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Grassy Knoll

(10,118 posts)
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:27 PM Mar 2014

KKK Leader Refutes Hate Group Label: 'We're A Christian Organization'

Source: huffingtonpost.com

The leader of the Traditionalist American Knights of the Ku Klux Klan is tired of “a few rogue Klansmen” ruining the group’s reputation, and argues that the group is a non-violent Christian organization.

“We don’t hate people because of their race, I mean, we’re a Christian organization,” Frank Ancona, the group's Imperial Wizard, told Virginia's NBC 12 on Thursday. "Because of the acts of a few rogue Klansmen, all Klansmen are supposed to be murderers, and wanting to lynch black people, and we're supposed to be terrorists. That's a complete falsehood.”

Ancona’s group has come under fire from residents of Chesterfield County, Va., about 20 miles south of Richmond, for distributing KKK recruitment fliers in people's yards since January.

Read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/21/virginia-kkk-fliers_n_5008647.html

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KKK Leader Refutes Hate Group Label: 'We're A Christian Organization' (Original Post) Grassy Knoll Mar 2014 OP
A "few rogue Klansmen"? Cooley Hurd Mar 2014 #1
This is too rich to even comment on.....LOL Trust Buster Mar 2014 #2
Well, isn't that obvious? KamaAina Mar 2014 #3
HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #41
A wonderful Christian organization. christx30 Mar 2014 #58
That' just a giant light torch of god's lovin' npk Mar 2014 #75
To steal a line from Airplane! iandhr Mar 2014 #4
He is serious. Chellee Mar 2014 #12
Arrrgh. Pet language hate of mine: 'refute' should not be used to mean 'deny' muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #5
Right there with you! FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #8
The Huffington Post used the word *disputes*, not refutes. NT pablo_marmol Mar 2014 #63
Good - they updated it muriel_volestrangler Mar 2014 #65
So were the crusades lostincalifornia Mar 2014 #6
Yeah yeah yeah ... and Mafia is a Catholic charity. n/t cosmicone Mar 2014 #7
Lol! That's a good one. nt EmilyAnne Mar 2014 #44
Actually they are a satanic organization.. Peacetrain Mar 2014 #9
Yes. And have killed a lot of Christians, including children: freshwest Mar 2014 #21
Exactly! Peacetrain Mar 2014 #43
Oh I get it ... SummerSnow Mar 2014 #10
Get your tickets early for the KKK Easter Day bake sale! TexasTowelie Mar 2014 #11
Jesus would weep nt LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #13
I am trying to imagine a gaggle of Klan dixiegrrrrl Mar 2014 #14
See if you can figure it out jmowreader Mar 2014 #27
The Spanish Inquisition was a Christian organization, too, Mr. Acona Jack Rabbit Mar 2014 #15
Ain't buying it. I've met Klansmen in real life. No rogue ones, either. SPLC description: freshwest Mar 2014 #16
"Klavern: A local unit or club; also called "den." yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #22
They are a bunch of mothers... jmowreader Mar 2014 #29
Heh.... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #30
Christ, it's like trying to decipher Huttese. Rozlee Mar 2014 #45
It does give an insight into Teabagger spelling, though... n/t freshwest Mar 2014 #48
Keep telling yourself that, no doubt you believe it Frank LeftOfWest Mar 2014 #17
Wanna stay white? Fine, stay outta the sun. Wanna rule over others because of it? Nope, you don't freshwest Mar 2014 #24
OK then.....Show us the Black Christian Clansmen thelordofhell Mar 2014 #18
I can't see shit out of this thing AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #19
Mitchell and Webb had a good one also Revanchist Mar 2014 #73
I love those guys. AtheistCrusader Mar 2014 #74
"we’re a Christian organization!" yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #20
Seems like a lot of christain organizations are hate groups. olddad56 Mar 2014 #23
Westburo Baptist Church comes to mind... yuiyoshida Mar 2014 #25
A group based on the central premise that infinite torture is what EVERYONE deserves FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #70
LMAO. Solly Mack Mar 2014 #26
Whenever the subject of the KKK comes up, I'm reminded of the cartoon by Callahan.. red dog 1 Mar 2014 #28
. baldguy Mar 2014 #35
Thanks red dog 1 Mar 2014 #59
What a genius Callahan was. red dog 1 Mar 2014 #60
KKKGOPNRAteahadists say something. nt onehandle Mar 2014 #31
Here's an article about the KKK being listed...... trusty elf Mar 2014 #32
The Spanish Inquisition was a christian organization Gothmog Mar 2014 #33
WWJL? baldguy Mar 2014 #34
Yep, if they aren't lynching people they think they are "civil rights activists." Hoyt Mar 2014 #36
This is easy: Some Christian groups are hate groups. stillwaiting Mar 2014 #37
"A Few Rogue Klansman" sounds like a band name Ethan Coen would think of n/t dogknob Mar 2014 #38
should I believe him or my lying eyes? rurallib Mar 2014 #39
Away from Me. I never knew you. blkmusclmachine Mar 2014 #40
Surely god would have that on a continuous tape loop by now FiveGoodMen Mar 2014 #71
Yep, and I'm Jesus Christ... blackspade Mar 2014 #42
The KLan has been saying this for years. It's bullshizz, and it's not news struggle4progress Mar 2014 #46
Sorry asshole Ancona Caretha Mar 2014 #47
Then change the G-d damned name! rickyhall Mar 2014 #49
This is news? Reter Mar 2014 #50
Christians = white people only need apply steve2470 Mar 2014 #51
The Nazis said a similar thing when they beautified Theresienstadt Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2014 #52
Hey, just like the Family Research Council ck4829 Mar 2014 #53
And a lot grandpamike1 Mar 2014 #54
All these right-wing 'evangelicals' who hate everything and everybody claim to be Christians, too. QuestForSense Mar 2014 #55
I don't see how "we're a christian organization" refutes "hate group". Warren Stupidity Mar 2014 #56
They are half-right relayerbob Mar 2014 #57
Guess they're not up on to speed the whole "Jesus was Jewish" thing. Ken Burch Mar 2014 #61
Stories like this are why I look forward to "Kitty DU Sundays". pablo_marmol Mar 2014 #62
Sure you're Christian the same way that the Taliban is Islamic.... Ecumenist Mar 2014 #64
Love it when "Christian" is used NastyRiffraff Mar 2014 #66
Oh, really, Ancona? Brigid Mar 2014 #67
LOL, he's tired of the group's reputation? "We want to stay white,” Jefferson23 Mar 2014 #68
Yes, just like a "few bad apples" spoiled the Tea Party. Arkana Mar 2014 #69
Robert Byrd was unavailable for comment. Pterodactyl Mar 2014 #72
Just another grass roots organization ripe for Blue Idaho Mar 2014 #76
Memo to HuffPo: "Dispute" and "Refute" are not synonyms. n/t Orsino Mar 2014 #77
 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
41. HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:57 PM
Mar 2014
My opinion only!

christx30

(6,241 posts)
58. A wonderful Christian organization.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:41 AM
Mar 2014

That right there is just a lowercase T. It means "time to go to church, brother in Christ!" It's not a symbol of hate. It's a symbol of fellowship, and an invitation.


muriel_volestrangler

(101,308 posts)
5. Arrrgh. Pet language hate of mine: 'refute' should not be used to mean 'deny'
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:33 PM
Mar 2014

It used to just mean "prove false". The KKK arsehole hasn't shown anything to be wrong. He'd like to think he has; but he's just spouted more BS. The Huff Post could have said "deny", but instead they went with the more recent usage of 'refute', which destroys understanding, rather than informing us, because when you see it used, you have to read a lot more to find out which meaning is correct.

Peacetrain

(22,875 posts)
9. Actually they are a satanic organization..
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:35 PM
Mar 2014

The burning cross being the big give away on that one.. just saying

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
21. Yes. And have killed a lot of Christians, including children:
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:23 PM
Mar 2014
16th Street Baptist Church bombing



The 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama was bombed on Sunday, September 15, 1963 as an act of white supremacist terrorism. The explosion at the African-American church, which killed four girls, marked a turning point in the United States 1960s Civil Rights Movement and contributed to support for passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Although city leaders had reached a settlement in May with demonstrators and started to integrate public places, not everyone agreed with ending racial segregation. Bombings and other acts of violence followed the settlement, and the church had become an obvious target. The three-story 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Alabama had been a rallying point for civil rights activities through the spring of 1963, and was where the students who were arrested during the 1963 Birmingham campaign's Children's Crusade were trained. The church was used as a meeting-place for civil rights leaders such as Martin Luther King, Jr., Ralph David Abernathy and Fred Shuttlesworth. Tensions were escalated when the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) and the Congress on Racial Equality (CORE) became involved in a campaign to register African Americans to vote in Birmingham.

Still, the campaign was successful. The demonstrations led to an agreement in May between the city's business leaders and the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC) to integrate public facilities in the city.

In the early morning of Sunday, September 15, 1963, Bobby Frank Cherry, Thomas Blanton,[1] Herman Frank Cash, and Robert Chambliss, members of United Klans of America, a Ku Klux Klan group, planted a box of dynamite with a time delay under the steps of the church, near the basement.[2] At about 10:22 a.m., twenty-six children were walking into the basement assembly room to prepare for the sermon entitled “The Love That Forgives,” when the bomb exploded.[3][4] Four girls, Addie Mae Collins (age 14), Denise McNair (age 11), Carole Robertson (age 14), and Cynthia Wesley (age 14), were killed in the attack,[5] and 22 additional people were injured, one of whom was Addie Mae Collins' younger sister, Sarah.[6] The explosion blew a hole in the church's rear wall, destroyed the back steps and all but one stained-glass window, which showed Christ leading a group of little children.[7]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/16th_Street_Baptist_Church_bombing

No words adequate for those loving girls slaughtered for the color of their skin.

Peacetrain

(22,875 posts)
43. Exactly!
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:23 PM
Mar 2014

It is a demonic organization like a wolf in sheeps clothing trying to hide behind a burning cross. People who join such a group of evil , should be shown for what they are and what they do.. They embrace evil. Those little girls killed in a church.. It is still hard for me to believe sometimes the depth of depravity that people will sink to.

TexasTowelie

(112,135 posts)
11. Get your tickets early for the KKK Easter Day bake sale!
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:37 PM
Mar 2014

Does anybody actually believe that they are organizing for philanthropic purposes?

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
14. I am trying to imagine a gaggle of Klan
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:44 PM
Mar 2014

going from door to door in my neighborhood, like the other peddlers of religion do.

(Or is that a Kaggle of Klan?)

Jack Rabbit

(45,984 posts)
15. The Spanish Inquisition was a Christian organization, too, Mr. Acona
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 06:50 PM
Mar 2014

Fr. Torquemada also had ways of dealing with minority groups.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
16. Ain't buying it. I've met Klansmen in real life. No rogue ones, either. SPLC description:
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:00 PM
Mar 2014
The Ku Klux Klan, with its long history of violence, is the most infamous - and oldest - of American hate groups. Although black Americans have typically been the Klan's primary target, it also has attacked Jews, immigrants, gays and lesbians and, until recently, Catholics. Over the years since it was formed in December 1865, the Klan has typically seen itself as a Christian organization, although in modern times Klan groups are motivated by a variety of theological and political ideologies.

Started during Reconstruction at the end of the Civil War, the Klan quickly mobilized as a vigilante group to intimidate Southern blacks - and any whites who would help them - and to prevent them from enjoying basic civil rights. Outlandish titles (like imperial wizard and exalted cyclops), hooded costumes, violent "night rides," and the notion that the group comprised an "invisible empire" conferred a mystique that only added to the Klan's popularity. Lynchings, tar-and-featherings, rapes and other violent attacks on those challenging white supremacy became a hallmark of the Klan.

After a short but violent period, the "first era" Klan disbanded after Jim Crow laws secured the domination of Southern whites. But the Klan enjoyed a huge revival in the 1920s when it opposed (mainly Catholic and Jewish) immigration. By 1925, when its followers staged a huge Washington, D.C., march, the Klan had as many as 4 million members and, in some states, considerable political power. But a series of sex scandals, internal battles over power and newspaper exposés quickly reduced its influence.

The Klan arose a third time during the 1960s to oppose the civil rights movement and to preserve segregation in the face of unfavorable court rulings. The Klan's bombings, murders and other attacks took a great many lives, including, among others, four young girls killed while preparing for Sunday services at the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, Ala.

Since the 1970s the Klan has been greatly weakened by internal conflicts, court cases, a seemingly endless series of splits and government infiltration. While some factions have preserved an openly racist and militant approach, others have tried to enter the mainstream, cloaking their racism as mere "civil rights for whites." Today, the Center estimates that there are between 5,000 and 8,000 Klan members, split among dozens of different - and often warring - organizations that use the Klan name.


Klan glossary

AKIA: A password meaning "A Klansman I Am", often seen on decals and bumper stickers.

Alien: A person who does not belong to the Klan.

AYAK?: A password meaning "Are You a Klansman?"

CA BARK: A password meaning "Constantly Applied By All Real Klansmen."

CLASP: A password meaning "Clannish Loyalty A Sacred Principle."

Genii: The collective name for the national officers. Also known as the Kloncilium, or the advisory board to the Imperial Wizard.

Hydras: The Real officers, with the exception of the Grand Dragon.

Imperial Giant: Former Imperial Wizard.

Imperial Wizard: The overall, or national, head of a Klan, which it sometimes compares to the president of the United States.

Inner Circle: Small group of four or five members who plan and carry out "action." Its members and activities are not disclosed to the general membership.

Invisible Empire: A Ku Klux Klan's overall geographical jurisdiction, which it compares to the United States although none exist in every state.

Kalendar: Klan calendar, which dates events from both the origin and its 1915 rebirth Anno Klan, and means "in the year of the Klan," and is usually written "AK."

Kardinal Kullors: White, crimson, gold and black. Secondary Kullors are grey, green and blue. The Imperial Wizard's Kullor is Skipper Blue.

K.B.I.: Klan Bureau of Investigation.

KIGY!:
A password meaning "Klansman, I greet you!"

Klankfraft:
The practices and beliefs of the Klan.

Klanton:
The jurisdiction of a Klavern.

Klavern: A local unit or club; also called "den."

Kleagle: An organizer whose main function is to recruit new members. In some Klans, he gets a percentage of the initiation fees.

Klectokon:
Initiation fee.

Klepeer: Delegate elected to Imperial Klonvokation.

Klonkave:
Secret Klavern meeting.

Klonverse: Province convention.

Kloran: Official book of Klan rituals.

Klorero:
Realm convention.

SAN BOG: A password meaning "Strangers Are Near, Be On Guard."

Terrors: The Exalted Cyclops' officers.

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/ku-klux-klan

Most of these Klowns are now wearing business suits or working clothes in the day. It's at night time they show what they are all about. Here are some videos posted by Segami on them in 2012:

ABC Nightline: Inside the New Ku Klux Klan


http://www.democraticunderground.com/101772450

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
45. Christ, it's like trying to decipher Huttese.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:32 PM
Mar 2014

Except that even the fictional Hutts are more refined and decent.

 

LeftOfWest

(482 posts)
17. Keep telling yourself that, no doubt you believe it Frank
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:03 PM
Mar 2014

the rest of us with brains know better.


"We want to stay white."

"It's not a hateful thing to want to MAINTAIN white supremacy."

Uh yeah it is.


You cannot make this stuff up...

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
24. Wanna stay white? Fine, stay outta the sun. Wanna rule over others because of it? Nope, you don't
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:41 PM
Mar 2014
get to ignore "All men are created equal by their Creator." So, what kind of Christian joins the KKK? Umm...



yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
25. Westburo Baptist Church comes to mind...
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:45 PM
Mar 2014

"and Freddy's dead...that's what I said..." ~Curtis Mayfield.

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
70. A group based on the central premise that infinite torture is what EVERYONE deserves
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 10:17 AM
Mar 2014

could hardly be anything BUT a hate group.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
28. Whenever the subject of the KKK comes up, I'm reminded of the cartoon by Callahan..
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 07:59 PM
Mar 2014

..of 2 Klansmen wearing their white sheets at a Klan gathering,
one turns to the other and says:
"Don't you love it when they're still warm from the dryer?"

I tried to post it here, but couldn't find it, even at Callahan's site.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
60. What a genius Callahan was.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 01:40 AM
Mar 2014

He had another one that showed a bunch of deer with protest signs, and the caption reads:

"We're here! We're queer!" and We're deer!

Gothmog

(145,131 posts)
33. The Spanish Inquisition was a christian organization
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:17 PM
Mar 2014

Just ask all of the Jews who died at the hands of this christian group.

stillwaiting

(3,795 posts)
37. This is easy: Some Christian groups are hate groups.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 08:28 PM
Mar 2014

So are some Muslim groups, and so are some jewish groups, etc.

Being a member of a religious group does not give someone a free pass to do, say, or think whatever they please AND be exempt from criticism.

 

Caretha

(2,737 posts)
47. Sorry asshole Ancona
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:41 PM
Mar 2014

your reputation was ruined in the 1940's

Die already KKK.

The future of the world has no place for you.

rickyhall

(4,889 posts)
49. Then change the G-d damned name!
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 09:48 PM
Mar 2014

And am not taking His name in vain. The Ku Klux Klan is damned by G-d. So if you're a "non-violent Christian organization" use another name.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
51. Christians = white people only need apply
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:10 PM
Mar 2014

These idiots all need to move to some desert island near Greenland.

QuestForSense

(653 posts)
55. All these right-wing 'evangelicals' who hate everything and everybody claim to be Christians, too.
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:35 PM
Mar 2014

This guy's claim is just as self-serving, and ridiculous.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
56. I don't see how "we're a christian organization" refutes "hate group".
Fri Mar 21, 2014, 10:42 PM
Mar 2014

In fact it more or less confirms it.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
57. They are half-right
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 12:28 AM
Mar 2014

They forgot the "anti" part of the statement - they're "an antichrist-ian organization"

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
61. Guess they're not up on to speed the whole "Jesus was Jewish" thing.
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 01:50 AM
Mar 2014

And you wouldn't want to be the one who told 'em that His Mom was Catholic.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
66. Love it when "Christian" is used
Sat Mar 22, 2014, 11:39 AM
Mar 2014

as a synonym for "good." As many have pointed out in this thread, there are and always have been plenty of "Christian" organizations that are far from good.

Nice try in rewriting history, Frank Ancona.

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
67. Oh, really, Ancona?
Sun Mar 23, 2014, 05:12 PM
Mar 2014

Just by chance, I happen to be watching "KKK: A Secret History" on H2 right now. Some KKK piece of filth just blew up the 16th Street Baptist Church in Birmingham, AL. Killed four little girls. You call that nonviolent? Samuel Holloway Bowers was nonviolent? Bull Connor was nonviolent?

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
68. LOL, he's tired of the group's reputation? "We want to stay white,”
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:27 AM
Mar 2014

The stupid burns.

You earned your label.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
69. Yes, just like a "few bad apples" spoiled the Tea Party.
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 09:57 AM
Mar 2014

These idiots have convinced themselves their own farts smell like fresh cinnamon rolls.

Blue Idaho

(5,049 posts)
76. Just another grass roots organization ripe for
Mon Mar 24, 2014, 05:21 PM
Mar 2014

support from the Koch brothers...

To paraphrase George W Bush - "Some people call them crazy violent racists, we call them our base."

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