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groundloop

(11,518 posts)
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 08:23 AM Mar 2014

Obama Will Seek Broad Expansion of Overtime Pay

Source: NY Times

WASHINGTON — President Obama this week will seek to force American businesses to pay more overtime to millions of workers, the latest move by his administration to confront corporations that have had soaring profits even as wages have stagnated.

On Thursday, the president will direct the Labor Department to revamp its regulations to require overtime pay for several million additional fast-food managers, loan officers, computer technicians and others whom many businesses currently classify as “executive or professional” employees to avoid paying them overtime, according to White House officials briefed on the announcement.

Mr. Obama’s decision to use his executive authority to change the nation’s overtime rules is likely to be seen as a challenge to Republicans in Congress, who have already blocked most of the president’s economic agenda and have said they intend to fight his proposal to raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 per hour from $7.25.

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Since the mid-1980s, corporate profits have soared, reaching a post-World War II record as a share of economic output. The profits of the companies in the Standard & Poor’s 500 have doubled since the recession ended in June 2009, but wages have stagnated for a vast majority of workers in the same period. Recently, workers’ wages fell close to an all-time low as a share of the economy.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/12/us/politics/obama-will-seek-broad-expansion-of-overtime-pay.html?emc=edit_th_20140312&nl=todaysheadlines&nlid=36371920&_r=0




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Obama Will Seek Broad Expansion of Overtime Pay (Original Post) groundloop Mar 2014 OP
So is this part a threat? AllyCat Mar 2014 #1
Its about time 4dsc Mar 2014 #2
Absolutely! sybylla Mar 2014 #10
What should be a National Standard Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #3
Don't allow exemptions for "negotiated, contracted salary" that will be abused unless.... groundloop Mar 2014 #5
I'd go higher yet. Half-Century Man Mar 2014 #12
about time! LittleGirl Mar 2014 #4
Of course the right-wing answer to you was "if you don't like your job find a different one" groundloop Mar 2014 #6
what is with them? LittleGirl Mar 2014 #9
Awaiting the trolls durablend Mar 2014 #7
I dont think pushing for wages will doom the Nov elections! 7962 Mar 2014 #8
K&R JoeyT Mar 2014 #11
It Has Come To A Pretty Pass In this Country As We Witness The Citizens Of bkanderson76 Mar 2014 #13
At the end of the article: riqster Mar 2014 #14
If his confirmation had any chance before, it surely won't now. Moosepoop Mar 2014 #24
Another great gift to the working class from President Obama! Dem4ever27 Mar 2014 #15
I wouldn't call it a gift. Workers have earned their overtime pay. Kingofalldems Mar 2014 #18
We could have been close to millionaires if my husband had received OT pay all these years LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #16
Good news. jsr Mar 2014 #17
Except that employers can refuse to authorize OT, so you go home at 40 hours ... Myrina Mar 2014 #19
IMO that's still a huge improvement over people being expected to work OT for free groundloop Mar 2014 #20
Except when review time comes & you're dinged for 'not getting your work done on time' Myrina Mar 2014 #21
The workload didn't change, just the hours. kcass1954 Mar 2014 #22
that my friend is JOB Creation! VanillaRhapsody Mar 2014 #27
Great move. That you are theoretically "managing" two or three other employees should not JDPriestly Mar 2014 #23
Definitely. Incitatus Mar 2014 #25
Great! It spurs two things, one of the them greater employment. Overworking people leads to health freshwest Mar 2014 #26
K & R Iliyah Mar 2014 #28
Min. Wage should be around $15, otherwise it just means more poverty Corruption Inc Mar 2014 #29
Depends on where you live though... penultimate Mar 2014 #31
Kick. n/t Tx4obama Mar 2014 #30

AllyCat

(16,178 posts)
1. So is this part a threat?
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:01 AM
Mar 2014

“If they push through something to make a certain class of workers more expensive, something will happen to adjust.”

Really, we have been adjusted for the past 8 years, if not the last 30. We've been paid nothing extra and yet prices still soar. The American people need to say, "try me".

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
3. What should be a National Standard
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:07 AM
Mar 2014

Time +(1/2) rate for time spent working in excess of 8 hours in a day.
Time +(1/2) rate for hours spent working in excess of 40 hrs in a week.
2X rate of pay for hours spent working on the Seventh (and greater) consecutive day(s).
3X rate of pay for hours spent working on Federally recognized holidays.

This should be the standard for all persons not operating with a clearly defined, negotiated, and contracted salary. Exemptions will have to be made for public employees (Emergency and law enforcement workers), as we can best work out.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
5. Don't allow exemptions for "negotiated, contracted salary" that will be abused unless....
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:18 AM
Mar 2014

Unless the clearly defined salary is above some standard, say $60,000 per year. I know all too well how employers take every possible advantage of workers, and I applaud President Obama's effort to fix these loopholes. I'm sure the right wing will fight this kicking and screaming, claiming it will cost jobs etc. etc.

Half-Century Man

(5,279 posts)
12. I'd go higher yet.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:05 AM
Mar 2014

Say above $100,000.00 (one hundred thousand dollars base pay).
I never was management so, I can only speculate. I did serve on several round table meetings (formal and informal) on the subject of union pay proposals (UFCW and UAW).
I am basing the above figure on years of factory work/informal conversations with salaried employees/evaluations of upper managements stratagems and techniques/the old threshold of the bottom of the middle class pay; otherwise known as pulled otta my butt.

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
4. about time!
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:14 AM
Mar 2014

As an IT administrator managing a network with 17 thousand end users, I had to migrate email boxes to another server over the course of weekends and holidays. Because I was considered 'professional' status, I was exempt from overtime pay. My employer was owned abroad and international and they followed the law to the T. Which means that working on weekends and holidays was 'free' to them, the employers, but I ask you, what is the cost of giving up family time every week or over the winter break? I see this as a significant help for IT administrators that do this over and over until they burn out. It's wrong and it needs to stop and I hope that President Obama is remembered for his continuous display of empathy for us little guys.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
6. Of course the right-wing answer to you was "if you don't like your job find a different one"
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:24 AM
Mar 2014

I hear that all the time when I mention that certain groups of workers ought to get paid more or treated better. "Well if they don't like where they're at they should find a different job". That's total bullshit, EVERY worker should be treated fairly.

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
9. what is with them?
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:43 AM
Mar 2014

They totally suck too. Until it happens to them and then they cross over and agree with you. That's when I want to slap 'em.

durablend

(7,460 posts)
7. Awaiting the trolls
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:32 AM
Mar 2014

Who insist that this is one other thing that will DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM us come November.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
8. I dont think pushing for wages will doom the Nov elections!
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:37 AM
Mar 2014

I've never worked a place where OT wasnt as listed above anyway; but i know there are abuses out there.

bkanderson76

(266 posts)
13. It Has Come To A Pretty Pass In this Country As We Witness The Citizens Of
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:12 AM
Mar 2014

This America sitting idly by in some cowering position, laying away in some dark corner, cautious in their ways as not to bring attention to themselves from the evil corporate monster. I believe it's a sorry state of affairs that this 'new age' American worker has let loose the customary grip held with his neighbors in their effort to stand united in the centuries-old cause to pursue the American Dream of economic independence.
As this president chooses to act in this matter, I applaud his concern.
But I must insist that its a damn shame to see the those of society clamoring over each other in the race for the BigMac....With some self-centered pursuit as they scramble to the nearest mall to buy useless fucking stuff that they don't fucking need with money they don't fucking have.
All the while happier than hell they broke 'The Union' because, well, them boys made too much fucking money anyway....Sorry Neighbor
So I say Thanks Mr. President....appreciate the gesture...but Screw 'Em....lemming

riqster

(13,986 posts)
14. At the end of the article:
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:51 AM
Mar 2014

"If the changes to the overtime regulations are made, it will fall to the Labor Department’s wage and hour administrator to put them into effect. That position has been vacant since Mr. Obama took office. David Weil, a professor at the Boston University School of Management, is the latest nominee for the post. He is awaiting confirmation."

Moosepoop

(1,920 posts)
24. If his confirmation had any chance before, it surely won't now.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:01 PM
Mar 2014

The Repubs will certainly stall or block his confirmation just to throw a wrench into the executive order. That's assuming that they wouldn't have anyway -- and given their track record, they probably were going to do so even before this, just to be the obstructionist dickheads that they are.

 

Dem4ever27

(49 posts)
15. Another great gift to the working class from President Obama!
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 10:57 AM
Mar 2014

Those nasty repukes will try to scuttle it.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
16. We could have been close to millionaires if my husband had received OT pay all these years
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:09 AM
Mar 2014

He works in IT, as a database administrator. When we were raising kids I was virtually a single parent because of the amount of OT he had to put in, and still does.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
19. Except that employers can refuse to authorize OT, so you go home at 40 hours ...
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 12:58 PM
Mar 2014

... and then they just bring in no bennie part timers on off-shifts to make up the slack.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
20. IMO that's still a huge improvement over people being expected to work OT for free
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 01:05 PM
Mar 2014

Let's see.... would I rather work weekends for free, or be home with my family while someone else gets paid to work weekends?

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
21. Except when review time comes & you're dinged for 'not getting your work done on time'
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 01:14 PM
Mar 2014

... there goes your raise/bonus whatever because - of course - in the boss' mind, you and you alone are to blame for the company not meeting financial goals. Several years ago a company I was working at did 'employee analysis' for every position and role and ranked everyone in that position against each other ... those who never worked OT or didn't have massive output numbers were ranked the lowest and ... buh bye.

Personally I would LOVE it if the US switched to a 32-hour workweek = fulltime because I feel like we work ourselves to death in service of no one but the CEO, but my opinion is neither here nor there in the grand scheme of policy planning.


kcass1954

(1,819 posts)
22. The workload didn't change, just the hours.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 01:29 PM
Mar 2014

I try to skate in at just under 40. I have to work hard, and work fast to do that, and I'm always afraid I'll make a mistake. I'm exhausted when I get home every night.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
23. Great move. That you are theoretically "managing" two or three other employees should not
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 05:08 PM
Mar 2014

relieve your boss of the responsibility for paying you overtime. That is especially true if you are earning only slightly more than the likely minimum-wage employees that you supervise.

Incitatus

(5,317 posts)
25. Definitely.
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:18 PM
Mar 2014

Companies have been getting away with that shit for too long. I know a few people in such situations. Some people they manage can make more than them per year while working less hours per year. It is a path to higher positions that pay a better salary, but it can take years to get there and then they are still stuck working well over 40 hours for crap compensation beyond their salary.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
26. Great! It spurs two things, one of the them greater employment. Overworking people leads to health
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 09:26 PM
Mar 2014
and family problems and it obscures the corporate method of paying less benefits and hiring less people, to maximize profits at the top.

Such exhaustion of workers also leads to less participation in society, as the workers are not able do anything off the job. Even voting is affected. If you scarely know when you are coming or going, it's the bottom of your list unless you are thoroughly informed on who is screwing you. The way people live, they don't have enough time to think about it

The other thing is just ending the bullshitting about titles that make some workers think they are better from others. This is a way of unifying society. It respects the individual and their time, which when all is said and done, is all that our lives are, a succession of hours and days and so on. What we can achieve with decent conditions will bring us back to a more sane society

Unions used to perform this function, now Obama is doing it for the non-union workforce as well. I was in a union where we negotiated a contract that went even further on overtime than the federal laws covered. They'd been working people for several days in a row, night and day, because the work was an essential service.

The company didn't want to hire anyone, because the law had come down on them and said they had to hire a more diverse work group. Women, gays, latinos and blacks were to be added to jobs previously all held by white males. The company had a quota, and tried to hire over half the new workers they needed from the white male pool.

As they year went, down the societal totem pole they went: latino males, black males, white women and finally minority women. The old 'last hired and first fired' routine.

Gays were added per race and gender. Rules were posted barring any discrimination or harrassment against any group and forbidding a hostile work environment for anyone. It was a great place to work for a long time.

(((And please, from what I saw of how those quotas were fulfilled, still protecting the dominant group. Cry me a river if you don't like quotas. I heard so much of that at that time and it created Reagan Democrats. No one was allowed to stay in the job if they couldn't carry their load, Period.)))

But despite the shenanigans, they were forced to hire more people end the way they were abusing overtime. We didn't have a load of titles that meant a person worked off the clock and was supposed to be the boss's pet. It was all on the clock, no matter what job it was, clerical, accounting, computer work, drafting, construction, transportation, whatever. No fooling around.

Obama is standing up for workers against corporations, but we knew that, just as 22 million union members knew:



We know the Koch brothers will be bankrolling the GOP to combat this. The battle is on.

 

Corruption Inc

(1,568 posts)
29. Min. Wage should be around $15, otherwise it just means more poverty
Wed Mar 12, 2014, 11:59 PM
Mar 2014

So if a person wants more and more poverty this $10.10 propaganda is good news to them.

penultimate

(1,110 posts)
31. Depends on where you live though...
Thu Mar 13, 2014, 09:26 AM
Mar 2014

In much of the country you can get by on $10.10, but in others it is impossible. I did alright making $10/hr for a bit when I lived in Austin, TX (this was back in 2008 though) I don't think I would have been able to do that in Los Angeles or NYC area (I lived on Long Island too, so I know how expensive that whole area is)

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