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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 05:12 PM Mar 2014

Sen. Corker: Congress To Consider Targeted Sanctions On Russia

Source: TPM

DANIEL STRAUSS – MARCH 1, 2014, 1:46 PM EST

Sen. Bob Corker (R-TN), the ranking Republican on the Senate Foreign Relations committee, said Congress will consider applying targeted sanctions against Russian persons and entities" in response to the country's decision to invade Crimean Ukraine.

On Saturday, Russia's upper chamber approved President Vladimir Putin's request to send military troops to parts of Ukraine.

"Vladimir Putin is seizing a neighboring territory - again - so President Obama must lead a meaningful, unified response with our European allies to bring an immediate halt to these provocative Russian actions, which threaten international peace and security. The Russian government has felt free to intervene militarily in Ukraine because the United States, along with Europe, has failed to make clear there would be serious, potentially irreparable consequences to such action," Corker said in a statement.

"The United States and our European allies should immediately bring to bear all elements of our collective economic strength to stop Russian advances in Ukraine," Corker added. "Congress will consider targeted sanctions against Russian persons and entities that undermine the sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine."

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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/bob-corker-targeted-sanctions-russia

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Sen. Corker: Congress To Consider Targeted Sanctions On Russia (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2014 OP
World War III!!! World War III!!! World War III!!! Initech Mar 2014 #1
You can thank Obama for that. cprise Mar 2014 #2
Link to that DemocracyNow segment, please. elleng Mar 2014 #5
A New Cold War? Ukraine Violence Escalates, Leaked Tape Suggests U.S. Was Plotting Coup Demeter Mar 2014 #7
My hat was not plotting a coup... NY Adrahil Mar 2014 #9
? Demeter Mar 2014 #10
Thanks. elleng Mar 2014 #12
Any other source(s) for that "leaked phone conversation" besides DemocracyNow? DonViejo Mar 2014 #6
LOL - Alex Jones/infowars and the Ron Paul Institute OKNancy Mar 2014 #13
Please, point out the BS FROM THE FEBRUARY 10TH ARTICLE? Demeter Mar 2014 #22
Does anyone here recognize the substance of this event? elleng Mar 2014 #24
Why? If Alex Jones announces the time, throw away your clock! cprise Mar 2014 #25
I hope you saw this. elleng Mar 2014 #29
Yes, I was being faceteous cprise Mar 2014 #32
Same source as the guy heckling Obama. Watch: freshwest Mar 2014 #19
Well... it was ludicrous at the time cprise Mar 2014 #27
LOL! He doesn't want one! He's had numerous chances already. He's going against the grain. freshwest Mar 2014 #31
Obama's diplomats PLOTTED A COUP, right there in a recording cprise Mar 2014 #34
Oh really? OKNancy Mar 2014 #11
That's the rightwing view of all wars, that they boost the economy. But they only advantage the 1%. freshwest Mar 2014 #20
I'd say either Obama is the Reaganite he *openly* claims to be cprise Mar 2014 #26
Anyone who has closely followed him knows he's far to the left of how he's portrayed in MSM, etc. freshwest Mar 2014 #35
Yeah, Reagan didn't get to push NAFTA or TPP. n/t cprise Mar 2014 #38
Senator Bob Corker is a Liar and he can Go To Hell.... bkanderson76 Mar 2014 #3
'against Russian persons and entities' elleng Mar 2014 #4
That will help Android3.14 Mar 2014 #8
Sanctions against Russia? cosmicone Mar 2014 #14
Let Russia get entangled in that shit hollowdweller Mar 2014 #15
What have you got against Russia? Bill76 Mar 2014 #17
Sure. And the Russians can retaliate by stranding the International Space Station astronauts question everything Mar 2014 #16
ATTN Bob Corker we already have a Sec. of State Botany Mar 2014 #18
Corker's deluded, want to run the Oval Office from the Senate Gym. He's an idiot. n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #36
Dear Corker: Put a cork in it! Great job losing VW work for your state. You are dismissed! n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #21
Russia should just claim they discovered there are weapons of mass destruction in the Ukraine rpannier Mar 2014 #23
Corker is a peice of shit sawdust Mar 2014 #28
I saw him step out and speak out against bailing out the auto industry Samantha Mar 2014 #33
I remember him getting booed. Thanks for the first hand account. I haven't seen much from you yet. freshwest Mar 2014 #37
blah, blah, blah we ain't going to do shit.. madrchsod Mar 2014 #30

cprise

(8,445 posts)
2. You can thank Obama for that.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 05:28 PM
Mar 2014

DemocracyNow aired a leaked phone conversation with US diplomats plotting the coup in Ukraine.

Its clear that with the economy "recovery" faltering, the Obama admin is prepared to use a large-scale war (or imminent threat of it) as a war-economy stimulus.

This incident could undo everything he claimed to accomplish or ever claimed to be.

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
7. A New Cold War? Ukraine Violence Escalates, Leaked Tape Suggests U.S. Was Plotting Coup
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 05:48 PM
Mar 2014
http://www.democracynow.org/2014/2/20/a_new_cold_war_ukraine_violence

http://dncdn.dvlabs.com/ipod/dn2014-0220.mp4



...Now what are the Russians saying about Ukraine? They’re saying what you just said, that the peaceful protesters, as we keep calling them—I think a lot of them have gone home. There were many. By the way, at the beginning, there were hundreds of thousands, tens of thousands, of very decent, liberal, progressive, honorable people in the streets. But they’ve lost control of the situation. That’s the point now. And so, the Russians are saying, "Look, you’re trying to depose Yanukovych, who’s the elected government." Think. If you overthrow—and, by the way, there’s a presidential election in a year. The Russians are saying wait 'til the next election. If you overthrow him—and that's what Washington and Brussels are saying, that he must go—what are you doing to the possibility of democracy not only in Ukraine, but throughout this part of the world? And secondly, who do you think is going to come to power? Please tell us. And we’re silent.

AMY GOODMAN: I want to go to the famous leaked tape right now. The top State Department official has apologized to her European counterparts after she was caught cursing the European Union, the EU, in a leaked audio recording that was posted to YouTube. The recording captured an intercepted phone conversation between the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, and Victoria Nuland, the top U.S. diplomat for Europe. Nuland expresses frustration over Europe’s response to the political crisis in Ukraine, using frank terms.

VICTORIA NULAND: So that would be great, I think, to help glue this thing and have the U.N. help glue it. And, you know, [bleep] the EU.

AMY GOODMAN: While Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland’s comment about the EU dominated the news headlines because she used a curse, there were several other very interesting parts of her conversation with the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.

GEOFFREY PYATT: Let me work on Klitschko, and if you can just keep—I think we want to try to get somebody with an international personality to come out here and help to midwife this thing. Then the other issue is some kind of outreach to Yanukovych, but we can probably regroup on that tomorrow as we see how things start to fall into place.

VICTORIA NULAND: So, on that piece, Geoff, when I wrote the note, Sullivan’s come back to me VFR saying, "You need Biden?" And I said, "Probably tomorrow for an attaboy and to get the deets to stick." So Biden’s willing.


AMY GOODMAN: That’s the U.S. ambassador to Ukraine, Pyatt, speaking with Victoria Nuland. The significance of what she is saying? She also had gone to Ukraine and was feeding protesters on the front line.

STEPHEN COHEN: Cookies, cookies. Well, here again, the American political media establishment, including the right and the left and the center—because they’re all complicit in this nonsense—focused on the too sensational, they thought, aspect of that leaked conversation. She said, "F— the European Union," and everybody said, "Oh, my god! She said the word." The other thing was, who leaked it? "Oh, it was the Russians. Those dirty Russians leaked this conversation." But the significance is what you just played. What are they doing? The highest-ranking State Department official, who presumably represents the Obama administration, and the American ambassador in Kiev are, to put it in blunt terms, plotting a coup d’état against the elected president of Ukraine.

Now, that said, Amy, Juan, you may say to me—neither of you would, but hypothetically—"That’s a good thing. We don’t like—we don’t care if he was elected democratically. He’s a rat. He’s corrupt." And he is all those things. He is. "Let’s depose him. That’s what the United States should do. Then the United States should stand up and say, ’That’s what we do: We get rid of bad guys. We assassinate them, and we overthrow them.’" But in Washington and in Brussels, they lie: They’re talking about democracy now. They’re not talking about democracy now; they’re talking about a coup now
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elleng

(130,864 posts)
12. Thanks.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:15 PM
Mar 2014

Interesting, we heard about the 'leaked' conversation, as Cohen stated, due to the F word, shortly after it occurred. The context provided by the DemocracyNow discussion adds a huge amount to our ability to understand what's been happening over there.

DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
6. Any other source(s) for that "leaked phone conversation" besides DemocracyNow?
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 05:47 PM
Mar 2014

How about a link to an article about the faltering economy?

 

Demeter

(85,373 posts)
22. Please, point out the BS FROM THE FEBRUARY 10TH ARTICLE?
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 08:12 PM
Mar 2014


“That’s some pretty impressive tradecraft,” said Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland of the interception and leak of her now-infamous call to US Ambassador to Ukraine Geoff Pyatt. (The call consisted of the two plotting to install a US puppet government in Ukraine after overthrowing the current, democratically elected government.) Tradecraft means “spycraft.” In other words, Nuland was crediting a foreign intelligence service with impressive use of technology to be able to hack into her call to the ambassador. Everyone knew she was talking about Russia, partly because the Administration had been blaming Russia from the moment the recording was made public. However, Nuland knew all along that this was not the case, and she did nothing while the Administration continued to escalate the accusations against Russia.

Jay Carney, White House Spokesman, “It says something about Russia,” that they would tap the telephone call. State Department Spokeswoman Jan Psaki was even harsher, calling it ”a new low in Russian tradecraft.” But the telephone call between the two, we learned yesterday, was not conducted on a secure, encrypted telephone line that the State Department requires for such sensitive conversations and communication. Rather, the call was made over unsecured cell phones and thus easily intercepted with basic equipment that is widely available to anyone. Therefore it was not “impressive tradecraft” at all that led to the capture and release of the conversation.

Nuland and Pyatt obviously knew that at the time, being the two parties to the call. They then either sat by and allowed US government official(s) one after the other accuse Russia of going to great lengths to hack the call without admitting this fact, (n)or they did inform their superiors, but Administration officials decided to ignore this critical fact and push accusations against Russia anyway. You never want a serious crisis to go to waste, as it is said.

RPI contacted a former State Department official to clarify security procedures for such a telephone conversation between high-level personnel. The official was clear:

I know well the seriousness of using an open line (aside from anodyne conversation) for high-level classified information that would clearly be embarrassing, if not damaging, not only for the US but also the EU. For using an open line for discussing highly sensitive national security matters, both [Nuland and Pyatt] should be reprimanded, at the very least.


So this was a serious security violation.

The former official continued:

Assuming the telecon was made on insecure line, I find it curious, if not thought provoking, that Nuland’s profanity has managed to overshadow both the apparent security violation as well as the potential damage to national security of the substance of the conversation itself.


Indeed, the fallout from “Ukraine-gate” is astounding but sadly not surprising. The mainstream media in the US has focused solely on the Russian angle (now discredited) and on the salty language and particularly the false supposition that Nuland was using sailor’s language to indicate a serious rift with the EU on Ukraine policy. In fact, US and EU policy toward Ukraine is identical: regime change. The dispute is merely over velocity and is therefore cosmetic rather than substantive: should we travel 100 miles per hour or only 75 miles per hour toward regime change?

As far as we have seen, there has been virtually no discussion of the substance of the telephone conversation in the US media. But the conversation was a confirmation of all theretofore denied accusations of US involvement in the current unrest in Ukraine. It was not simply US well-wishing toward the opposition parties. It was not simply a bit of advice and a wink toward the opposition. It was wholesale planning and brokering a post-regime change governing coalition in Ukraine, with the UN being ordered to come in and “glue” the deal.

More precisely, as the Oriental Journal points out:

They agreed to nominate Bat’kyvshchina Party leader Arseniy Yatseniuk as Deputy Prime Minister, to bench Udar Party leader Vitaly Klitschko from the game for a while and to discredit neo-Nazi Svoboda partychief Oleh Tiahnybok as “Yanukovych’s project”...

SO, WHO IS THE CURRENT INTERIM PRIME MINISTER IN UKRAINE?

Ukraine crisis: the nightmare in-tray of new prime minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10666373/Ukraine-crisis-the-nightmare-in-tray-of-new-prime-minister-Arseniy-Yatsenyuk.html

HOW CONVENIENT! AND HIS FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS? SQUEEZE EVERY LAST NICKEL, OR EQUIVALENT, OUT OF UKRAINIANS TO PAY OFF THE EU AND IMF LOANS....



...Is the US training and funding the Ukraine opposition? Nuland herself claimed in December that the US had spent $5 billion since the 1990s on “democratization” programs in Ukraine. On what would she like us to believe the money had been spent? We know that the US State Department invests heavily – more than $100 million from 2008-2012 alone — on international “Internet freedom” activities. This includes heavy State Department funding, for example, to the New Americas Foundation’s…

…Commotion Project (sometimes referred to as the “Internet in a Suitcase”). This is an initiative from the New America Foundation’s Open Technology Initiative to build a mobile mesh network that can literally be carried around in a suitcase, to allow activists to continue to communicate even when a government tries to shut down the Internet, as happened in several Arab Spring countries during the recent uprisings.


“Commotion Project.” What an appropriate name for what is happening in Ukraine.

THERE'S MORE, AND IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU CAN CLICK ON THE LINK

cprise

(8,445 posts)
25. Why? If Alex Jones announces the time, throw away your clock!
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:27 PM
Mar 2014

Its amazing how the lack of scepticism creeps back every time our military-industrial complex wants to build a new outpost.

Its either that (which would be stupidity) or this place is crawling with astroturfers.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
32. Yes, I was being faceteous
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:13 PM
Mar 2014

I think I was the one who first mentioned the DN broadcast in this thread.

People are in deep denial about the establishment's willingness to start a conflict with Russia in order to maintain a perception of being indispensable at home.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
27. Well... it was ludicrous at the time
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:34 PM
Mar 2014

He may not have planned such a war, but he's probably got one now.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. LOL! He doesn't want one! He's had numerous chances already. He's going against the grain.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:10 PM
Mar 2014

The only war that is going to matter soon is climate change and providing for billions of people worldwide. The battle will be inside nations for how to make a sustainable world.

Not between them, except in those created by empires that are gathering mothballs. The human race got their fill of wars from Iraq. It was the most monumental bloodbath in this century, other than the places in Africa where they are killing each other for religion sold by grifters and smothered in oil.

Of which, Obama's moves for energy independence and alternative energy is designed to keep us removed. The Chinese and Russians and a few other nations are playing those games, along with global corporations who know we are going to get away from them soon enough. They are kicking and squealing, but no one is buying it anymore.

All the technology used for war can be turned to more peaceful means, and that is going to happen. Fuck the warmongers like Corker and the rest trying to interfere. The future is moving rapidly out of their hands.

Now to shut down their always bloody hands in 2014.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
34. Obama's diplomats PLOTTED A COUP, right there in a recording
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:21 PM
Mar 2014

Your prattle about Africa and Iraq might have sounded convincing 6 months ago, but now it just sounds deranged.

Now to shut down their always bloody hands in 2014.


Don't you think they know that progressives were planning to clean House this year?? Might not happen now with Putin doing all that scary mobilizing of war machines. I think TPTB miscalculated, thinking Russia would only *sound* threatening, but the result for the near-term is we may have hawkish conservatives around for longer than we planned.


OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
11. Oh really?
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:13 PM
Mar 2014
Its clear that with the economy "recovery" faltering, the Obama admin is prepared to use a large-scale war (or imminent threat of it) as a war-economy stimulus.

That is not clear. In fact that statement is ridiculous.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
20. That's the rightwing view of all wars, that they boost the economy. But they only advantage the 1%.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 07:13 PM
Mar 2014

Obama is taking the heat now from rightwingers calling him weak for not taking military action or sanctions.

But they won't fund jobs and healthcare for veterans, having defeated Sanders' bill for that, trying to sanction Iran.

Now Corker wants to sanction Russia. Or whoever they make villain du jour, to push profits for the Koches from Keystone and their pals in the MIC.



Obama knows we can't afford to fall prey to this game again.

cprise

(8,445 posts)
26. I'd say either Obama is the Reaganite he *openly* claims to be
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:31 PM
Mar 2014

or he's lost control of the people supposedly taking orders from him.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
35. Anyone who has closely followed him knows he's far to the left of how he's portrayed in MSM, etc.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:32 PM
Mar 2014

The Reagan thing has been debunked as having been taken out of context. I've watched the video of the entire speech. He said he'd be seen that way, but he was in no way going to carry out Reagan policies. Then went into his agenda.

question everything

(47,468 posts)
16. Sure. And the Russians can retaliate by stranding the International Space Station astronauts
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:33 PM
Mar 2014

How about returning NASA the funds that the Republicans cut, so that we are not dependent on them, before all these chickenhawks start quaking?

Botany

(70,489 posts)
18. ATTN Bob Corker we already have a Sec. of State
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 06:54 PM
Mar 2014

US Sec. Of State Kerry Against Inflaming Ukraine Situation

US Secretary of State John Kerry Friday urged all players in Ukraine’s
current crisis not to “inflame” an already tense situation in the country.

snip

“While we were told that they are not engaging in any violation of the
sovereignty and do not intend to, I nevertheless made it clear that that
could be misinterpreted at this moment,” Mr. Kerry told reporters along
with visiting Colombian Foreign Minister Maria Holguin at the State
Department. “And that there are enough tensions that it is important for
everybody to be extremely careful not to inflame the situation and not to
send the wrong messages.”

http://www.livetradingnews.com/us-sec-of-state-kerry-against-inflaming-ukraine-situation-33737.htm#.UxJk_BxUOmR

rpannier

(24,329 posts)
23. Russia should just claim they discovered there are weapons of mass destruction in the Ukraine
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 08:21 PM
Mar 2014

make up fake images to bolster their case and then add
"I'm sure Sen Corker and the other Republicans understand the importance of this." and then move on

 

sawdust

(199 posts)
28. Corker is a peice of shit
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 10:37 PM
Mar 2014

In 2009 I worked out of the springhill tn gm plant and as our President was trying to get the auto industry up asshole corker was one of the loudest against the auto bailout needless to say the plant was idled. A cpl of years later the plant came back to life as an engine production facility at the reopening several gm big wigs and dignataries were there and guess who showed up to take credit...you guessed it shithead corker. He tried to say a few words but was booed off stage by uaw workers who were chanting go home corker. Another GOP SLIME BAG!

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
33. I saw him step out and speak out against bailing out the auto industry
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:19 PM
Mar 2014

Let them go bankrupt. I was appalled. I know when bankruptcies are filed, workers who are near retirement or accrued pensions become just another creditor. I tried to imagine a worker in Detroit having maybe 28, 29 years in and hearing Corker say those words. I have despised the man since that time.

He doesn't represent the little guy, the poor person in Tennessee. He works for the big business interests. I would give anything to see him lose his next election and join the ranks of the unemployed.

Sam

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
37. I remember him getting booed. Thanks for the first hand account. I haven't seen much from you yet.
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:36 PM
Mar 2014
I extend a warm welcome to DU.

madrchsod

(58,162 posts)
30. blah, blah, blah we ain't going to do shit..
Sat Mar 1, 2014, 11:08 PM
Mar 2014

corker can saying anything he wants but no one is taking him serous.

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