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alp227

(32,004 posts)
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 02:12 AM Feb 2014

Former CIA Head: Pollard Incarceration Is Anti-Semitism

Source: Arutz Sheva

Former CIA Director James Woolsey reiterated his call for the release of Jonathan Pollard, now in his 29th year behind American bars over charges of spying for Israel. His calls follow those by many senior security officials asking for Pollard's release.

Speaking to Arutz 10, Woolsey argued "after a quarter century the time has come to free him. That doesn't mean that what he did wasn't serious, I've seen the materials in 1993 and he disclosed very confidential content. But I tell people 'imagine he's a Greek American and free him.'"

In 2012, Woolsey wrote a sharp letter to the Wall Street Journal, in which he brought examples of various spies released after 10 years, calling on the US to "pretend Pollard isn't Jewish and release him." He noted that "one especially damaging Greek-American spy, Steven Lalas, received a 14-year sentence."

The argument that Pollard's ongoing incarceration is a result of American anti-Semitism was made by Tablet magazine and by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) in January.

Read more: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/177230

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Former CIA Head: Pollard Incarceration Is Anti-Semitism (Original Post) alp227 Feb 2014 OP
Really. I don't think so. lostincalifornia Feb 2014 #1
R. James Woolsey, Jr. R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #2
Oddly enough, that Wikipedia entry leaves out JINSA starroute Feb 2014 #5
That my friend is what is called 'hiding in plain sight'... Demenace Feb 2014 #6
Umm that does seem to me to be an anti-Jewish The Second Stone Feb 2014 #22
And your point is? Demenace Feb 2014 #23
What is your point? Behind the Aegis Feb 2014 #38
Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #40
As a non Jew I call out antisemitism whenever I see it. William769 Feb 2014 #39
And that is supposed to do what to me? Demenace Feb 2014 #41
+1 jsr Feb 2014 #8
I suppose that Robert Hanssen's incarceration is due to Anti-Catholicism? Tom Ripley Feb 2014 #3
He was head of the CIA, would he lie or make stuff up? nt bemildred Feb 2014 #4
We made him the head of the CIA... Demenace Feb 2014 #7
Follow the $$$... R. Daneel Olivaw Feb 2014 #9
He can be loyal if he likes, when he calls people anti-semites for wanting Pollard to serve his time bemildred Feb 2014 #10
Another poster just tried that line on me upthread... Demenace Feb 2014 #24
I suggest you not go calling people out. That's not smart either. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #28
Why not? I thought that was supposed to be the purpose of honest discuss? Demenace Feb 2014 #33
Please proceed. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #34
I just did, care to explain your point? Demenace Feb 2014 #35
No. nt bemildred Feb 2014 #36
Case closed. Note to you - I am not here to join a gang... Demenace Feb 2014 #37
ah--just like with undercooked burgers! MisterP Feb 2014 #11
LOL 1000words Feb 2014 #14
Hansen, Ames, Walker and Pollard The Second Stone Feb 2014 #12
The Seymour Hersh article against Pollard is pretty damning: Paolo123 Feb 2014 #13
Time To Put the Pollard Case to Rest—by Demanding He Be Set Free Mosby Feb 2014 #15
Are you also going to call for the Israeli government to stop hassling Mordechai Vanunu? Ken Burch Feb 2014 #16
'There's no good reason to spy on a country you're ALLIED with'.... LeftishBrit Feb 2014 #32
Good points. FYI, I was actually asking that of Mosby. Ken Burch Feb 2014 #43
It isn't a life sentence without possibility of parole The Second Stone Feb 2014 #17
nice fallback position - "but its legal" Mosby Feb 2014 #18
Absoluely he should die in prison The Second Stone Feb 2014 #19
what about that traitor snowden? Mosby Feb 2014 #20
Extradited and fair trial and if convicted then sentencing The Second Stone Feb 2014 #21
You guys and your strangle hold on America is slipping, dude! Demenace Feb 2014 #25
When he expresses remorse for betraying his country, then the whining on behalf geek tragedy Feb 2014 #26
What a wanker. nt geek tragedy Feb 2014 #27
Not only NO atreides1 Feb 2014 #29
Unleash the Turds of War Octafish Feb 2014 #30
So all the muslims we've incarcerated on lesser charges means what?? Blue_Tires Feb 2014 #31
Woolsey is the same guy that said Snowden should be hanged n/t Enrique Feb 2014 #42
He's saying that Pollard's still in prison because he's Jewish? El_Johns Feb 2014 #44
 

R. Daneel Olivaw

(12,606 posts)
2. R. James Woolsey, Jr.
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 03:09 AM
Feb 2014
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R._James_Woolsey,_Jr.#Later_career

Woolsey is the chairman of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies. He is currently a member of the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP) Board of Advisors, Advisor of the Institute for the Analysis of Global Security, co-founder of the United States Energy Security Council, Founding Member of the Set America Free Coalition, and a Senior Vice President at Booz Allen Hamilton for Global Strategic Security (since July 15, 2002).[6] He is a Patron of the Henry Jackson Society, a British think tank. Woolsey has had long-standing contact with Central and Eastern Europe and is a Member of the Board of Advisors of the Global Panel Foundation based in Berlin, Copenhagen, Prague, Sydney, and Toronto. He was formerly chairman of the Freedom House board of trustees. He is a member of the International Advisory Board of NGO Monitor.[7]

Woolsey is a member of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) and was one of the signatories to the January 26, 1998 letter sent to President Clinton that called for the removal of Saddam Hussein.[8] That same year he served on the Rumsfeld Commission, which investigated the threat of ballistic missiles for the U.S. Congress.[citation needed]

In 2008, Woolsey joined VantagePoint Venture Partners as a venture partner.[citation needed]

John McCain hired Jim Woolsey as an advisor on energy and climate change issues for his 2008 U.S. Presidential election campaign.[9]

In April 2011, Lux Capital announced that Woolsey would become a venture partner in the firm. Woolsey will primarily focus on identifying novel breakthroughs and new investment opportunities in energy. By joining Lux Capital, Woolsey hopes to help end America's addiction to foreign energy resources.[10]

In July 2011, Woolsey, in cooperation with Robert C. McFarlane, co-founded the United States Energy Security Council.[11][12] Woolsey currently sits on the Board of Advisors for the Fuel Freedom Foundation.[13]

Woolsey has been[when?] a Board Member and Vice-Chairman of The Jamestown Foundation.[citation needed]

starroute

(12,977 posts)
5. Oddly enough, that Wikipedia entry leaves out JINSA
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:22 AM
Feb 2014

But if you go to the JINSA entry at Wikipedia, you find this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Institute_for_National_Security_Affairs

The Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs (JINSA) is a Washington, D.C.-based non-profit think-tank focusing on issues of United States and Israel in national security. JINSA's stated aim is threefold: to ensure a strong and effective U.S. national security policy; to educate American leaders on what it views as the vital strategic relationship between the United States and Israel; and to strengthen U.S. cooperation with democratic allies, including Taiwan, Hungary, Turkey, India, and NATO member nations, amongst others.

JINSA's advisory board includes such notable figures as Michael Ledeen, Richard Perle, and R. James Woolsey, while Vice President Dick Cheney, former U.S. Representative to the United Nations John Bolton, and former Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas Feith were all on JINSA's Board of Advisors before they entered the Bush administration.

 

Demenace

(213 posts)
6. That my friend is what is called 'hiding in plain sight'...
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:42 AM
Feb 2014

...When individuals who have more loyalty to a foreign nation occupy a host nation at the peak of its existence for the benefit of their country of loyalty. Remember, in the fairy tales in the 'good book' a story was told of a certain baby which was planted via deception in the house of a certain 'ruler' and 'kingdom' during the height of the Egyptian civilization until the said baby almost became the most powerful person in the host kingdom?

Well, that age old trick of taking over a host country at the peak of its civilization has not stopped happening by these same set of people. You my friend are a witness to the take over of America and it is not by an imaginary Sharia law or the new bogyman - 'The Muslim Brotherhood'.

 

Demenace

(213 posts)
23. And your point is?
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:40 PM
Feb 2014

Did I lie about anything I stated or is it only okay if you guys say your nonsense about the Muslim Brotherhood taking over the United states?

Am I supposed to be scared because you think so? Please, help me out here as I do not understand your point!

Behind the Aegis

(53,919 posts)
38. What is your point?
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:24 PM
Feb 2014

It seems you are claiming the Jews are taking over the US at the "peak of its civilization" as it did Egypt in the "good book." Is that correct?

Response to Behind the Aegis (Reply #38)

William769

(55,142 posts)
39. As a non Jew I call out antisemitism whenever I see it.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 12:26 AM
Feb 2014

Right now I'm SCREAMING!

Is that clear enough?

 

Demenace

(213 posts)
41. And that is supposed to do what to me?
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 10:17 AM
Feb 2014

Did I lie about the things I have said or are we supposed not to say or compare the apparels from history? Have you guys, 'Mr. Non Jew' stopped talking about the history of the Nazis and what they did?

 

Demenace

(213 posts)
7. We made him the head of the CIA...
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 10:44 AM
Feb 2014


...that did not change the fact that he has more loyalty to Israel today.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
10. He can be loyal if he likes, when he calls people anti-semites for wanting Pollard to serve his time
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 01:07 PM
Feb 2014

he discredits himself, not them.

 

Demenace

(213 posts)
24. Another poster just tried that line on me upthread...
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:42 PM
Feb 2014

Like I am supposed to be scared because I called them out!
 

Demenace

(213 posts)
33. Why not? I thought that was supposed to be the purpose of honest discuss?
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:48 PM
Feb 2014

When we refuse to speak honestly, we enable evil to occupy the public space. If you say something on a public forum that is dishonest, I have no hesitation with calling your BS, that is just me!
 

Demenace

(213 posts)
37. Case closed. Note to you - I am not here to join a gang...
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:53 PM
Feb 2014

I speak my mind and that I will do honestly!
 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
12. Hansen, Ames, Walker and Pollard
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 05:39 PM
Feb 2014

can all serve their full sentences and I hope die in prison for their treason against my country. Their religious affiliation has nothing to do with their debt to society because of their treason. The suggestion that Pollard is somehow less of a traitor because he is Jewish is offensive and absurd to Jewish people. It is in fact anti-Semitic. He received a specific sentence based on the specific circumstances of his case carefully decided by the judge who reviewed everything. The contempt for the laws and security of the United States shown by the people who accuse the US of anti-Semitism in Pollard's sentence is disgusting.

People who commit crimes against the safety of American citizens because of their religious beliefs are locked away for life without a trial in Guantanamo Bay if they are Muslim on mere suspicion. Pollard, an American citizen, committed treason, got a trial and doesn't dispute he did the acts. How about he serve his absolutely full sentence and be thankful that it isn't a life sentence without possibility of parole, which is certainly what he deserved.

Mosby

(16,252 posts)
15. Time To Put the Pollard Case to Rest—by Demanding He Be Set Free
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 06:35 PM
Feb 2014

It should be ever more difficult for patriotic Jewish Americans—or anyone else, for that matter—to believe that Jonathan Pollard, who has spent 29 years in prison for passing secret intelligence documents to Israel, is being punished for the very real crime to which he pleaded guilty in 1986. Pollard, a former naval intelligence analyst, has spent nearly three decades in prison for a crime that carries a maximum penalty of 10 years under current U.S. law—more time than any other convicted spy in American history. He is the only person in American history to receive a life sentence for the crime of spying in a case involving a friendly country, and the only person convicted of such a crime to be sentenced to more than 10 years in prison.

And what you are about to read is not a knee-jerk, tribalist defense of Pollard—you will be subjected to no whining about his health, no assertions about how serving time in a maximum security prison is hard, or the like—but is rather an argument about a newly clear and deeply problematic aspect of the case.

In an op-ed published this week in the New York Times, M.E. Bowman, former deputy general counsel for national security law at the FBI and coordinator of the investigation that put Pollard behind bars, did his best to revive the idea that the spy deserved his extreme sentence and should remain in prison. Yet the logic of Bowman’s argument is so tenuous, and so noxious, that it only magnifies the perception that Pollard was railroaded by an American national security establishment animated by a very personal animus towards one particular spy—and one that has spent the past three decades trying to cover up its own failures.

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/159670/set-pollard-free


 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
16. Are you also going to call for the Israeli government to stop hassling Mordechai Vanunu?
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 06:55 PM
Feb 2014

It's not like what he did was WORSE than what Pollard did.

There's no good reason to spy on a country you're ALLIED with, for god's sakes.

LeftishBrit

(41,202 posts)
32. 'There's no good reason to spy on a country you're ALLIED with'....
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 05:28 PM
Feb 2014

Maybe not; but it seems to happen all the time!

Actually I think the Pollard and Vanunu cases are not that dissimilar in some ways, and I think there is hypocrisy on both sides about them. I think both got excessive sentences; then again, I'm not a citizen of either country so it's not up to me. However, as a British citizen, we definitely got PLENTY of spying from our allies (and no doubt Britain did some spying on allies as well). Not to mention the spying we get as citizens from our own government.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
43. Good points. FYI, I was actually asking that of Mosby.
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 04:37 PM
Feb 2014

Didn't think YOU were in favor of the continued harassment of Vanunu, for the record.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
17. It isn't a life sentence without possibility of parole
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:32 PM
Feb 2014

so there isn't a need to misinform about that. And the remarks about the law now only carrying a 10 year sentence are utterly irrelevant. The sentence was legal and accepted at the time it was handed down. No clemency for Mumia, Pollard, Peltier or anyone else who is guilty of such heinous crimes. His crimes were heinous and he deserves every minute of his sentence, including his last breath should justice be so fortunate as to have him die in prison. There is no question this awful excuse of a human being is guilty. The only this astonishing about this case are that there are so many bought and paid for fellow travelers demanding his release. He is a traitor and a spy, not any kind of hero.

Mosby

(16,252 posts)
18. nice fallback position - "but its legal"
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:41 PM
Feb 2014

Yeah, so is gitmo according to the government.

You think he should die in prison? That's some sick shit right there.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
19. Absoluely he should die in prison
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 08:53 PM
Feb 2014

The sick shit is supporting a traitor. This guy sold as many secrets as the Ames and Walker rings. He should be punished the same and die in prison, just like Ames and Walker and Hansen.

I consider every so-called American citizen calling for clemency for Pollard to be a traitor.

And it isn't a fallback position. He pled guilty because he was guilty, knowing he would likely get that sentence.

 

The Second Stone

(2,900 posts)
21. Extradited and fair trial and if convicted then sentencing
Sun Feb 9, 2014, 09:47 PM
Feb 2014

But your excusing of Pollard is truly despicable. Or as you would say, it's some scary shit.

 

Demenace

(213 posts)
25. You guys and your strangle hold on America is slipping, dude!
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:45 PM
Feb 2014


That is what happens when you over play your cards and the American people are waking to the realization that America and Israel are not one and the same, no matter how hard you guys try to make appear!
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
26. When he expresses remorse for betraying his country, then the whining on behalf
Mon Feb 10, 2014, 04:46 PM
Feb 2014

of his traitorous ass will be approriate.

Screw him and his apologists.

 

El_Johns

(1,805 posts)
44. He's saying that Pollard's still in prison because he's Jewish?
Tue Feb 18, 2014, 11:01 PM
Feb 2014

How long's Peltier been in prison?

probably dave gilbert is still in prison because he's jewish, while his partner Kathy boudin got out in '03 because she's not. oh, wait, she is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Gilbert_(activist)

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