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Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:08 PM Feb 2014

West Virginia Water Nightmare: Private Testing Finds Coal Chemical In 40 Percent Of Homes

Source: Think Progress

One month after a major chemical leak spilled 10,000 gallons of crude MCHM into the Elk River and the water supply for 300,000 West Virginia residents, private testing found the main chemical ingredient in 40 percent of homes sampled.

All of the homes tested had followed the prescribed flushing procedure — several of them multiple times, said Evan Hansen, principal at Downstream Strategies, the environmental consulting firm that carried out the testing.

“I’m not surprised that MCHM is still being detected,” said Hansen. “In talking to people in the area, people are still reporting smells and some people are reporting reactions with their skin, so it seems clear that in some locations, the water isn’t clean yet.”

Last week, several schools in the area were forced to close after staff and students complained of the licorice-like smell characteristic of crude MCHM. One teacher reportedly fainted, and “several students and employees complained of lightheadedness and burning eyes and noses.”

Read more: http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2014/02/11/3278131/west-virginia-chemical-homes/

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West Virginia Water Nightmare: Private Testing Finds Coal Chemical In 40 Percent Of Homes (Original Post) Adenoid_Hynkel Feb 2014 OP
The free hand of the market will be along to clean everything up shortly. Scuba Feb 2014 #1
Provided payment is rendered in advance durablend Feb 2014 #2
Why do you hate unfettered capitalism? Why do you hate America? valerief Feb 2014 #3
That invisible hand will be along to spank the citizens that complain. Kablooie Feb 2014 #9
Used to be... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #12
The nail that sticks up gets hammered down. Kablooie Feb 2014 #14
Yes, much more apt... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #15
I've been done for awhile now caring what happens to Red States. broadcaster75201 Feb 2014 #4
Your lack of compassion is duly noted... Rhythm Feb 2014 #5
Yup Champion Jack Feb 2014 #7
Um, maybe forgotten that everyone is eligible. No state is pristine, either. Any word on what the WV freshwest Feb 2014 #16
There is also a riveting account of the whole incident . . . Brigid Feb 2014 #23
As a voting liberal living in Charleston, WV, with parents, grandparents, siblings & friends here... Adenoid_Hynkel Feb 2014 #10
Seconded by a Mountaineer-by-marriage further north Rhythm Feb 2014 #11
+1000 theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #20
This native Buckeye... awoke_in_2003 Feb 2014 #13
Maybe you ought to do some homework theHandpuppet Feb 2014 #19
Both Parties are in the pockets of Corporations Stainless Feb 2014 #21
That's harsh criticism coming from a man in Utah. Lasher Feb 2014 #25
You can "take comfort" in being poisoned..... Stainless Feb 2014 #31
Troll. nt Ilsa Feb 2014 #27
No doubt you also blame people for being mugged, riqster Feb 2014 #28
There was another spill today Champion Jack Feb 2014 #6
Now, what's to be done with this data, is the question? freshwest Feb 2014 #8
This is where we see the effect Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2014 #17
It may actually be possible that Charleston, West Virginia is simply uninhabitable alcibiades_mystery Feb 2014 #18
Have a glass of fracking water. Just don't think about what it's doing inside your body... blkmusclmachine Feb 2014 #22
I find it so disappointing Sienna86 Feb 2014 #24
Jay was right. Lasher Feb 2014 #26
I went to a little gathering in southern ohio - appalachia toby jo Feb 2014 #29
should not limit the 'private testing' to one chemical and a few homes. Sunlei Feb 2014 #30
But more importantly - Should Obama be impeached for Benghazi ?!?!?!? vkkv Feb 2014 #32
Do Brita and Pur filters clean up this crap? KamaAina Feb 2014 #33
 

awoke_in_2003

(34,582 posts)
12. Used to be...
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:03 PM
Feb 2014

that the squeaky wheel got the grease, now it is those who stand up get punched in the face.

broadcaster75201

(387 posts)
4. I've been done for awhile now caring what happens to Red States.
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:21 PM
Feb 2014

They keep voting these morons in and Libs keep sitting home. Callous it may be, and I didn't used to be like this, but now I am. You wanna role around with stupid, have fun but don't come to me for empathy.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
16. Um, maybe forgotten that everyone is eligible. No state is pristine, either. Any word on what the WV
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:28 PM
Feb 2014
legislature is doing? Are there some hearings you could post about here?

At the least, since the state granted companies permission to operate (and pollution is literally part of their operation). is it able to make these residents 'whole' under law?

I'm aware different factions in the state want these firms there. And that toxic substances are used regularly in the manufacture of many things in every state.

That's the hard reality in every nation, be they first world or third world. Or, if you will, every first world nation has a sacrifice area with conditions that are third world. Most people just let that fact flitter off their peripheral vision if they don't have to live right up close to it.

Having grown up not far from refineries, it's accepted that the air quality will not be like a wind blown prairie, and accidents will occur. The air stinks as buildings, vehicles and the lungs of people are damaged by the chemicals.

If a person moves to an allegedly pristine rural area, thinking they have escaped, a quick google of EPA incidents in their zip code will show they have not. If they move to an urban area and live in a gated area where they intend to be protected from all ugliness, they are still contributing to it with all their purchases.

Remembering that might tend to reduce place of origin or regional bigotry. WV was not always polluted. Environmentalists have said that the mountain top removal is destroying the ecosystem that existed and provided life for millions of years in the drive to supply modern society needs. We are all guilty.

WV has had a brutal history:

MATEWAN - The Battle of Blair Mountain

The movie has since been removed from youtube, but here is the description:

The story of the miners strggle for decent working conditions back in 1920. Culminating in the Matewan Massacre.

It has a Wikipedia page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Matewan&printable=yes

Alan Grayson posted the story. It is worth reading, the emboldening is mine. It makes me cry just reading it:

The Second Civil War

This weekend marks the anniversary of the most brutal confrontation in the history of the American labor movement, the Battle of Blair Mountain. For one week during 1921, armed, striking coal miners battled scabs, a private militia, police officers and the US Army. 100 people died, 1,000 were arrested, and one million shots were fired. It was the largest armed rebellion in America since the Civil War.

This is how it happened. In the Twenties, West Virginia coal miners lived in “company towns.” The mining companies owned all the property. They literally ran union organizers out of town – or killed them.

In 1912, in a strike at Paint Creek, the mining company forced the striking miners and their families out of their homes, to live in tents. Then they sent armed goons into that tent city, and opened fire on men, women and children there with a machine gun.

By 1920, the United Mine Workers had organized the northern mines in West Virginia, but they were barred from the southern mines. When southern miners tried to join the union, they were fired and evicted. To show who was boss, one mining company tried to place machine guns on the roofs of buildings in town...


http://www.democraticunderground.com/125177543#op

I was a union steward in my work, and we had a lot of classes taught on the history of labor, in addition to what we got in public schools. But we were never taught the details of Matewan.

Those who don't know, might want to consider having such a thing in their state, having the pressure of the full power of the United States, ruling them and telling them to endure those conditions for the advancement of the nation.

And the demand for coal has never stopped. We might say WV is now, and has always been, occupied by hostile forces that don't mean it any good. And in the current world, we are in a more brutal push for resources than the world has ever seen.

There is discussion, a link to photographs taken by a DUer and many other details at another thread here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101751767

Sorry, I almost made an OP, but the situation in WV touches me deeply. It can happen anywhere.

JMHO...

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
23. There is also a riveting account of the whole incident . . .
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 02:05 AM
Feb 2014

in the History Channel's "Hillbilly: the Real Story." It was the first time I had ever heard it. One woman they interviewed saw a pipe bomb dropped into her back yard (she was ten at the time). Another woman, five at the time, had shots fired into her house. Spent cartridges and even revolvers can still be found on Blair Mountain.

John Sayles was only able to tell half the story in his film "Matewan"; he said that to continue would simply make the movie too long. See it if you ever get a chance.

Another good companion piece is "Harlan County USA, " a jaw-dropping film by a documentary filmmaker who went to Harlan County Kentucky to cover labor negotiations and ended up getting far more than she bargained for.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
10. As a voting liberal living in Charleston, WV, with parents, grandparents, siblings & friends here...
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 10:50 PM
Feb 2014

...let me be the first to tell you, with all due respect, to go fuck yourself.

theHandpuppet

(19,964 posts)
19. Maybe you ought to do some homework
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 12:05 AM
Feb 2014

Last edited Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:15 AM - Edit history (2)

West Virginia:
Governor: Democrat
Lieutenant Governor: Democrat
Both Senators: Democrats
Secy of State: Democrat
State Auditor: Democrat
State Treasurer: Democrat
Commish of Agriculture: Democrat
The West Virginia Democratic Party controls all but one (Attorney General) statewide executive offices and holds a slim majority in the West Virginia House of Delegates and a supermajority in the West Virginia Senate.

Care to make any more uninformed comments about all the "morons" in West Virginia who voted for all these Democrats??

Stainless

(718 posts)
21. Both Parties are in the pockets of Corporations
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 12:57 AM
Feb 2014

Your list drives my point home. Democrats in West Virginia have obviously been bought and paid for by Big Energy.

Lasher

(27,553 posts)
25. That's harsh criticism coming from a man in Utah.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:51 AM
Feb 2014

Our elected officials aren't perfect but I take some comfort in knowing most of them are Democrats.

Stainless

(718 posts)
31. You can "take comfort" in being poisoned.....
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 01:57 PM
Feb 2014

Because a majority of your elected officials are Democrats? It's quite obvious that your regionalism distorts your logic and critical thinking ability. I'm sure that the prepaid public officials are also comforted in knowing that citizens like you are so easily placated.

riqster

(13,986 posts)
28. No doubt you also blame people for being mugged,
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 09:31 AM
Feb 2014

Women for being raped, Kurds for being gassed, and so on.

"I mean, hey, they CHOSE to be where these crimes were committed, why didn't they leave and go somewhere else where nobody has anything bad happen to them?"



Eedjit.

Dyedinthewoolliberal

(15,562 posts)
17. This is where we see the effect
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:46 PM
Feb 2014

of unfettered capitalism. The owners rail against regulation and enforcement by the 'bad' government. Except they've already neutered the government (maybe pulling the teeth would be a better metaphor ) and government is practically useless to the citizens in this case.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
18. It may actually be possible that Charleston, West Virginia is simply uninhabitable
Tue Feb 11, 2014, 11:51 PM
Feb 2014

This is the looming issue that nobody there wants to mention: the whole city may have been rendered uninhabitable--an American city essentially ruined, Chernobyl-style.

I wouldn't rule it out.

Sienna86

(2,148 posts)
24. I find it so disappointing
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:40 AM
Feb 2014

That their elected officials have not been more zealous advocates for the citizens.

I can't imagine what this must be like for those affected.

 

toby jo

(1,269 posts)
29. I went to a little gathering in southern ohio - appalachia
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 01:09 PM
Feb 2014

taking a cherry pie there for some kind of do-good auction. So sure enough there's the tent, with the sign, right out front "Stop Obama's War on Coal".

I glared a bit and walked on by. Now I'd stop in and ream the good ole boys. "Thank God somebody's got a war going on coal." Now I've got alot more facts.

Down here, I've learned to take a fact sheet with me in case I run into these rubes. 'Jobs', they'll say. 'Future', right back at em. Along with dead lakes, trees, holes in the ozone, dieing species...

It's like our little liberal mini-war down here, keeping an eye on the front lines with facts. You shoot em down when you get a fair shot.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
30. should not limit the 'private testing' to one chemical and a few homes.
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 01:19 PM
Feb 2014

All these industries have had 'runoff' into our waterways (and air!) for a long, long, time.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
32. But more importantly - Should Obama be impeached for Benghazi ?!?!?!?
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 02:21 PM
Feb 2014

This country is a mess.

Thank you GOP for your great leadership of it's people.
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
33. Do Brita and Pur filters clean up this crap?
Wed Feb 12, 2014, 02:38 PM
Feb 2014


If so, the bankrupt company's assets should be liquidated (so to speak ) and used to provide them to West Virginians.
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