Carney suggests Moscow behind leaked Ukraine call

[Jesus Malverde]

Source: The Hill

The White House is suggesting that Moscow is behind a leaked phone call in which a top U.S. official can be heard saying "f--k the EU.”

In the call, which was anonymously posted on YouTube, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and U.S. Ambassador to the Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt lay out their desired outcome for the crisis in Ukraine and accuse the European Union of not doing enough. White House spokesman Jay Carney said Thursday that the Russians tweeted out a link to the leaked recording, suggesting they were involved.

"The video was first noted and tweeted out by the Russian government," Carney said. "I think it says something about Russia's role."
He stopped short of directly saying Russia was responsible for intercepting the call, however.

And State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki accused Russia of reaching "a new low."


Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs/europe/197656-carney-blames-moscow-for-leaked-ukraine-call

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[denverbill]

1. OMG. Intercepting our phone calls? That is a new low, for them anyway.n/t

[Jesus Malverde]

2. Amid US-Russia tussle over Ukraine, a leaked tape of Victoria Nuland

A tape uploaded to YouTube on Feb. 4 appears to be a confidential conversation between Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland and US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoffrey Pyatt.

The State Department hasn't yet commented on the video – and it's possible that the conversation was faked. However, the White House is blaming the Russians for the leak, which probably tells you that it's the real deal. If not, it's an amazing piece of mimicry of how senior US diplomats speak in private.

The leak – if that is what it is – comes as tensions ratchet up between the US and Russia over Ukraine.

http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Security-Watch/Backchannels/2014/0206/Amid-US-Russia-tussle-over-Ukraine-a-leaked-tape-of-Victoria-Nuland

[Renew Deal]

3. Everyone is spying on everyone

And I doubt any communication medium is secure.

[Jesus Malverde]

5. I'm dying to know how they got this...

Ironic if the russians could now control the NSA intercepts. I assume the diplomats were on a secure line.

Interesting to hear how the sausage gets made.

[okaawhatever]

7. I would think the intercept would have happened on the Ukraine end. That, or maybe a Ukrainian

official sympathetic to Russia helped.

[MADem]

4. Funny how they pretend they've got the moral high ground...!

Pootie and Company are experts at this shit. They could teach USA more than a few tricks.

[joshcryer]

12. the weird thing about this release...

'fuck the EU' could empower the protesters, so I don't understand why this was leaked

[MADem]

13. Pootie wants the conversation to be on anything but the pisspoor preparations for Sochi, I guess...

and the "toothpaste terra threat" that goes along with it!

[joshcryer]

14. It boggles my mind.

Do they really think that the protesters care whether the US is meddling or not? The "fuck the EU" tells them that the US doesn't give a shit and that they're on their own, which is what they've been feeling all along. Especially shitting on Vitali, their leader. I mean, it literally reenforces their own beliefs that the US doesn't care about their agency, so 1) it makes them be even more skeptical of the US and 2) it makes them more for the EU.

What does that mean? Well for one it means that if the US is going to make inroads it will now have to provide substantiative support and actually show the protesters that the US cares. The US has largely stayed out of it, so it is a win win for the protesters, since their leader will now have to be contacted and respected (when before he was trying to be subverted).

This is a stupid move by Russia. US intelligence is probably drooling at the opportunity Russia just provided.

[quadrature]

15. so Obama supports Putin?

the world needs to know,
one way or the other.

[joshcryer]

16. The US wants NATO in Ukraine.

Whatever that takes. Russia wants Ukraine to be a new Iron Curtain.

[quadrature]

17. hmmm. very interesting.

thanks for your comment.

will have to think about that
for awhile.

[joshcryer]

18. I don't think either side is any good.

I don't even think the Ukrainian culture is particularly enviable (they have their own post-Soviet segregations and nationalist issues). I think the protesters are a reaction to that segregation and I think ultimately the protests are more about the anti-protest law than they are about geopolitical issues.

They are literally protesting just to protest not being able to protest. Literally.

And the US basically doesn't care about the domestic issues, the US only cares about meddling to change the geopolitical dynamic. The same goes for Russia.

[davidpdx]

20. There isn't anything that is going to cover up the stink from the Sochi Olympics

They and their feckless followers can keep trying to blame Obama. I only have one thing to say to them: Fuck off

[davidpdx]

19. Yes it is funny

Because they are FUCKING hypocrites. Yes, did you hear that you Putin defenders. Russia is shit. So is their so called "free" media.

[jakeXT]

6. I bet Klitschko is pissed /nt

[TwilightGardener]

8. Keepin' it classy.

[Demenace]

9. Oh my, I thought only the NSA did stuff like this from reading comments around here!

Where is Snowden and Glenn Greenwald? I hope they are on this case of Russia intercepting phone conversations between two Americans.

I forgot, these two are not Americans since they are officials of the government of the United states!

[Jesus Malverde]

10. Their calls were "overseas" so it was incidental...nt

[Demenace]

11. Are you saying the NSA 'incidently' spied on these American...

Or it is okay for the Russians to spy on these American because this is happening "overseas", which is it?

[bemildred]

21. "Feeble" is the only word I can think of.

Again the usual assumption that if somebody in DC wants to lead, the rest of the world has a duty to follow.