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cal04

(41,505 posts)
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:35 PM Feb 2014

Bridget Kelly invokes Fifth Amendment, declines to produce subpoened document

Source: The Record

Governor Christie's former deputy chief of staff, Bridget Kelly, will not turn over documents in response to a legislative subpoena, her lawyer said Monday, making her the second person to invoke constitutional protections against self-incrimination.

The information demanded by a legislative committee about the George Washington Bridge lane closures "directly overlaps with a parallel federal grand jury investigation," a letter from attorney Michael Critchley, Sr. to the committee's special counsel states. The letter, obtained by The Record, also cites her right to privacy.

"Moreover, providing the Committee with unfettered access to, among other things, Ms. Kelly's personal diaries, calendars and all of her electronic devices amounts to an inappropriate and unlimited invasion of Ms. Kelly's personal privacy and would also potentially reveal highly personal confidential communications completely unrelated to the reassignment of access lanes to the George Washignton Bridge," Critchley wrote.

Already released records show that Kelly sent an e-mail to a Port Authority executive weeks before the lane closures: "Time for some traffic problems in Fort Lee," it said. Christie fired Kelly last month after the e-mail surfaced. He also cut ties with his former campaign manager, Bill Stepien, whose attorney last week also declined to produce the documents requested by a subpoena.


Read more: http://www.northjersey.com/news/Bridget_Kelly_invokes_Fifth_Amendment_declines_to_produce_subpoened_documents.html



Bridge scandal: Bridget Kelly refuses to turn over documents subpoenaed by legislative committee

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In a letter issued today by the lawyer for Kelly, who last month was fired as Gov. Chris Christie’s deputy chief of staff after emails emerged showing she had apparently orchestrated lane closures at the bridge, Kelly cited both her Fifth Amendment constitutional right against self-incrimination and Fourth Amendment right against wrongful search and seizure as she denied the requests.

Michael Critchley, Kelly’s lawyer — widely known as an aggressive and highly skilled, tactical trial lawyer – wrote that, “Here, the information demanded from Ms. Kelly … directly overlaps with a parallel federal grand jury investigation being conducted by the United States Attorney’s Office for the District of New Jersey. As such … Kelly asserts her rights under the Fifth Amendment of the United States constitution and New Jersey law and will not produce the information demanded by the Committee.”

Critchley sent his letter late today to Reid Schar, special counsel to the joint Senate and Assembly committee leading an investigation into the September lane closures.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2014/02/bridge_scandal_bridget_kelly_objects_to_legislative_subpeona_refuses_to_turn_over_documents.html
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Bridget Kelly invokes Fifth Amendment, declines to produce subpoened document (Original Post) cal04 Feb 2014 OP
He is not going to be able to rebuild an organization by 2016 Warpy Feb 2014 #1
The way this is going, he's not going to need an organization, and he can forget 2020 too. George II Feb 2014 #11
Christie is going to prison. Misuse of Sandy funds will stick even if nothing else does. another_liberal Feb 2014 #12
I think you are right about this. The republicans in Congress.. Walk away Feb 2014 #35
I wouldnt count on the misuse of funds nailing him as like cockroaches cstanleytech Feb 2014 #40
He has powerful friends . . . another_liberal Feb 2014 #43
I hope it's prison for him. Whisp Feb 2014 #52
lawyers, how the heck can she say frag off? How can she refuse to produce stuff roguevalley Feb 2014 #23
Shes hoping to buy time to work out a plea deal most likely and if the prosecutor is stupid cstanleytech Feb 2014 #41
This is a good thing... NancyDL Feb 2014 #48
The Fifth Amendment only covers testimony. rug Feb 2014 #2
What kind of laywer wouldn't know this? AAO Feb 2014 #3
Maybe that's why he raised a privacy argument. Good luck with that. rug Feb 2014 #5
One way or another - she's going behind bars. AAO Feb 2014 #6
Suphoenas legally issued can be challenged as to excessive scope and breadth; a Judge will decide. Fred Sanders Feb 2014 #20
It's not so simple as you think. Gerhard28 Feb 2014 #54
There limits to the privilege Gothmog Feb 2014 #57
When DIRECTLY quoting whole paragraphs (as you did) from another source ... 66 dmhlt Feb 2014 #61
As someone suggested upthread... TroglodyteScholar Feb 2014 #55
Yup......even shithouse lawyers know that. Historic NY Feb 2014 #10
Here is a good thread by some DU lawyers on this issue Gothmog Feb 2014 #13
Thanks. Good stuff there, especially about testimony by production. rug Feb 2014 #18
Toast? gussmith Feb 2014 #24
Who does she think she is? Scairp Feb 2014 #32
Christie's administration is challenging the 5th Amendment? For that alone, he's toast. n/t targetpractice Feb 2014 #46
Is this not a fitting judgment? Ratty Feb 2014 #4
oh, so now they call it "reassignment of access lanes to the George Washignton Bridge," n/t 2pooped2pop Feb 2014 #7
I don't know if she can cite the fifth in this case since it is material related to public service Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #8
Here is a thread on this issue by some DU lawyers Gothmog Feb 2014 #14
Haven't we had public officials claim the Fifth before Congressional committees? n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #36
For testimony yes, but I am unaware of them using it to block the release of public documents Bjorn Against Feb 2014 #38
And then 'I'll submit that later' came into playf or documents, correct. n/t freshwest Feb 2014 #39
Jail Time? chuckstevens Feb 2014 #9
The next step will be a show cause motion where she could go to jail for contempt Gothmog Feb 2014 #16
Send her to Gitmo. Timez Squarez Feb 2014 #17
Yes it's obstruction Scairp Feb 2014 #33
Get A Rope...nt bkanderson76 Feb 2014 #15
I think she's got the goods on everybody Mr.Bill Feb 2014 #19
Definitely she wants immunity NastyRiffraff Feb 2014 #22
She's simply trying to raise the value of what she has Mr.Bill Feb 2014 #25
Sing Sing Sing or goto Sing Sing AndyTiedye Feb 2014 #27
Sing sing sing? Don't mind if I do! rocktivity Feb 2014 #30
Best Big Band Track Ever AndyTiedye Feb 2014 #37
Damn, haven't heard that in years groundloop Feb 2014 #42
try this The Wizard Feb 2014 #44
Yes, that makes sense NastyRiffraff Feb 2014 #29
Sorry Ms. Kelly but if you were sending out emails or texts about state government then .... Botany Feb 2014 #21
Good Call! chuckstevens Feb 2014 #26
In related news: Chris Christie has insisted Bridgit Kelly release all documents.... Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #28
thanks cal! Bookmarking! Cha Feb 2014 #31
When govt officials use non-official email address for official business they should turn it over.nt Bernardo de La Paz Feb 2014 #34
My thought... Jeff In Milwaukee Feb 2014 #50
Fifth Amendment doesn't protect existing documents The Second Stone Feb 2014 #45
And the Bully Throws His Minions to feed the Wolves at the Door.. NancyDL Feb 2014 #47
Privacy??? It's amazing how these tools are worried about "privacy" when truth2power Feb 2014 #49
Give her immunity workinclasszero Feb 2014 #51
I wonder which of his cronies is going to sing first Dopers_Greed Feb 2014 #53
Kelly's lawyer is relying on the Act of Production concept Gothmog Feb 2014 #56
Does this mean she's not plea bargaining yet? marble falls Feb 2014 #58
BridgeGhazi bridget is counting on GOP "omerta"... johnfunk Feb 2014 #59
They lawyered up and pleaded the fifth fast. But, there is still nothing to see here Nanjing to Seoul Feb 2014 #60

Warpy

(111,141 posts)
1. He is not going to be able to rebuild an organization by 2016
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:37 PM
Feb 2014

Every single person he blames for this is being thrown under the bus. He'll be left in office without loyalists surrounding him and without loyalists to help run a campaign.

He's toast for 2016. He might be back in 2020.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
12. Christie is going to prison. Misuse of Sandy funds will stick even if nothing else does.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:57 PM
Feb 2014

In my opinion, Kelly is just delaying in hopes of turning State's Witness with immunity.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
35. I think you are right about this. The republicans in Congress..
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 10:58 PM
Feb 2014

will want his head over Sandy funds after he actually bullied them in public over it. He has no friends in government. Both sides hate him and nobody fears him anymore. The Feds will be turning him out for years.

cstanleytech

(26,234 posts)
40. I wouldnt count on the misuse of funds nailing him as like cockroaches
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:18 PM
Feb 2014

politicians like him are very difficult to get rid of.

 

another_liberal

(8,821 posts)
43. He has powerful friends . . .
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 12:00 AM
Feb 2014

That much is true. Some of his enemies, though, are also powerful, and there are many more of them.

 

Whisp

(24,096 posts)
52. I hope it's prison for him.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 01:59 PM
Feb 2014

For him to get away with this would be the nail in some last coffin somewhere.

I didn't follow the Blogovitch story that closely but compared to Christie, that guy was an innocent lamb in what he did.

Prison for Christie! Lots of it!

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
23. lawyers, how the heck can she say frag off? How can she refuse to produce stuff
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:46 PM
Feb 2014

that was if for no other reason was made when she was working for the state. she can't refuse what doesn't in the main belong to her, right?

cstanleytech

(26,234 posts)
41. Shes hoping to buy time to work out a plea deal most likely and if the prosecutor is stupid
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:27 PM
Feb 2014

enough he or she will grant it without thinking about it first.

NancyDL

(140 posts)
48. This is a good thing...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:39 AM
Feb 2014

Christie is the only half way reasonable candidate the Republicans have, and so those in the Tea Party Wing hate him. Even tarnished, it's possible he could have pulled enough independents to make a good run of it. Are there any non-bozos in the running on the right? I can't think of even one.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
5. Maybe that's why he raised a privacy argument. Good luck with that.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:47 PM
Feb 2014

Sounds like he's peppering the record for appeal.

Bye-bye Brigid.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. Suphoenas legally issued can be challenged as to excessive scope and breadth; a Judge will decide.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:31 PM
Feb 2014
 

Gerhard28

(59 posts)
54. It's not so simple as you think.
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:16 PM
Feb 2014

Well-established case law holds that if a person voluntarily creates and possesses self-incriminating documents, he or she may nevertheless have to produce them in response to a subpoena. That is the law notwithstanding the privilege against self-incrimination, because the creation of such documents is not "compelled" within the meaning of the Fifth Amendment. (See Fisher v. United States, 425 U.S. 391, 409-410 (1976).)

Even so, the act of producing documents may compel a person to implicitly or inherently admit that responsive papers exist, are in that person's possession or control, and are authentic. In such circumstances, the production of documents is testimonial and, because compelled, may be privileged under the Fifth Amendment. Whether the privilege applies turns on whether the act of production is likely to be incriminating(See United States v. Hubbell, 530 U.S. 27, 36-37 (2000) (affirming dismissal of charges, based on Fifth Amendment violation.)

Gothmog

(144,919 posts)
57. There limits to the privilege
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 03:02 PM
Feb 2014

I think that the forgone conclusion exemption applies here. It is a forgone conclusion that e-mails exist as to the bridge matter

66 dmhlt

(1,941 posts)
61. When DIRECTLY quoting whole paragraphs (as you did) from another source ...
Wed Feb 5, 2014, 11:56 AM
Feb 2014
(Unless you're actually the author - Anthony DeCorso)

(1)
You should put those paragraphs in Blockquotes:

Well-established case law holds that if a person voluntarily creates and possesses self-incriminating documents, he or she may nevertheless have to produce them in response to a subpoena. That is the law notwithstanding the privilege against self-incrimination, because the creation of such documents is not "compelled" within the meaning of the Fifth Amendment. (See Fisher v. United States, 425 U.S. 391, 409-410 (1976).)

Even so, the act of producing documents may compel a person to implicitly or inherently admit that responsive papers exist, are in that person's possession or control, and are authentic. In such circumstances, the production of documents is testimonial and, because compelled, may be privileged under the Fifth Amendment. Whether the privilege applies turns on whether the act of production is likely to be incriminating(See United States v. Hubbell, 530 U.S. 27, 36-37 (2000) (affirming dismissal of charges, based on Fifth Amendment violation.)


(2)
You should cite your source:
http://www.callawyer.com/Clstory.cfm?eid=920910

TroglodyteScholar

(5,477 posts)
55. As someone suggested upthread...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:24 PM
Feb 2014

I can only imagine this is a stalling tactic.

She's protected against giving self-incriminating testimony, but she doesn't get to decide whether to provide subpoenaed documents--and everyone knows that.

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
10. Yup......even shithouse lawyers know that.
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:56 PM
Feb 2014

1. “Despite its cherished position, the Fifth Amendment addresses
only a relatively narrow scope of inquiries.” It only applies to
testimony “that will subject its giver to criminal liability.”
Garner v. United States, 96 S.Ct. 1178, 1183 (1976).

Gothmog

(144,919 posts)
13. Here is a good thread by some DU lawyers on this issue
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:59 PM
Feb 2014
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024427107

I personally believe that this claim of privilege will not stand up. The next step will be to file a show cause motion and to argue this privilege claim before a state court judge.

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
32. Who does she think she is?
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 10:50 PM
Feb 2014

Above the law I guess, just like her former boss. She HAS to produce those documents, full stop.

Ratty

(2,100 posts)
4. Is this not a fitting judgment?
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:44 PM
Feb 2014

They used their personal accounts to avoid leaving an official trail. I say this is exactly what they get.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
8. I don't know if she can cite the fifth in this case since it is material related to public service
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:53 PM
Feb 2014

Maybe some lawyers want to chime in on this because I don't pretend to be an expert on New Jersey law, but my belief is that communications sent out as part of a government job are considered to be the property of the public rather than the official that is sending them. I realize that Kelly broke the rules and used her personal e-mail account, but if I am not mistaken these e-mails would still be considered public record because the law specifies that public e-mail is supposed to be used in all official government communications and I do not believe that breaking that law gives a person immunity from having to hand over those communications.

Any lawyers can correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe a government official can cite the fifth as a reason to keep official government communications private.

 

chuckstevens

(1,201 posts)
9. Jail Time?
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 08:54 PM
Feb 2014

If she won't talk, that's her right, but if she won't turn over documents or destroyed them, doesn't that constitute obstruction of justice?

Oh wait... It's OK: she's a Republican! Ken Star can demand a stained dress, but she doesn't have to turn over documents. I am SO FUCKING SICK OF REPUBLICAN HYPOCRISY!

Gothmog

(144,919 posts)
16. The next step will be a show cause motion where she could go to jail for contempt
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:02 PM
Feb 2014

As I understand the procedure, the next step is a motion to show cause and if she loses that motion, she can be put in jail for contempt

Scairp

(2,749 posts)
33. Yes it's obstruction
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 10:53 PM
Feb 2014

If she has what they want and it they haven't been destroyed then she might avoid a contempt charge. If she's destroyed anything and is trying to avoid an obstruction charge in this feeble attempt to take five, she is in deep shit.

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
19. I think she's got the goods on everybody
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:22 PM
Feb 2014

and she's taking a negotiating stance looking for an immunity deal.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
22. Definitely she wants immunity
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:37 PM
Feb 2014

but I'm not sure of her (or her lawyer's) strategy here. I really thought she would sing; she still may in fact. But it's hard to understand what she's doing.

Mr.Bill

(24,238 posts)
25. She's simply trying to raise the value of what she has
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:59 PM
Feb 2014

(or at least the perception of it's value) by withholding it in order to get the best deal. It's also beginning to look like anyone who's in this mess needs immunity on both a state and federal level. This is going to drag on for years. Even if Christie is innocent of everything, he will be too old to run for president by the time he is cleared.

Dozens of lawyers are going to make their careers on this thing. And retire rich.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
37. Best Big Band Track Ever
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:02 PM
Feb 2014

The full version is over 12 minutes long.

No singing at all, of course. I'm sure there's a story behind that title.

groundloop

(11,513 posts)
42. Damn, haven't heard that in years
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 11:33 PM
Feb 2014

Thanks for posting. I was glad to see that I still know the words to it.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
29. Yes, that makes sense
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 10:38 PM
Feb 2014

Withholding value often does increase the value. It's a risky dance and one can overreach, though. But you're right about this dragging on.

Botany

(70,447 posts)
21. Sorry Ms. Kelly but if you were sending out emails or texts about state government then ....
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 09:36 PM
Feb 2014

.... those are not your private property. If I were you I would cop a deal and sing like
a canary.


 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
28. In related news: Chris Christie has insisted Bridgit Kelly release all documents....
Mon Feb 3, 2014, 10:28 PM
Feb 2014

Insisting he has nothing to hide.

Jeff In Milwaukee

(13,992 posts)
50. My thought...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 11:34 AM
Feb 2014

These were documents created by a state employee on government time. Don't they technically belong to the government in the first place? Wouldn't refusing to produce these documents be tantamount to theft?

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
45. Fifth Amendment doesn't protect existing documents
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:13 AM
Feb 2014

it protects against having to testify against yourself.

NancyDL

(140 posts)
47. And the Bully Throws His Minions to feed the Wolves at the Door..
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 05:35 AM
Feb 2014

...Even though her arrogance brought this on, I feel sorry for this woman. In the near and distant past, I found work with politicians, both left and right. This is the way many of them operate, especially on the right, although I've seen it on the left, as well.

truth2power

(8,219 posts)
49. Privacy??? It's amazing how these tools are worried about "privacy" when
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 07:56 AM
Feb 2014

it's their OWN sorry asses that are on the line.

Of course, if the American people, as a whole, want privacy, they can just STFU!

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
53. I wonder which of his cronies is going to sing first
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:06 PM
Feb 2014

Or maybe they are too afraid of being encased in cement and thrown into the Hudson River.

Gothmog

(144,919 posts)
56. Kelly's lawyer is relying on the Act of Production concept
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 02:59 PM
Feb 2014

Generally the act of production and the concept of testimony by production only applies when (i) when the existence of the document in questions is unknown and (ii) the act of producing the document is in effect testimony as to the accuracy, authenticity and authorship of the document. If the existence of the document in question is a foregone conclusion, then the act of production privilege does not exist. Here is a good explanation of this concept http://www.lrrlaw.com/files/Uploads/Documents/Gilson_ActofProduction_CrimLitNL.pdf

I have read the lawyer from Kelly's lawyer. This letter relies on the Hubble case where Webster Hubble produced 13,000+ pages of documents that the government could not describe adequately to subpoena such documents that were produced pursuant to a grant of immunity. The SCOTUS held that the government did not prove that it was not a forgone conclusion that these document existed. http://sol.lp.findlaw.com/1999/hubbell.html

Here, by way of the contrast, "the Government has not shown that it had any prior knowledge of either the existence or the whereabouts of the 13,120 pages of documents ultimately produced by the respondent." Thus, "[w]hatever the scope of this ‘foregone conclusion’ rationale, the facts of this case plainly fall outside of it."

In short, Hubbell’s act of producing the subpoenaed documents pursuant to an immunity order and of answering the standard custodial questions as to whether he had produced all of the requested documents, fell squarely within the ambit of Kastigar. Accordingly, the Government would have to meet the stringent Kastigar test in order to proceed to trial. This the Government was, by its own admission, unable to do.

I think that the existence of e-mails from a private account used by Kelly are foregone conclusions and that the act of production doctrine does not apply. I really doubt that the act of production doctrine will protect these documents in that the government knows that Kelly had sent e-mails on this topic and there are other e-mails that are in existence.

The next step will be to litigate the extent of this privilege and I doubt that Kelly will win this issue but she may buy some time to negotiate a plea deal with US Attorney

johnfunk

(6,113 posts)
59. BridgeGhazi bridget is counting on GOP "omerta"...
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 06:34 PM
Feb 2014

... but watch Wildstein turn on his high school BFF...er, um, passing acquaintance Christie before you can say "looks like the GOP is running Rand Paul/Sarah Palin in '16"!

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
60. They lawyered up and pleaded the fifth fast. But, there is still nothing to see here
Tue Feb 4, 2014, 08:25 PM
Feb 2014

Krisp Krispy is innocent. And to prove that, he's ready to pack on another 50 pounds.

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