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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 03:21 AM Mar 2014

Russian servicemen confiscate weapons in Crimea region - Interfax

Source: Reuters

(Reuters) - Russian military servicemen have taken weapons from a radar base and naval training facility in Ukraine's Crimea region and urged personnel to side with the peninsula's "legitimate" leaders, Interfax news agency said on Sunday.

It quoted a Ukrainian Defense Ministry source as saying the Russian servicemen had taken pistols, rifles and ammunition cartridges from the radar post near in the town of Sudak and taken them away by car.

Another group of Russian military had also removed weapons from a Ukrainian navy training centre in the port city of Sevastopol, where Russia's Black Sea Fleet also has a base.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/02/us-urkaine-crisis-weapons-idUSBREA2103Z20140302

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Russian servicemen confiscate weapons in Crimea region - Interfax (Original Post) steve2470 Mar 2014 OP
official Russian government tweet here steve2470 Mar 2014 #1
from Interfax.ru steve2470 Mar 2014 #2
Thank you for the links. I think the Russians are lying out their asses, but it's helpful MADem Mar 2014 #3
My first hunch was trying to gin up an excuse to invade eastern Ukraine steve2470 Mar 2014 #4
Russian troop convoy on road to Crimea’s capital steve2470 Mar 2014 #5
lots of chatter on Twitter about Feodosiya steve2470 Mar 2014 #6
now info about Feodosiya steve2470 Mar 2014 #10
update steve2470 Mar 2014 #11
BBC TV reporting that Russian troops are digging trenches.... steve2470 Mar 2014 #7
Julia Ioffe of the The New Republic's take steve2470 Mar 2014 #8
Ukraine crisis: 'Polite people' leading the silent invasion of the Crimea steve2470 Mar 2014 #9
"we’re in 1917 right now" joshcryer Mar 2014 #12
several million lives later nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #13
Thanks for keeping tabs on this. joshcryer Mar 2014 #14
you're welcome steve2470 Mar 2014 #15
I am concerned about the Crimean Tatars. NutmegYankee Mar 2014 #21
"Hero city." Igel Mar 2014 #17
Meanwhile - in the US - every gun nut who thinks Red Dawn is a documentary hedgehog Mar 2014 #16
You got that. amandabeech Mar 2014 #18
What could make this worse in my mind is if China.. EX500rider Mar 2014 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2014 #20
Of course they do, can't have them fighting back. Putin the honest operator. Yeah Right. nt okaawhatever Mar 2014 #22

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
1. official Russian government tweet here
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 03:53 AM
Mar 2014

Dmitry Medvedev has discussed the crisis in #Ukraine in a telephone conversation with Arseniy Yatsenyuk

https://twitter.com/GovernmentRF/status/440031122752143360

Yatsenyuk = Ukraine Prime Minister (takes me a while to memorize all these names)

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
2. from Interfax.ru
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:04 AM
Mar 2014
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.interfax-russia.ru%2FCenter%2Fmain.asp%3Fid%3D477503%23.UxLVwUF27CM.twitter

(original link: http://www.interfax-russia.ru/Center/main.asp?id=477503#.UxLVwUF27CM.twitter )

Authorities Belgorod region reported an attempt to close the road Moscow-Crimea

March 2. Interfax-Russia.ru - A group of unidentified armed men entered the border with Ukraine Russian regions, attempts to block roads leading to the Crimea, said Governor of the Belgorod region Yevgeny Savchenko.

"The area roam the crowd of armed men, who had taken out of nowhere, set various provocations" - said the head of the region in an interview to " Russia-24 "on Sunday.

According to him, on the eve of "was an attempt to block the road Moscow - Crimea." "All of us are very concerned about it," - said the governor.

*sorry for mangled translation*

Only posting to show what the Russian state media is reporting.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
3. Thank you for the links. I think the Russians are lying out their asses, but it's helpful
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:27 AM
Mar 2014

to see what they are claiming.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
4. My first hunch was trying to gin up an excuse to invade eastern Ukraine
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:30 AM
Mar 2014

Let me give you the better version from Telegraph:

They also report that the Governor of Russia's Belgorod region, near the border with Ukraine, says armed groups tried to cut off roads there leading in to Ukraine.
"Armed men are roaming the area ... There was an attempt to close off the road from Moscow to Crimea," Yevgeny Savchenko was quoted as saying about events. "This is really troubling."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10669670/Ukraine-live-Crimea-leader-appeals-to-Putin-to-help-as-Obama-warns-of-costs-to-Moscow.html

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
5. Russian troop convoy on road to Crimea’s capital
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:47 AM
Mar 2014
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-troops-take-over-ukraines-crimea-region/2014/03/01/64f38f98-a1a3-11e3-878c-65222df220eb_story.html

SIMFEROPOL, Ukraine — Associated Press journalists on Ukraine’s Crimean Peninsula have seen a convoy of hundreds of Russian troops heading toward the regional capital, Simferopol.

Russian troops took over the strategic Black Sea peninsula on Saturday without firing a shot and the new government in Kiev has been powerless to react.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has rejected calls from the West to pull back his forces, insisting that Russia has a right to protect its interests and the Russian-speaking population in Crimea and elsewhere in Ukraine.

On the road from Sevastopol, the Crimean port where Russia maintains a naval base, to Simferopol on Sunday morning, AP journalists saw 12 military trucks carrying troops, a Tiger vehicle armed with a machine gun and also two ambulances.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
10. now info about Feodosiya
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 07:23 AM
Mar 2014

11:20: BBC Russian Service correspondent Oleg Boldyrev at the Crimean base in Feodosiya says the deadline has passed for Ukrainian marines to swear their allegiance to the new Crimean authorities. The base gates are blocked by a chain of Cossacks; two armoured personnel carriers are visible beyond that.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405082

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
11. update
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 07:27 AM
Mar 2014
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26405082

11:21: More from BBC Russian correspondent Oleg Boldyrev at the Ukrainian marine base in Feodosiya: "The atmosphere is calm but people are chanting. There are calls for the Ukrainain marines not to obey orders from Kiev... [It is] very calm at the moment, with locals coming to thank Russian soldiers."

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
7. BBC TV reporting that Russian troops are digging trenches....
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 05:16 AM
Mar 2014

BBC TV reporting that Russian troops are digging trenches at the land border between Crimea and rest of Ukraine

https://twitter.com/jason_corcoran/status/440050135418941441

Corcoran is with Bloomberg News.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
8. Julia Ioffe of the The New Republic's take
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 05:31 AM
Mar 2014
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116810/putin-declares-war-ukraine-and-us-or-nato-wont-do-much

Why is Putin doing this? Because he can. That's it, that's all you need to know. The situation in Kiev—in which people representing one half of the country (the Ukrainian-speaking west) took power to some extent at the expense of the Russian-speaking east—created the perfect opportunity for Moscow to divide and conquer. As soon as the revolution in Kiev happened, there was an unhappy rumbling in the Crimea, which has a large Russian population and is home to the Russian Black Sea Fleet. It was a small rumbling, but just big enough for Russia to exploit. And when such an opportunity presents itself, one would be foolish not to take it, especially if one's name is Vladimir Putin.

We didn't think Putin would do this. Why, exactly? This has often puzzled me about Western analysis of Russia. It is often predicated on wholly Western logic: surely, Russia won't invade [Georgia, Ukraine, whoever's next] because war is costly and the Russian economy isn't doing well and surely Putin doesn't want another hit to an already weak ruble; because Russia doesn't need to conquer Crimea if Crimea is going to secede on its own; Russia will not want to risk the geopolitical isolation, and "what's really in it for Russia?"—stop. Russia, or, more accurately, Putin, sees the world according to his own logic, and the logic goes like this: it is better to be feared than loved, it is better to be overly strong than to risk appearing weak, and Russia was, is, and will be an empire with an eternal appetite for expansion. And it will gather whatever spurious reasons it needs to insulate itself territorially from what it still perceives to be a large and growing NATO threat. Trying to harness Russia with our own logic just makes us miss Putin's next steps.

Pessimism always wins. One of the reasons I left my correspondent's post in Moscow was because Russia, despite all the foam on the water, is ultimately a very boring place. Unfortunately, all you really need to do to seem clairvoyant about the place is to be an utter pessimist. Will Vladimir Putin allow the ostensibly liberal Dmitry Medvedev to have a second term? Not a chance. There are protests in the streets of Moscow. Will Putin crackdown? Yup. There's rumbling in the Crimea, will Putin take advantage and take the Crimean peninsula? You betcha. And you know why being a pessimist is the best way to predict outcomes in Russia? Because Putin and those around him are, fundamentally, terminal pessimists. They truly believe that there is an American conspiracy afoot to topple Putin, that Russian liberals are traitors corrupted by and loyal to the West, they truly believe that, should free and fair elections be held in Russia, their countrymen would elect bloodthirsty fascists, rather than democratic liberals. To a large extent, Putin really believes that he is the one man standing between Russia and the yawning void. Putin's Kremlin is dark and scary, and, ultimately, very boring.

Remember the U.N.? Russia loves the U.N. Anytime the U.S. or Europe want to do anything on the world stage, Russia pipes up, demanding the issue be taken to the U.N. for the inevitable Russian veto. As Steven Lee Meyers, Moscow correspondent for the New York Times, pointed out, Russia does not seem to even remember that the institution exists today. Ditto for all that talk of "political solutions" and "diplomatic solutions" and "dialogue" we heard about in Syria. In other words, what we are seeing today—Russia's unilateral declaration of war—is the clearest statement yet of Russia's actual position: Putin empathizes with Bashar al-Assad as a fellow leader holding his country back from the brink and doing the dirty work that needs to be done to accomplish that, and the U.N. is just a convenient mechanism for keeping nay-sayers with large armies at bay.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
9. Ukraine crisis: 'Polite people' leading the silent invasion of the Crimea
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 05:49 AM
Mar 2014
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10670547/Ukraine-crisis-Polite-people-leading-the-silent-invasion-of-the-Crimea.html

Outside a Ukrainian Navy installation in the suburbs of Simferopol, a man in his 20s sat on a low wall reading the local paper when a young woman approached and gave him a bag of apples.

“Thank you for coming,” she said. An ordinary enough scene, if he had not also been wearing Russian-issue green combat fatigues and cradling a Kalashnikov assault rifle.

“The 810th marine infantry brigade of the Hero City of Sebastopol,” said the soldier, putting down his copy of Krymskaya Pravda. “We’re here to help.”

The seven men around him − six with Kalashnikovs, one with a Dragunov sniper rifle − shrugged in agreement. If their NCO was willing to talk, why should they deny it?

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
14. Thanks for keeping tabs on this.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 07:36 AM
Mar 2014

Got to sleep. Probably won't even sleep... but oh well, I gotta turn this off.

It amazes me the extent people are going to defend Putin's actions. I only hope Crimean ethnic Ukrainians and Tartar's keep calm and hope for a gentle forced relocation in the event they no longer like the territory they will be living under.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
15. you're welcome
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 07:38 AM
Mar 2014

I hope the best for the Ukrainians and Tartars also. I really think Putin is reclaiming Crimea. I hope you're right about him staying out of eastern Ukraine.

NutmegYankee

(16,199 posts)
21. I am concerned about the Crimean Tatars.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 05:02 PM
Mar 2014

Last time Russia grabbed the province they massacred and exiled them. I'm sure they will get expelled.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
17. "Hero city."
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 03:50 PM
Mar 2014

Ah. Says a lot about nationalism: It's a city where a lot of Russians lost their lives defending Mother Russia against the fascist hordes. It's like saying "US Marines, ma'am, from San Antonio, home of the Alamo, here to defend you against the Mexicans." Esp. since the usual portrayal of Ukrainians, when not bumpkins, is as Hitler-defending Jew-killing anti-Russian fascists.

Pure jingoism. Which will be ignored by many here.


It's also a city that isn't under the autonomous part of Crimea, but land that's simply Ukrainian. So the new Crimean leader's authority doesn't, according to the published rules of the game so far, extend there.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
16. Meanwhile - in the US - every gun nut who thinks Red Dawn is a documentary
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 09:34 AM
Mar 2014

just felt justified about opposing registration of guns.

 

amandabeech

(9,893 posts)
18. You got that.
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:11 PM
Mar 2014

There are so many bad things that could come out of this mess, and that's just one of them, unfortunately.

EX500rider

(10,839 posts)
19. What could make this worse in my mind is if China..
Sun Mar 2, 2014, 04:31 PM
Mar 2014

....thinking the eyes of the world and all the heat are on Russia tries to take some of the islands they want and they pick the wrong opponent. I expect the Philippines would do the smart thing and fold but I worry pressure from local nationalists might make Japan or South Korea fight back, US helps then its semi-WWIII...

Just deserts for Putin would be instead China striking for the mineral/oil rich Russian far East while the good mobile Russian forces are busy west....that one we could sit out I think.

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