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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:22 AM Mar 2014

Ukraine crisis: EU signs association deal

Last edited Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:29 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: BBC News

EU leaders have signed an agreement on closer relations with Ukraine, in show of support following Russia's annexation of Crimea.

Ukraine's interim PM Arseniy Yatsenyuk and the EU signed the deal in Brussels.

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The EU Association Agreement is designed to give Ukraine's interim leadership economic and political support.



Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26680250



Headline changed - BBC keeps amending

EU statement here : http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cms_data/docs/pressdata/en/ec/141707.pdf
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24601

(3,955 posts)
1. Take that, you Russian bastards. Step out of line and feel the full force of a harshly-worded
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 05:35 AM
Mar 2014

diplomatic letter from the EU. One more misstep beyond that and watch out for you run the risk of receiving a very, very unfavorable communication from NATO.

So there!

 

Nanjing to Seoul

(2,088 posts)
3. They learned from Chamberlain and Harry Reid during the Bush years how to handle a bully
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:01 AM
Mar 2014

A sternly worded letter is always better than action.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
4. It not necessarily compassion.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:05 AM
Mar 2014

If the EU are loaning in some shape or form $15 billion they'll need some an of agreement of some type in place first.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
6. Maybe I should have used the sarcasm tag.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:20 AM
Mar 2014

Sorry, I just don't trust governments or the IMF or World Bank. They're too eager to use people to nurse them out of self-inflicted, monumental problems. I think Ukraine should beware....but....it is between a rock and a hard place.

Democracyinkind

(4,015 posts)
9. That's just the BBC's addition.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:28 AM
Mar 2014

The Association Agreement was on the table long before the Russian intervention. Its existence is not a reaction to what the Russians did, although the timing may be.

The retalitory policy of the EU is rather reflected in the sanctions, and in the calls for excluding Russia from G8.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
10. Interesting point
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:16 AM
Mar 2014

I was trying to get on the BBC site, but have had problems accessing the article. The site has had some problems lately from what I've heard.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
11. This was the deal that was in the works all along
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:35 AM
Mar 2014

that the Russians held off with their $15 billion loan previously. Now the EU is offering it once again, yet not fully signing until May as stated in the article. The signing today was to say they will implement the deal in May. Kind of strange in a way as wouldn't it make more sense to actually give the money now as Ukraine needs $50 billion to pull out of debt? I think behind the scenes the characters in the government are too unsavory (nefarious) to risk giving money to.

Of course, those loaning the money will want their money back plus something in return. That something in return is natural gas for European countries. They won't frack themselves France has recently implemented new laws against fracking, Germany, Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Romania are all implementing new laws against, now) but they will let Ukraine enjoy that nice glass of fire water.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2013/oct/11/france-fracking-ban-shale-gas
http://keeptapwatersafe.org/global-bans-on-fracking/

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
12. The real nuts and bolts of the deal from Realnews.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:47 AM
Mar 2014
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11567


Excerpt:

One of the big story elements that's missing from this situation is the incredible exposure of European banks, especially from Austria, Germany, Italy, Portugal, and Greece in terms of loans that they've made since 2005. Their lending to Ukraine and its eight neighbors has increased by about threefold to nearly $1.4 trillion.
And so, you know, Austria in particular has about 35 percent of their total foreign bank loan portfolio in these nine countries. Germany has about 5 percent. Italy has 27 percent. And, amazingly, Greece and Portugal, which we, you know, associate with being bankrupt themselves, have put 18 to 20 percent of their loans into Ukraine and its neighbors--Hungary, Slovakia, Poland, Belarus, Bulgaria, and Russia itself.

Now, some of these countries have reserves. Russia, for example, has more than $550 billion of foreign reserves. But when you take out the reserves of the other countries, most of them are still heavy net borrowers. And so if there were some kind of economic crisis or if we tried to really assert trade sanctions or, you know, crack down on the foreign assets of Russian oligarchs, for example, I think a lot of these Western banks are concerned that it would sink the fragile European economic recovery and basically, you know, put a lot of these Western banks under.

Russia was originally going to put up $15 billion when Yanukovych was still prime minister and running the show, but since he was ousted, they withdrew that offer. I think the latest--the problem that Ukraine faces is that they have some big bills coming due. They have to--$1.9 billion of outstanding debt to Gazprom, the Russian gas company. And, you know, the number we have (but it's shaky) is $15-20 billion just to get through the end of the year.

So, traditionally the IMF doesn't do that for free. They come in and they'll lend money under so-called stabilization programs, which generally means, you know, a cutback in economic growth and domestic consumption in order to pay the creditors. Ukraine's outstanding debt right now is north of $200 billion. And so we're talking about a substantial amount of money just to pay those banks that have loaned so heavily to the Ukraine.

But more generally, Ukraine's other neighbors are also heavy borrowers. In fact, the interesting thing is that in the wake of the mortgage crisis in 2008, I think Western banks took a look around at who was borrowing, and they said, well, this is a good idea, let's lend money to Eastern Europe. And so they've done a lot of heavy lending here.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
13. IMF is no saint. However, you have to understand that Ukraine wants to be part of Europe
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 11:41 AM
Mar 2014

in more than geographical terms. People died. It will be tough in the beginning. But this is what most Ukrainians want.

 

go west young man

(4,856 posts)
14. I think your right in regard to Western Ukraine and Kiev
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 12:04 PM
Mar 2014

but East Ukraine is a very different story. I think around the time of their election we will most likely see a split.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
16. Now with Krymea gone, the pro-EU Ukraininas have a clear majority over the Russophile
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:31 PM
Mar 2014

Ukraininans. It was a 50-50 split before, but not anymore.

dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
15. EU Ads $1.4Bln to Ukrainian Aid After Political Deal Signed
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 03:05 PM
Mar 2014

KIEV, March 21 (RIA Novosti) – The European Union announced a $1.4 billion increase in its aid package to Ukraine on Friday, hours after Kiev signed the political part of its association agreement with Brussels.

“The EU decided to increase financial aid to Ukraine from 610 million euro [$842 million] to 1.61 billion euro [$2.2 billion],” Ukraine’s UNIAN agency quoted premier Arseniy Yatsenyuk as saying.

“Over two billion US dollars will be transferred to accounts of the Ukrainian government to stabilize economic situation in Ukraine. The deadline for the transfer is late April or early May,” the premier continued.

Yatsenyuk traveled to Brussels on Friday to sign the political provisions of its association agreement with the EU.

http://en.ria.ru/world/20140321/188645605/EU-Ads-14Bln-to-Ukrainian-Aid-After-Political-Deal-Signed.html

Meanwhile - 3 days ago :

MOSCOW, March 18 (RIA Novosti) – Crimea has already received the first installment of financial aid from Russia, the republic’s first deputy prime minister said on Tuesday.

Crimean leaders signed a reunification treaty with Russia earlier in the day, incorporating the republic into the territory of Russia.

“The first installments have already arrived. We need this support, because Kiev stopped financing our military and law enforcement. We expect to receive the first tax revenues in late May or June… then we won’t need so much support,” Rustam Temirgaliyev said in an interview with RIA Novosti.

He said that Crimea is expected to switch to the Russian national currency in early April.

“Unfortunately I have to say that there will be no transition period when the [Russian] ruble and the [Ukrainian] hryvna will be simultaneously effective. This is hardly possible because the Ukrainian National Bank stopped supplying us with hryvnas,” the premier said.

http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140318/188549508/Crimea-Gets-First-Installment-of-Russian-Financial-Aid.html

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