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okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 05:59 PM Feb 2014

Papers reveal Yanukovich plans to turn army against protesters

Source: Financial Times


©Reuters
The Yanukovich regime had drawn up plans for a massive crackdown on protesters in Kiev using thousands of police and troops – and the chief of Ukraine’s armed forces on Thursday last week ordered 2,500 army troops into the capital for an “antiterrorist” operation.

But the most chilling were military and security papers. One set revealed that snipers who killed dozens of protesters on Kiev’s central square last Thursday came from Ukraine’s “Omega” special forces.
The incendiary documents could bolster efforts by Kiev’s acting government to build a criminal case against Mr Yanukovich, whose whereabouts were still unknown on Monday, for “mass murder of peaceful civilians”

The documents illuminate a key moment in the stand-off late last week, when rumours swept Kiev that Mr Yanukovich was poised to unleash the military against his own people to preserve his increasingly tenuous rule.
A cable signed by Yuri Ilyin, chief of staff, on Thursday last week ordered three army units from southern and southeastern Ukraine to move into Kiev, based on information from Ukraine’s SBU security services that protesters were planning to capture “potentially dangerous military facilities”.

It said troops would receive further information in the capital about where they would be deployed. But the order said armed troops would set up checkpoints and have powers to inspect documents and detain those not carrying them, search clothing for weapons, limit traffic and enter private homes if they suspected “terrorists” were being concealed.
They would be authorised to use weapons and other resources

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/f7ad71be-9d75-11e3-a599-00144feab7de.html#ixzz2uHMxdihb



Read more: http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/f7ad71be-9d75-11e3-a599-00144feab7de.html#axzz2uHGeeSSP

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Papers reveal Yanukovich plans to turn army against protesters (Original Post) okaawhatever Feb 2014 OP
How do you entice snipers to kill their own citizens? 1000words Feb 2014 #1
You simply order them to do so Warpy Feb 2014 #3
Trials For Those Omega Forces billhicks76 Feb 2014 #14
Good question. fleabiscuit Feb 2014 #4
same way thug regimes have always figured out who geek tragedy Feb 2014 #5
Peer pressure and postive and negative reinforcement. JDPriestly Feb 2014 #9
There are four types of people who join the military: Brother Buzz Feb 2014 #10
Milgram experiment joshcryer Feb 2014 #13
can you find another link? OKNancy Feb 2014 #2
Thanks for that. It seems the story has some credibility, especially given the other things okaawhatever Feb 2014 #6
I still get the paywall at that link-you have to give them your email to read the article azurnoir Feb 2014 #7
With a İReuters tag there must be a Reuters link somewhere. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #8
See if this link works: okaawhatever Feb 2014 #11
Thanks - that does work. Its a German site. dipsydoodle Feb 2014 #12
 

1000words

(7,051 posts)
1. How do you entice snipers to kill their own citizens?
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 06:04 PM
Feb 2014

Or do you look through the psych evaluations and find the psychopaths?

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
14. Trials For Those Omega Forces
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 09:47 PM
Feb 2014

You kill your own people then you go on trial for murder and face the gallows. How short sighted of those dimwits. They would've been better off ignoring their orders.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
4. Good question.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 06:22 PM
Feb 2014

Would it be snarky to say "by getting them used to spraying pepper spray into sit-down protesters, then clubbing them, then moving up to firing rubber bullets, bean bags, then tear gas canisters first?

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
9. Peer pressure and postive and negative reinforcement.
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 06:51 PM
Feb 2014

Same way you get 25 5-year-olds to pay attention for 15 to 20 minutes in a classroom.

Same way you get uninformed voters to vote against their own interests.

Same way you get soldiers to kill and maim for huge corporations and cheap commodities.

You make people feel that it is them as a group against something else, the blackboard, the other children in the class, the competition, the evil empire, whatever.

You tell them how great they are, give them stars -- on their first attempts at writing, reading and arithmetic or for their bravery in battle.

You threaten them and then shame them by sending them to the principal's office or court-martialing them or just firing them.

As an example. Chelsea Manning is a good example of the use of peer pressure and negative reinforcement. Sending Chelsea Manning to prison for most of the rest of his youthful years if not more negatively reinforces other soldiers.
It is a deterrent against soldiers breaking secrecy agreements and rules. Negative reinforcement. In fact, deterrence of other similar crimes is one of the reasons our culture isolates criminals in prison. Sets and example and serves as a threat to other wanna' be criminals.

Brother Buzz

(36,416 posts)
10. There are four types of people who join the military:
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 06:53 PM
Feb 2014

For some, it's family trade. Others are patriots, eager to serve. Next you have those who just need a job. Than there's the kind who want the legal means of killing other people. - Jack Reacher

okaawhatever

(9,461 posts)
6. Thanks for that. It seems the story has some credibility, especially given the other things
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 06:27 PM
Feb 2014

Yanukovich has done in the last couple of years.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. I still get the paywall at that link-you have to give them your email to read the article
Mon Feb 24, 2014, 06:28 PM
Feb 2014

means more spam in the inbox

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