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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:19 AM Mar 2014

$1 trillion student loan debt widens US wealth gap

Source: ASSOCIATED PRESS

Every month that Gregory Zbylut pays $1,300 toward his law school loans is another month of not qualifying for a decent mortgage.

Every payment toward their student loans is $900 Dr. Nida Degesys and her husband aren’t putting in their retirement savings account.

They believe they’ll eventually climb from debt and begin using their earnings to build assets rather than fill holes. But, like the roughly 37 million others in the U.S. saddled with $1 trillion in student debt, they may never catch up with wealthy peers who began life after college free from the burden.

The disparity, experts say, is contributing to the widening of the gap between rich and everyone else in the country.

Read more: http://www.salon.com/2014/03/27/1_trillion_student_loan_debt_widens_us_wealth_gap/

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$1 trillion student loan debt widens US wealth gap (Original Post) DonViejo Mar 2014 OP
I'm so glad PasadenaTrudy Mar 2014 #1
Good for you. Lars28 Mar 2014 #5
No offense, but that sounds pretty self-centered. Psephos Mar 2014 #11
I know PasadenaTrudy Mar 2014 #13
:) Psephos Mar 2014 #15
Education Should be Free liberalmike27 Mar 2014 #2
I agree - but until young people start voting adigal Mar 2014 #24
It would be nice to be able to deduct the interest from student loans taught_me_patience Mar 2014 #3
You can... cyberswede Mar 2014 #4
Above poster is correct. CFLDem Mar 2014 #19
I'm nearly 60 and have never owned a home... mike_c Mar 2014 #6
When student debt became "public", I think your chance of having that happen became nil Yo_Mama Mar 2014 #7
fortunately handmade34 Mar 2014 #26
Higher education was once a pathway to a good-paying job. KansDem Mar 2014 #8
Banks get a .25% or free Government loan and in turn charge 5-9% on the same money. WTF? nt adirondacker Mar 2014 #9
WTF Exactly. CFLDem Mar 2014 #18
when you take out loans you have to pay them back. is this a new concept? nt msongs Mar 2014 #10
The problem is that they hand out huge loans without qualification to kids. Psephos Mar 2014 #12
Yup CFLDem Mar 2014 #20
Not if you're Abraham Lincoln or Henry Ford, you don't. closeupready Mar 2014 #23
different... handmade34 Mar 2014 #27
Only 8 more years of 475 bucks a month... ileus Mar 2014 #14
We have about 12 years to go on one daughter's private student loan LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #16
There can be even worse outcomes nitpicker Mar 2014 #28
OMG that's awful LiberalEsto Mar 2014 #29
Hmmmm. If we gave 16 trillion to the banks, we can write off this too. grahamhgreen Mar 2014 #17
You would think. CFLDem Mar 2014 #21
And to boot Morganfleeman Mar 2014 #22
I was thinking about this issue the other day NobodyHere Mar 2014 #25
All those student debtors...... DeSwiss Mar 2014 #30

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
1. I'm so glad
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:33 AM
Mar 2014

that I'm not young, didn't have kids, and didn't get sucked into the mainstream mentality of making the accumulation of wealth my goal.

Signed,
art history BA degree holder

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
11. No offense, but that sounds pretty self-centered.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 02:53 PM
Mar 2014

We have a serious issue affecting the future lives of millions of young people, due to immorally high college costs. The solution lies in thinking beyond our private circumstances.

Food for thought, by the way. If everyone remained childless, Social Security, Medicaid, and for that matter, the US Government would go bankrupt.

I am childless myself, but the demographics are hard cold facts.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
3. It would be nice to be able to deduct the interest from student loans
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 11:38 AM
Mar 2014

The article is negating the fact that student loans are used to build "assets". The "asset" is your education, which is typically worth $1MM and up over a lifetime of earnings.

mike_c

(36,261 posts)
6. I'm nearly 60 and have never owned a home...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:02 PM
Mar 2014

...because I mortgaged my future 20+ years ago to get an education. My only hope, at this point, is that Congress changes the law and gives me some way out of debt before I retire. Nearly 20 years of monthly payments and the principle on my debt has only declined by a few percent. I won't live long enough to repay it, let alone work long enough. My greatest hope was that Elizabeth Warren would make student loan debt a crusade when she was elected to the senate, and change the exploitative laws. Now I'm less sure that will ever happen.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
7. When student debt became "public", I think your chance of having that happen became nil
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:17 PM
Mar 2014

In 2010 the government took over the student loan business, and now most of that trillion is owed to the taxpayers. Who is going to vote for forgiveness, when that means we all have to shoulder the debt.

I've been brooding about this since it happened!

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
26. fortunately
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 05:38 PM
Mar 2014

my student loan debt dies with me and my kids won't be responsible ...(they are still paying on their own)

KansDem

(28,498 posts)
8. Higher education was once a pathway to a good-paying job.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 12:38 PM
Mar 2014

Not so much anymore, as expressed in this statement from the article: “If you graduate with a B.A. or doctorate and you get the same job at the same place, you make the same amount of money,” said William Elliott III, director of the Assets and Education Initiative at the University of Kansas. “But that money will actually mean less to you in the sense of accumulating assets in the long term.”

However, Dr. Nida Degesys can look forward to an average salary of $187,200 for "physicians and surgeons."
Occupational Outlook Handbook

And Gregory Zbylut, Esq., can expect to make $113,530 for "lawyers."
Occupational Outlook Handbook

So they're in a better position than most with promising, successful careers that will (eventually) pay off their student loans.

However, this comment caught my eye: "...they may never catch up with wealthy peers who began life after college free from the burden." Yeah! How many of you debt-laden "professionals" have graduated with school chums who went on to very successful careers? And do you still keep in contact with them? When you get together every so often are you able to keep up with stories of Alaskan cruises or trips to Europe or South America? Are you able to share in the joys of owning a new BMW or Lexus? And when you do get together, do you go to their four-bedroom, three-bath house with den, deck and three-car garage, or do they come to your two-bedroom, one-bath residence with back-door and carport? (or are you still in an apartment?)

Not much leeway if you "invested" a ton of borrowed money in a college degree only to find yourself working crap-ass jobs that has nothing to do with your field of study and barely covers expenses.



On a related note: A fun movie to watch is Friends with Money If you have enough in the bank this weekend, grab a pizza and a six-pack and enjoy!

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
18. WTF Exactly.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:39 PM
Mar 2014

It's completely ridiculous. Student loans should be treated like any other personal loan.

Although ideally they could be made obsolete by free/generous gov't subsidy. Control program costs by raising college entrance standards and balance opportunity fairness by siphoning students who fall short of college eligibility into vocational programs instead.

Psephos

(8,032 posts)
12. The problem is that they hand out huge loans without qualification to kids.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 03:01 PM
Mar 2014

A lot of 20-year-olds have not yet grasped the danger of entering huge loans without knowing whether they can repay them. The colleges all push the loans to feed their juggernaut budgets, while they tell the kids that their 100K, non-dischargeable loan is an
"sound investment."

A 20-year-old who skips college and puts 100K in actual investments instead will be a multimillionaire before 50. Think about it. It's insane and immoral what we're doing to college kids now.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
20. Yup
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:43 PM
Mar 2014

We're putting way too much financial burden on kids who've never made a huge financial decision on their lives.

The whole scam is disgusting.

ileus

(15,396 posts)
14. Only 8 more years of 475 bucks a month...
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 05:59 PM
Mar 2014

our second time paying off my DW's student loans. I finished 4 years without owing a dime...in 93.

 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
16. We have about 12 years to go on one daughter's private student loan
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 06:36 PM
Mar 2014

less than 4 years on the other daughter's private loan and less than 3 years on her smaller federal loan.

I feel so frustrated because neither daughter finished college -- in fact they both dropped out of several colleges. Neither one has the qualifications to earn her own living. Both developed mental health problems in their early 20s, although not severe ones, fortunately.

We've been paying the loans off, one after another, for about 9 years. If we had known that we would get stuck with all the payments by co-signing the loans, we would have insisted they attend community college and earn the money to pay for it themselves.

I'm 62 and my husband is 57. This would have been our savings for retirement.



nitpicker

(7,153 posts)
28. There can be even worse outcomes
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 05:45 PM
Mar 2014

I know someone whose adult child developed mental issues and eventually suicided.

"Fortunately" the outstanding student loan debt was federal and eventually forgiven.

BUT that was an ordeal and mess.

 

CFLDem

(2,083 posts)
21. You would think.
Thu Mar 27, 2014, 09:45 PM
Mar 2014

But students and parents are too busy paying their lobbying money to the same institutions that lobby for their debt slavery.

It's like paying for your own bullet.

Morganfleeman

(117 posts)
22. And to boot
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 02:22 PM
Mar 2014

There's very little reason for schools to cut costs. There is no incentive at all in fact because the tuition is subsidized by the taxpayer with no strings. There is no good reason why educational costs should have outstripped all other forms of inflation by the margin it has over the past 20 years. Certainly, it's demand driven, but much of that demand is artificial due to no questions asked grants and loans without placing any honus on the schools to contain costs. I graduated from law school 11 years ago when tuition was $23k a year. Now it's $50k for the same school. Has the quality of education really doubled in that time? Probably not.

And how about stopping the absurd taxpayer subsidy of diploma mills like the University of Phoenix and other for profit institutions which have abysmal job placement rates and high default rates?

 

NobodyHere

(2,810 posts)
25. I was thinking about this issue the other day
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 05:03 PM
Mar 2014

I'm in college and yesterday we got the results of a test back. I personally got a 95% so I was happy. However then the teacher announced that the class average was considerably less than 70%. That means several people probably failed the test. It makes me wonder how those people are paying for the class. I mean if they fail the class(and it isn't too demanding a class) they still have to pony up money for tuition. If they're being financed by loans they still have to pay them back.

I'm glad I have the GI Bill, I don't have to pay for a class unless I fail it!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
30. All those student debtors......
Fri Mar 28, 2014, 05:47 PM
Mar 2014

...should join together and form a bank. That way they won't have to pay any of it back.

- They can let the ''taxpayers'' (great-grandchildren) do it like we always do......

K&R

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