSEC) was almost certainly illegal.

Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csec-used-airport-wi-fi-to-track-canadian-travellers-edward-snowden-documents-1.2517881



As a Canadian, I am grateful to Edward Snowden for his whisleblowing revelations. Without him, there is simply no way that Canadians would now be aware of the extent of the illegal spying done by our government on Canadian citizens, and on others.
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CSEC used airport Wi-Fi to track Canadian travellers: Edward Snowden documents (Original Post) Bragi Jan 2014 OP
Huh. AtheistCrusader Jan 2014 #1
Unacceptable marions ghost Jan 2014 #2
americans also heaven05 Jan 2014 #3
Bad thing IMO marions ghost Jan 2014 #4
Comrade Eddie the Russian... SoapBox Jan 2014 #5
Who gives a shit if Harper hates him? laundry_queen Jan 2014 #7
WOLVERINES!!12 frylock Jan 2014 #8
don't understand dead_head Jan 2014 #10
But you don't get it jberryhill Jan 2014 #11
that was'ent my question dead_head Jan 2014 #14
Do you ever read those terms you agree to when you connect to a free wifi hotspot? jberryhill Jan 2014 #15
A couple of facts your viewpoint seems to miss: marions ghost Jan 2014 #12
Canada was never on his list of potential homes. ForgoTheConsequence Jan 2014 #13
I'm also thankful for his revelations laundry_queen Jan 2014 #6
NOTHING will happen here warrant46 Jan 2014 #9
Harper gov't taking MAJOR heat in the House on this. Cons lying about it. JBoy Jan 2014 #16
followup article: "MPs grill defence minister on spying revelation" BelgianMadCow Jan 2014 #17
Thank you, Edward Snowden n/t Titonwan Jan 2014 #18
CSEC Snowden docs: MPs grill defence minister on spying revelation jakeXT Feb 2014 #19

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
2. Unacceptable
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:09 PM
Jan 2014

All Canadians with a smartphone, tablet or laptop are "essentially carrying around digital dog tags as we go about our daily lives," Deibert says.

Anyone able to access the data that those devices leave behind on wireless hotspots, he says, can obtain "extraordinarily precise information about our movements and social relationships."

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
3. americans also
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:27 PM
Jan 2014

with these devices, face the same scrutiny. Hell passports have a chip in them now. Good or bad thing? Don't know. Just the fact of them being is the problem, I think.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
5. Comrade Eddie the Russian...
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:38 PM
Jan 2014

just keeps making more friends daily...guess you can cross Canada off your list of potential homes.

When are you going to tell us about the Russian spying stuff? Or how the Chinese spy on the world and their people? Oh ya, they would simply execute anyone telling their national secrets. Maybe try reveling some North Korea state stuff...dog food remind you of anything Eddie?

What a twisted little guy you are Eddie...and never, EVER to be an American again!

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
7. Who gives a shit if Harper hates him?
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:54 PM
Jan 2014

The Canadian people are grateful. This wouldn't have seen the light of day without Snowden. Everyone I know IRL is thankful for the revelations. But keep on with the name calling.

dead_head

(81 posts)
10. don't understand
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:20 PM
Jan 2014

If North Korea spies on its people it's bad but when north america does it it's good?

If a chinese ¨Edward snowden¨ would whistleblow what the chinese governement is doing, it would be a bad thing if you were a chinese? You would tell him to never be chinese again?

I really don't get that position that since russia probably does spie, we can't know about the fact that canadian government spies on its people too.

Please explain.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
11. But you don't get it
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:33 PM
Jan 2014

A government-operated facility which provides free government-operated WiFi was collecting the MAC id's of devices which is, of course, required as part of establishing a WiFi connection with a device! So, um, uh... gee.

dead_head

(81 posts)
14. that was'ent my question
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:48 PM
Jan 2014

Thanks for your imput but I was not asking about how they do it.

I was talking about the fact we are not supposed to know. Last time I went at the airport there was'ent signs that said ¨We are traking you¨

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. Do you ever read those terms you agree to when you connect to a free wifi hotspot?
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 02:17 PM
Jan 2014

Not only is there a sign, but you expressly agree to it.

Toronto Pearson Airport:

http://www.torontopearson.com/en/terms-of-use/##

Security

Information sent or received over the Internet is generally unsecured, and the GTAA cannot and does not make any representation or warranty concerning security of any communication to or from the Website(s), or any representation or warranty regarding the interception by third parties of personal or other information.


It's written in English.

However, my comment was not directed to your question in the first place. I was following up to geek tragedy's comment, as you might tell from looking at the thread structure.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
12. A couple of facts your viewpoint seems to miss:
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jan 2014

Problem 1) UNTIL SNOWDEN --nobody thought this was important to tell the American people (or Canadians or others around the world...) about this. Only the highest level officials knew it.

Problem 2) NOBODY among those high level officials thought it mattered that average citizens had no real protections against this type of unwarranted surveillance under current laws. They had the green light to collect it all, so they did. Very bad precedent.

---------------------------

And now we find out that this is Obama's pick for NSA director:

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/31/world/vice-admiral-to-be-named-nsa-director.html

"Mr. Obama’s decision to pick a military officer, rather than a civilian versed in civil liberties issues, was made weeks ago, when he rejected his own advisory panel’s recommendation that the N.S.A. and the United States Cyber Command have separate leaders. By law the command, the Pentagon’s four-year-old cyberwarfare organization, must be headed by a military officer.

The result is that Admiral Rogers, now the head of Fleet Cyber Command, the Navy’s fast-growing cyberunit, will find himself in the public cross hairs in a way he has never been during a 33-year military career. Starting with his confirmation hearings, expected to begin as soon as next month, the admiral will be pressed on how he would carry out a series of changes that Mr. Obama announced two weeks ago."

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
13. Canada was never on his list of potential homes.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:47 PM
Jan 2014

But good job going above and beyond for the neo-conservative Harper government. At least your showing your real allegiances.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
6. I'm also thankful for his revelations
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 12:51 PM
Jan 2014

this is totally illegal, so I'm interested to see what happens next.

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
9. NOTHING will happen here
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jan 2014

The people with the Whip Hand will say

Its the only way we can protect FREEDOM

And the SHEEP will genuflect and continue to live life, secure in their velvet fetters.

JBoy

(8,021 posts)
16. Harper gov't taking MAJOR heat in the House on this. Cons lying about it.
Fri Jan 31, 2014, 04:04 PM
Jan 2014
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csec-snowden-docs-no-sign-spy-agency-targets-canadians-minister-insists-1.2518564

Nothing in a document obtained by CBC News suggests Canada's communications spy agency used airport Wi-Fi to track Canadians, Defence Minister Rob Nicholson said today.

Under repeated questioning by opposition MPs, Nicholson didn't directly deny the story, but said that the document detailing work by the Communications Security Establishment Canada (CESC) doesn't show that Canadian communications were targeted or used.

"It's my understanding that CSEC made it clear to CBC that nothing in the documents that they had obtained showed that Canadian communications were targeted, collected, or used, nor that travellers' movements were tracked," Nicholson said in the House of Commons.

New Democrat MP David Christopherson asked Nicholson to categorically deny the agency has tracked Canadians, but Nicholson returned to his response about the CSEC commissioner.


When the minister responsible won't respond to a direct question that would put it to bed, you know he's lying.

jakeXT

(10,575 posts)
19. CSEC Snowden docs: MPs grill defence minister on spying revelation
Sat Feb 1, 2014, 10:34 AM
Feb 2014

Opposition MPs say the government has to do more to reassure Canadians after a document newly released by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden suggested Canada's communications spy agency tracked people through free airport Wi-Fi.

The top secret document shows Canada's electronic spy agency used information from the free internet service at a major Canadian airport to track the wireless devices of thousands of ordinary airline passengers for days after they left the terminal.

Under repeated questioning by opposition MPs on Friday, Defence Minister Rob Nicholson didn't directly deny the story, but said that the document detailing work by the Communications Security Establishment Canada (CSEC) doesn't show that Canadian communications were targeted or used.

New Democrat House Leader Nathan Cullen said the government needs to offer proof no Canadians were tracked.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/csec-snowden-docs-mps-grill-defence-minister-on-spying-revelation-1.2518564

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