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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:09 PM Feb 2014

Karl Rove Tells Rand Paul To Pipe Down About The Lewinsky Stuff

Source: TPM

CATHERINE THOMPSON – FEBRUARY 11, 2014, 11:57 AM EST

Bashing former President Bill Clinton for the Monica Lewinsky scandal isn't a good strategy to use if Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) wants to position himself as a presidential contender in 2016, according to election oracle Karl Rove.

The veteran Republican strategist said Tuesday in an appearance on Fox News that Paul needs to shelve personal ambition and focus on a bigger message if he wants to field a viable campaign. "Frankly, Rand Paul spending a lot of time talking about the mistakes of Bill Clinton does not look like a big agenda for the future of the country," he said. Paul has lobbed a series of attacks at Clinton in recent weeks, ranging from calling him a "serial philanderer" to suggesting Democrats return money they raised with his help.

Rove said the Kentucky Republican ought to focus on strengthening his "skills" as a candidate, rather than on a White House affair that's already 15 years old. "I'm not certain again that beating up on Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky is a particularly good thing to strengthen your skills for the 2016 contest," he said.

Even if Rove thinks 2016 contenders should be above such tactics, Republican National Committee Chairman Reince Priebus said the Lewinsky scandal is definitely fair game if Hillary Clinton decides to run for president.



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Karl Rove Tells Rand Paul To Pipe Down About The Lewinsky Stuff (Original Post) DonViejo Feb 2014 OP
So who is KKKarl backing instead? KamaAina Feb 2014 #1
Jeb maybe? nt grasswire Feb 2014 #2
Jeb for sure !!! warrant46 Feb 2014 #20
And only Jeb. He's part of the Bush Cabal. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #21
i agree Enrique Feb 2014 #23
+1 warrant46 Feb 2014 #24
I'm not so sure Jeb is scandal free, there have been stories about him and Karl Thinkingabout Feb 2014 #27
That's certainly a legitimate opinion also warrant46 Feb 2014 #29
If he's backing anyone it's Jeb. He's well entrenched into the Bush Cleita Feb 2014 #7
Rove will undermine any GOP candidate that gains traction...on behalf of Jeb. David Zephyr Feb 2014 #22
Like others said, Jeb. Beacool Feb 2014 #31
I would bet Jeb.... n/t hlthe2b Feb 2014 #3
So.....what else do they have? LongTomH Feb 2014 #4
I sense that Rove does not think that Rand Paul would be a viable candidate Gothmog Feb 2014 #5
Just as an aside. Cleita Feb 2014 #6
That's because the Clinton Era is remembered as a better time. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #13
Political premature ejaculation! bullwinkle428 Feb 2014 #8
why do people want to take Rove's public remarks at face value? reddread Feb 2014 #9
The words Rove, face, and value do not belong together in a sentence. nt Xipe Totec Feb 2014 #10
"election oracle Karl Rove" Dopers_Greed Feb 2014 #11
I suppose he should go anti-gay like Karl did in Dubya's reelection. Right KKKarl? Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2014 #12
Democrats made history by being the only party to ever gain house seats in the sixth year. Dawson Leery Feb 2014 #14
I don't mean this in a good way, but . . . Jack Rabbit Feb 2014 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author anasv Feb 2014 #16
Be forewarned. Karl Rove is advising Rand Paul to save the Lewinsky scandal talk JDPriestly Feb 2014 #17
she will be portrayed as the cuckold, the woman so unsexy she drove Bill to THAT. reddread Feb 2014 #18
Thank you for your concern. aquart Feb 2014 #26
So what makes Rove think NastyRiffraff Feb 2014 #19
Ignore thr pudgy man behind the curtain, Rand Tom Ripley Feb 2014 #25
KKKarl knows that a lot of people did well Ilsa Feb 2014 #28
Rand Paul is stupid... SummerSnow Feb 2014 #30
Rove was trying to school the political neophyte. Beacool Feb 2014 #32

warrant46

(2,205 posts)
20. Jeb for sure !!!
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 06:38 PM
Feb 2014

He is the only Bush with a brain, speaks Spanish and is relatively free of scandal. He'll be the choice of big money and the Banksters

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
27. I'm not so sure Jeb is scandal free, there have been stories about him and Karl
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 07:48 PM
Feb 2014

Rove is probably very aware of the rumor mill about Jeb and therefore he does not want Rand running around crazy. Rand Paul has not been perfect by a longshot so if they want to bring in Bill's $100 million affair then their candidates will be taken to task for their shortcomings. I really don't think they want to go there.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
7. If he's backing anyone it's Jeb. He's well entrenched into the Bush
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:46 PM
Feb 2014

family and they are dependent on him getting the right lies out.

David Zephyr

(22,785 posts)
22. Rove will undermine any GOP candidate that gains traction...on behalf of Jeb.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 07:06 PM
Feb 2014

He's already doing it. In fact, I think he could have had a hand in taking out Christie.

It's all about Jeb Bush and Rove's the Bush family's hit man.

Any GOP candidate that gains will be taken out.

The wild card? It's Huckabee. I think he's already angling to be Jeb's VP.

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
4. So.....what else do they have?
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:31 PM
Feb 2014

It's not like they have any real agenda for creating jobs, or healthcare or decreasing inequality, or anything people really give a shit about!!!!!

Gothmog

(144,945 posts)
5. I sense that Rove does not think that Rand Paul would be a viable candidate
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:36 PM
Feb 2014

Rove is correct and it must pain him to see Rand Paul being the front runner due to the collapse of Christie

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
6. Just as an aside.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:44 PM
Feb 2014

I was at the gym last eve working out with a group of women. One of them, the wife of an estate lawyer, said something about the chatter about Hillary and Monica Lewinsky. Of course I'm certain they all get their news from Fox. Another questioned about what it had to do with Hillary unless she was having an affair with Monica. After that the conversation was interrupted and moved on. But what I took from it was that even the Fox brainwashed aren't buying it.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
9. why do people want to take Rove's public remarks at face value?
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 02:58 PM
Feb 2014

and isnt Murdoch friendly with Hillary?

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
14. Democrats made history by being the only party to ever gain house seats in the sixth year.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 03:47 PM
Feb 2014

Rebel Rand is firing up the erratic and dangerous GOP base at the expense of the general election.

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
15. I don't mean this in a good way, but . . .
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 04:16 PM
Feb 2014

. . . Karl Rove is a real professional. Of course, his profession makes him an occupational liar. For lurking Freepers who think I'm just being partisan, so is James Carville. In addition to political campaign consultants, who are just a special class of public relations agents, prime examples of occupational liars are salesmen, lawyers and politicians (who, perhaps not coincidentally, usually start out as lawyers).

The point is that the Rover is an exceptionally good occupational liar, or EGOL. After all, he made Bush the Frat Boy into an attractive enough candidate to get him within stealing distance of two national elections. That was no easy task.

The first part of being an EGOL is to know what sells and what's an what doesn't. The Monica Lewinsky caper was never a good selling point in the first place. How many of us knew that President Clinton (another EGOL) was just asking for trouble when he said "I didn't have sex with that woman" instead of "On the advise of an attorney, I have nothing to say about that topic"? The problem with the matter of Mr. Clinton and she and his fellow consenting adult, Ms. Lewinsky, did together, was that nobody cared except ESAPPs (exceptionally stupid and partisan politicians). Fifteen years later, the only people who still care are ESAPPs like Senator Paul.

Another reason the Lewinsky caper doesn't sell is that there are better examples of politicians who don't level with the American people than Bill Clinton or even Chris Christie. For example, Richard ("I am not a crook&quot Nixon, George W. (Saddam has Weapons of Mass Destruction) Bush and his sidekick, former Vice Premier Cheney were much bigger liars than Clinton, and lied about matters of greater consequence than a tacky blow job.

What are the Republicans to do in 2016? One might think that they could point to President Obama. but they can't do that. It's not that President Obama hasn't lied to us. This is the same president who tells us that mass surveillance of American citizens saves lives and isn't a violation of the Fourth Amendment and that the TPP and TTIP will create jobs. Unfortunately, any Republican president will say the same thing and it won't be any more truthful than saying he threw a silver dollar across the Potomac River. All they can do is holler "Benghazi," but that is even less attractive as a selling point that what down in the Oval Office closet in the nineties. Well, no one ever accused Darrell Issa of being an EGOL. It's a rare man who can be both an EGOL and an ESAPP at the same time.

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JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
17. Be forewarned. Karl Rove is advising Rand Paul to save the Lewinsky scandal talk
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 05:41 PM
Feb 2014

for after Hillary is the candidate.

Expect lots, lots, lots more of this kind of gossip campaigning if you vote for Hillary as the Democratic candidate. It's unfair. It's mean. It's very Republican to try to blacken Hillary for the Lewinsky matter.

Obviously, Hillary Clinton had nothing to do with Monica Lewinsky. But that will not help Hillary because Americans love to gossip about sex. Americans are obsessed with sex. The Republicans know this because they tend to be obsessed with sex.

Hillary will excite so much malicious, unfounded gossip. I can't understand why she even wants to run.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
18. she will be portrayed as the cuckold, the woman so unsexy she drove Bill to THAT.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 06:04 PM
Feb 2014

It may have serious consequences with certain demographics, but its a volatile situation.
Expect it from below, not above. Rove is going to feign distance and some disgust.
The banks open at 9 AM, take it straight there.

aquart

(69,014 posts)
26. Thank you for your concern.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 07:47 PM
Feb 2014

I love Elizabeth but she has work to do in the Senate.

A wonderful woman with an excellent right-thinking mind, but a political novice.

Her partisans do none of us any favors.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
19. So what makes Rove think
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 06:33 PM
Feb 2014

Rand Paul will listen to him. Paul listens to nobody, particularly not to Karl Rove.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
28. KKKarl knows that a lot of people did well
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 07:51 PM
Feb 2014

financially during Clinton's eight years. He doesn't want to remind the voters of that and compare it to the most recent GOP prez.

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
30. Rand Paul is stupid...
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 08:51 PM
Feb 2014

I'm no fan of Rove but he is right. If Hilary runs and Rand tries to use the Lewinsky affair to tarnish Hilary it will backfire. Hilary was the victim in this and the innocent wife. That is not going to go well with liberal and independent women voters. And no other Republican came out and told that idiot that. Just shows you their desperation. Trifling.

Beacool

(30,247 posts)
32. Rove was trying to school the political neophyte.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:22 PM
Feb 2014

Rove has been around long enough to know the idiocy of Rand's strategy. Attacking a female candidate by bringing up her husband's misdeeds is stupid. It will piss off women, we know that wives are not an appendage of their husbands.

Let Rand carry on, he's digging his own grave.

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