The GOP Has It Wrong: Obamacare Won't 'Cost' 2 Million Jobs

[Grassy Knoll]

Source: talkingpointsmemo.com

Republicans thought they found a gold mine when the Congressional Budget Office released its latest report Tuesday on the federal budget and Obamacare. They seized on one line in particular:

The reduction in CBO’s projections of hours worked represents a decline in the number of full-time-equivalent workers of about 2.0 million in 2017, rising to about 2.5 million in 2024
They had a new talking point: President Obama's hated health care reform law would cost more than 2 million American jobs.

"Obamacare To Print Even More Pink Slips," read the subject of the Senate Republican conference email blasted out after the report's release.
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The CBO report, in fact, specifically undermines that claim. Those lost hours will "almost entirely" be the result of people choosing to work fewer hours because of Obamacare -- not because they lost their jobs or can't find a full-time job.

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/obamacare-cbo-report-jobs

[alp227]

1. hey Republicons! YOU LIE!

[Fred Sanders]

16. Workers CHOOSE to supply labor, and can withdraw it, THAT tidbit from the report must be silenced.

[Demenace]

2. But you know this is about taking a line and building a perspective, right?

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These folks in the GOP who do not have any problem lying about anything, surely will not miss a beat with running with the 'cost 2 million jobs' line or would they?

We the people can now work away from shitty 'bosses' and jobs but do not let this change the minds of the GOP!

[passiveporcupine]

7. I think you meant something different

Perspection‎

Urban Dictionary
When a drunk guy at a bar tries to say perspective and perception at the same time.

:lol: Sorry, the urban dictionary definition was too funny to pass up.

[bobclark86]

3. You do realize...

they're counting people whose employer is hacking their hours, right? Like my roommate, who was cut from 35 to 28 hours a week.

[bhikkhu]

23. There is nothing currently in effect that would cause the employer to do that

...and employers have been cutting people down to part time for a long time, only now they blame it on Obamacare. In reality, the provision that might have led to that was postponed until 2015.

[1StrongBlackMan]

4. I'll have to read the CBO report; but ...

If the "job loss is almost entirely due to workers choosing to leave the labor force/reduce their hours", wouldn't the jobs still be there, i.e., their departure would open up jobs for some of the unemployed?

[Demenace]

5. Exactly, would that not be an opportunity creator in the real world...

...but you know the GOP does not know of the existence of the real world!

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. As a tail-end Baby Boomer ...

born in 1961, I spend a majority of my career looking up and seeing managers 5-10 years older than me. I used to joke that if I wanted to move up, there would have to be a train-wreck or pandemic flu out-break.

As I did my time, I counted any number of folks above me that were holding on to their jobs for one reason, and one reason only ... benefits. With the ACA, these folks can now retire and the log-jam will be broken ... though too late for me ... as folks retire and other folks move up or in.

That can't be a bad thing.

The only bad thing I see (and I am charged with planning for) is the sudden "brain-drain"/lose of institutional knowledge/memory, within my company, as well as planning some semblance of order in planning all the intra-company job movement.

(But in HR, that's called job security!)

[Ishoutandscream2]

10. Born in 61 as well, and you are so right

"Hey, I don't have to work this shitty job anymore because of the benefits. I can move on to something else I may like, maybe even start my own business. Or heck, just retire." As you said, "that can't be a bad thing." A great selling point for the ACA, in my opinion.

[PatrynXX]

11. hence how they sell Russian Gas masks

claiming it protects you from Nuclear fallout. smh not likely... now they all have their (idiotic name) "Bug Out" bags oh dear. someone spooked those guys. lol

Seriously though where I go for my health Everyone used to be so Republican there. I've noticed a switch of late. Many of them are going on about how crazy the current Republicans are. And how suddenly the ACA really seems to be working and cutting down their workload. Making things flow. They don't entirely say they won't vote Republicans again but they refer to them as Crazy Republicans. True I think this Unity Point thing is silly in Iowa but my Medicare Insurance switched from Windsor to Aetna /CVS and now all these meds that required pre approval just go poof. New med I'm on $1.00 one I that Windsor fucked me over and over for years was my acid reflux meds. Wellmark was a part of BC/BS but it wasn't. No I don't get it. So I basically paid out my ass with help from parents near $400 a month and they had a $1000 deductable on meds. Well that knocked my Prevacid off fast. ($170 a month at the time) But then I went for the cheapest in that catagory. Nexium. No No NO. even pre approval nope. One month of this CVS/Aetna approved $3.60 O_O

wow. Although I'm told my stress of late has raised my blood sugar to a bad level. Hopefully I can get it down... Hey whats reality. 50 Perm jobs for the XL Pipeline gonna cost us an arm and a leg. Then they go after the ACA on a really false number. Just means people get to work less. Maybe for the same pay. Whoops.

[liberalmike27]

12. The Biggest Loss

Is in governors and State legislatures not enacting the Medicaid portion of the bill, for their State's poor.

In Alabama, our governor Bentley was recently touting 100 tech jobs he brought to Alabama. At the same time, by rejecting the Medicaid, he prevented 34,000 jobs (estimated by a study) that won't be created by accepting the Medicaid money. Obviously hospitals will be busier, will have to hire more doctors and nurses, and staff. Then other jobs will be created to service them. Hospitals that will now close, would have stayed open.

Job losses mostly exist, by Republicans turning down the Medicaid money, and allowing the poor to stay sick, or worse, die.

[quadrature]

8. taking money from young people of the working class ...

even if it is only $100 a month,
and sending it to the 1%ers...

would seem to me to kill demand
for affordable housing, cars,
fast food places, etc

[chuckstevens]

9. TOO LATE!

Republicans knowingly lie about anything that would make the president or the Democrats look good, the media repeats the lie as fact, wimpy Democrats ineffectively try to inform the public about the truth, and the White House doesn't use to bully pulpit to slam the factually challenged GOP and their sound machine.

FDR, Harry Truman, or LBJ: where are you?

[Iliyah]

13. The lie has been imprinted in the minds of their ill informated base.

Its like the "death panel" during the 2010 elections and even up to present, their die hard base is still repeating that bullshit lie all the while their political party (GOP) right now is conducting "death panels" themselves in denying Medicaid for their constituents.

[red dog 1]

14. WaPo "No. Obamacare Will Not Kill 2 Million Jobs"

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2014/-2/04/no-cbo-did-not-say-obamacare-will-kill-2-million-jobs/

[Fred Sanders]

15. Only 3 Pinnochios because........it is complex enough that Republicans can only lie for a while?

[SunSeeker]

17. Shouldn't the headline be "ACA will make 2.5 million jobs available"?

I mean, if 2.5 million workers withdraw from the labor force, those jobs don't disappear just because the worker quit. They become job OPENINGS for all those folks still looking for jobs. This gives young people way more job opportunities, since they are the least likely to withdraw from the labor force as a result of getting insurance.

[Zambero]

18. Demagoguery 101, This week's GOP lesson

"There is no difference whatsoever between scenarios where (1) workers voluntarily scale back their work hours as a result of an eased financial burden, as compared to (2) employers who terminate jobs".



Figure lie and liars will figure, especially when and where Republicans are desperate to regain absolute control of the gov't.

[polmaven]

19. And how often do they

have anything right??

[nenagh]

20. New frame on Morning Joe, supported by Michael Steele...

Obama gifts free healthcare to people who quit their jobs in order to live on taxpayer handouts and now taxpayer paid free healthcare..

***SOCIALISM**** *****Others*** Mooching off us hard working Americans***** ****Free Health Care, if you quit your job**

Sickening how the Rs manipulate the frame until it attatched like Velcro to the Fox- hyped negative belief gestaults that their media industry has created in their viewers.

[SmittynMo]

21. The GOP is NEVER correct.

They are morons, making an attempt to destroy our country again. And they will stop at nothing to accomplish their goal.

In this case, its all about the BLACK president attempting to make it better for everyone. When the GOP decided to stop Obama at all costs in his first term, they were bound and determined to make that happen. They don't care who they trample all over to get their way. They are nothing but lying racists. I can't wait for November to get them out of power.

[proudretiredvet]

22. I'm sorry but the math does not work for me and the people around me.

Most of the people in my social world are barely scraping by. If they lose hours for any reason then that money will have to be made up by more food stamps, or assistance or something. And that something will more than likely come from our government.
The true facts is that they will not willingly give up hours. They will do as they have been doing for a long time. Work as much as they can and hope that no one gets sick or injured.
At this end of the line there is no option to just walk away from income without it being replaced from somewhere every month.

[greymattermom]

24. older men younger women

I've know several older men who have stayed in their jobs well past age 66 to get health insurance for their younger wives who had preexisting conditions. This problem will be solved now and they can retire. There are folks who work just for benefits, and now they can choose not to.

[MADem]

27. I had a retirement-eligible neighbor (female) who was staying on her job at a

university NOT because she made any money at it (she didn't, really, and the aggravation of commuting to work, buying clothes for work, etc. made the whole process miserable) but because the health care was REALLY good and her husband had some expensive issues. She was paying a bundle for it, too. I wonder if the ACA has improved her life--I'm guessing it has!

[Loaded Liberal Dem]

25. Does the GOP ever get it RIGHT???

[liberal N proud]

26. But they put the lie out there and now they will make the sheep believe it.