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angka

(1,599 posts)
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 07:58 PM Mar 2014

Dexter cancer patient (Boonstra) who called health care 'unaffordable' will save more than $1K

Source: Detroit News

A Dexter cancer patient featured in a conservative group’s TV ad campaign denouncing her new health care coverage as “unaffordable” will save more than $1,000 this year under the plan, The Detroit News has learned.

Julie Boonstra, 49, starred last month in an emotional television ad, sponsored by Americans for Prosperity, that implied Democratic U.S. Rep. Gary Peters’ vote for the Affordable Care Act made her medication so “unaffordable” that she could die. Peters of Bloomfield Township is running for an open U.S. Senate seat against Republican Terri Lynn Land.

Boonstra said Monday her new plan she dislikes is the Blue Cross Premier Gold health care plan — which caps patient responsibility for out-of-pocket costs at $5,100 a year, lower than the federal law’s maximum of $6,350 a year. It means the new plan will save her at least $1,200 compared with her former insurance plan she preferred that was ended under Obamacare’s coverage requirements...

Boonstra is the ex-wife of Mark Boonstra, the former Washtenaw County GOP chairman whom Gov. Rick Snyder appointed to the Michigan Court of Appeals in 2012. Julie Boonstra said she’s never been a political person...



Read more: http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20140310/LIFESTYLE03/303100100#ixzz2vbKE7auR
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Dexter cancer patient (Boonstra) who called health care 'unaffordable' will save more than $1K (Original Post) angka Mar 2014 OP
None of these people believe in hell. mbperrin Mar 2014 #1
I couldn't get the link posted to work - if anyone else has a problem, link below OKNancy Mar 2014 #2
Thanks for that. nt okaawhatever Mar 2014 #3
Works for me angka Mar 2014 #6
Don't confuse her with the facts, it is tea time. Downwinder Mar 2014 #4
Hell, my wife and I are going to save over $20,000 this year in premiums alone . . . Journeyman Mar 2014 #5
She's married to a TeaPuker...she IS political by default. SoapBox Mar 2014 #7
That's exactly how I describe her TxDemChem Mar 2014 #9
Plutocracy geretogo Mar 2014 #8
She has no shame. nt WhiteTara Mar 2014 #10
time for shame and blame daybranch Mar 2014 #11
I'm just astonished that the RW rag Detroit News published this. llmart Mar 2014 #12
for tea baggers casual lying is normal rafeh1 Mar 2014 #16
"out of pocket" must not include the deductible, I take it? DebJ Mar 2014 #13
Out of pocket includes deductible sobenji Mar 2014 #14
Hm. I will have to check out the website again. Thanks. n/t DebJ Mar 2014 #15
Yea, you should go ahead and do that. nt ChisolmTrailDem Mar 2014 #17
I am a supporter of the ACA, so please don't misinterpret the intent of my question. DebJ Mar 2014 #18
ACA Caps cynzke Mar 2014 #19
Thank you very much for your informative response. DebJ Mar 2014 #20
My wife was particularly peeved at this one... jimlup Mar 2014 #21
I can guarantee the Koch brothers were behind this. SmittynMo Mar 2014 #22
I posted this to Facebook . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #23
Something tells me that she realizes she isn't as "up" on the details as you are. llmart Mar 2014 #24
I am single, but was uninsured for several years from 2002 to 2006 . . . markpkessinger Mar 2014 #25
This ad is still running - in fact it JUST ran Siwsan Mar 2014 #26
Americans for the Koch brothers Prosperity, meaning us, charlie and dave. father founding Mar 2014 #27
I wonder if she even has cancer! Indyfan53 Mar 2014 #28

Journeyman

(15,026 posts)
5. Hell, my wife and I are going to save over $20,000 this year in premiums alone . . .
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 08:30 PM
Mar 2014

But given that Obama is walking back the shitty insurance rejection, doesn't Julie have an opportunity to once again piss her money away?

geretogo

(1,281 posts)
8. Plutocracy
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 09:27 PM
Mar 2014

In America there are two realities , one by the extreme right and their creaters ie. Limbaugh , Koch Brothers , Hannity , Fox News .
The other real reality is where most people live and work . Since the Plutocrats with their billions own and rule America ,Truth , Justice and Democracy are slowly becoming extinct .

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
11. time for shame and blame
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 10:15 PM
Mar 2014

Michigan Democrats shoulld make her lying performance, her husband's obvious political ties questioning her own political disconnection etc. a big part of their strategy. She is not an independent citizen but a hack whose family enjoys wealth from the republicans. Go get her. Her lies cannot stand!

llmart

(15,534 posts)
12. I'm just astonished that the RW rag Detroit News published this.
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 10:17 PM
Mar 2014

I saw this ad for the first time about a week ago and whenever it comes on I have to mute the TV. I just knew she was either a paid tool for the Republicans or someone's relative.

Yep. She has no shame.

rafeh1

(385 posts)
16. for tea baggers casual lying is normal
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:27 AM
Mar 2014

for tea baggers casual lying is normal. As long as the cause is good (dump on Obama, Dump on poor, dump on Muslims) lying is ok. End justifies the means. I mean whats a few facts when facing Satan's minion Obama..

Maybe we should not call them liars just factually challenged (FC).

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
13. "out of pocket" must not include the deductible, I take it?
Mon Mar 10, 2014, 10:33 PM
Mar 2014

Because I saw many plans with deductibles of $10-$12 k.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
18. I am a supporter of the ACA, so please don't misinterpret the intent of my question.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 01:04 AM
Mar 2014

Our insurance might bite the dust this June, so I did try to check things out when the website was malfunctioning.

Here's the difference: I was looking at plan deductibles for a 2 person family, and that means out of pocket can't exceed$6250 per INDIVIDUAL, or $12,500 for a family. Since I was looking at plans for both of us, yes, the $10-$12k deductibles do apply.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
19. ACA Caps
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 09:04 AM
Mar 2014

your annual pay out at $6,350 as an individual. This is the combination of your deductible and your out of pocket expenses. Families have a higher cap at $12,700. It is doubled, incorporating two people. For families, that is a high threshold to meet. Since ACA puts an annual cap on what you have to pay out , insurance companies have adjusted their plans accordingly making sure you will have to reach that cap amount before they payout. Unless, of course, you are willing to pay more in premium for a high end policy with lower deductibles. One thing not widely publicized is that the family plan premiums max out at three children and additional children are covered for free. Deductibles were intended to discourage people from abusing their doctor visits, seeking medical treatment for minor problems that do not necessarily require a doctor. With the ACA consumer protections, insurance companies are using higher deductibles as means of getting more money out of you and having to delay paying out claims to offset the financial limits imposed on them by these consumer protections. People were shocked that premiums went up, but what do you think the insurance companies were going to do now that they have to conform to the ACA and harnessed by these protections. But now insurance companies have to justify their rates and 80 cents of every dollar they charge has to be spent on medical expenditures. If not, we get a rebate.

DebJ

(7,699 posts)
20. Thank you very much for your informative response.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 09:08 AM
Mar 2014

'out of pocket' does include coinsurance, too, right?

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
21. My wife was particularly peeved at this one...
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 10:56 AM
Mar 2014

But we knew from the start that it had to have a false foundation and indeed we were right.

The problem is that even though it isn't running anymore (they seemed to pull it when Obama changed added the 2 year delay to the "you can keep your healthcare" thing) I think the damn thing probably got a lot people in Michigan who are only paying partial attention very confused. It served its purpose and now the idiots and the ignorant will not hear about this counter-story.

SmittynMo

(3,544 posts)
22. I can guarantee the Koch brothers were behind this.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 12:00 PM
Mar 2014

Reid was right. They're Koch addicts. Their hatred for the ACA and Obama has gone too far. To broadcast these lies is in-despicable. And they're too damn lazy to fact check or do simple math to figure out she was actually saving money. What a bunch of idiots. Can't they be sued for slander?

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
23. I posted this to Facebook . . .
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 04:47 PM
Mar 2014

. . . and got a response from a second cousin of mine (whom I haven't seen in decades). She is 64 and lives in Utah, and she and her husband have done pretty well financially. They aren't super wealthy, but lead a very comfortable upper-middle-class existence without having to worry too much (and hey, good for them). I had the following face-palm inducing exchange with her:

2nd Cousin: I can say that as a 64 year old woman who had a special senior policy, my insurance rates went up $1,200 per year so that my carrier could provide me with mandatory abortion and maternity care. This just feels like a tax without calling it a tax. Thank you all those who believe that I need abortion and maternity care at age 64 for the low price of $1,200.

Me: And the premiums of younger women who may need those services incorporate the costs of providing health care services to older people as well -- services those younger women are far less likely to need at that point in their lives. That's what insurance is all about. If your premium reflected the full, actuarial risk for an average 64-year-old and none of the costs of providing birth control and maternity care (the Affordable Care Act DOES NOT mandate coverage for abortion except in cases of medical necessity or in cases of rape or incest), and a 25 year-old-woman's premium reflected only her actuarial risk PLUS those same services, your premium would be substantially higher than it is now, and the 25-year-old's would be far lower.

2nd Cousin: I have to admit that I don't understand too much about the insurance industry, but I know that my daughter (who was ages 9-15) and I (29 to 35) live quite nicely without any insurance at all for 6 years. I just don't understand the intrusion into everyone's life requiring insurance for things they necessarily need. My nice Brittany is 32 and has never had insurance and intends to pay the fine rather than be forced to buy insurance. Besides, how much insurance do we really need. If I have a serious accident in my home or car, my insurance already covers that. If you have an accident in my home or my car, my insurance covers that. Why aren't we addressing the cost of medical care which is the real issue, people can't afford medical treatment because the costs are completely out of control.

2nd Cousin: Oops, that was supposed to read " for things they don't necessarily need."

Me: And what would have happened if either of your daughters, during that time that they were uninsured, had suffered a catastrophic injury or illness? Anything can happen to anyone at any time. The reality is they would have been wiped out financially, and likely would not have had access to certain treatment options because of their inability to pay for them. (And any expenses for care she received but couldn't pay for would have to be written off by her care providers and hence passed on to taxpayers anyway.) My sister, Siri, can tell you about a family in her church who lost their teenage son to leukemia. They even had insurance for their son, but it had a lifetime cap on benefits, which his treatments quickly exhausted. Now, in addition to having to cope with the unimaginable grief of losing a child, they are in bankruptcy and have lost their home. THAT is the inhuman reality of the system we had prior to the Affordable Care Act.

Me: I agree with your point about medical care costs. And the Affordable Care Act, to be sure, falls short in reining in those costs. The way to do that would be a single-payer system, but to date, at least, that has not been remotely politically feasible in this country. Providing health care using for-profit, private insurance companies has been and remains an inefficient and dysfunctional way to go about it. Private insurance companies are nothing but a middle man who adds nothing of value to the care received, and merely adds to the cost. But as soon as you even begin to talk about a single-payer systems, conservatives begin sscreaming about 'socialized medicine' (which it really isn't).


Haven't had any further response.

llmart

(15,534 posts)
24. Something tells me that she realizes she isn't as "up" on the details as you are.
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 05:06 PM
Mar 2014

That's what usually happens when you provide facts and all they have is the memes they hear from RW media.

Also, with those types, it's always about me, me, me. Sure, it's easy for her to say now, after the fact, that she didn't need the insurance for so many years, but she had no way of knowing that. That's what any insurance is all about.

There was a short period in my life when we (young family of four at that time) didn't have insurance and it scared the daylights out of me.

markpkessinger

(8,392 posts)
25. I am single, but was uninsured for several years from 2002 to 2006 . . .
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:30 PM
Mar 2014

. . . and lived in fear of having any serious health issue arise.

But it simply amazes me when people like this second cousin of mine point to a period during which they were uninsured, and also were lucky enough to get through without any serious illness or injury, and then cite that as a time when they didn't "need" insurance. Amazing.

Siwsan

(26,251 posts)
26. This ad is still running - in fact it JUST ran
Tue Mar 11, 2014, 06:48 PM
Mar 2014

The very first time I saw it, my 'hinkey' sense lit up. Hopefully her new plan cover a conscience transplant.

 

father founding

(619 posts)
27. Americans for the Koch brothers Prosperity, meaning us, charlie and dave.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:58 AM
Mar 2014

Let the Koch's pay the twelve hundred dollars..

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