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Judi Lynn

(160,515 posts)
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 05:08 AM Apr 2014

Calif. bill would end SeaWorld killer whale shows

Source: Associated Press

Calif. bill would end SeaWorld killer whale shows
By FENIT NIRAPPIL, Associated Press | April 7, 2014 | Updated: April 8, 2014 12:01am

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) — A proposed California bill would force SeaWorld San Diego to stop using killer whales in its iconic shows and to release them from their tanks, the latest blowback that the exotic animal attraction has faced after a documentary criticized the marine park's animal welfare practices.

The state Assembly will hold its first committee hearing Tuesday on AB2140 by Richard Bloom, D-Santa Monica, that is pitting animal welfare activists against a staple of San Diego's tourism industry. SeaWorld San Diego houses 10 killer whales, which would be moved into a larger sea pen and could not be bred if the Legislature approved Bloom's bill and the governor signed it. The bill would also ban the import and export of the animals, and activists are moving to bring similar bills to Florida and Texas where SeaWorld has parks.

"They are too large, too intelligent, too socially complex and too far-ranging to be adequately cared for in captivity," said Naomi Rose, a marine mammal scientist with the Animal Welfare Institute, the bill's sponsor.

SeaWorld has been fighting back against that perception, which executives said is inspired by the 2013 documentary "Blackfish," which its officials say distorts the facts to favor an anti-captivity agenda.


Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/us/article/Calif-bill-would-end-SeaWorld-killer-whale-shows-5384361.php

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Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
4. Too many people are buying into that propaganda flick.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 12:15 PM
Apr 2014

It's ridiculous to demonize SeaWorld because they're the easy target in a world of animal traffickers and actually abusive organizations keeping orcas and other wild animals for profit. They're big and mediagenic, so despite the fact that they're among the most ethical of these orgs, and they do some (hardly their primary mission, but they DO do it) actual conservation, conservation research, and even rehabilitation, it's the new fad to try to bring them down while giving the worst offenders a break from any media attention.

There is a fine line between keeping animals in captivity for purposes of education and behavioral and biological studies, and pure for-profit entertainment. Some animal rights activists would decry even places like the Seattle aquarium, which is about as heavily canted toward pure education and rehabilitation as you can get in that type of organization, just because they have animals in captivity. But like it or not, aquariums, zoos, etc. do provide entertainment as well as services that benefit the public, animals, and their ability to share the planet. SeaWorld pushes that line much further, with organized shows that in some cases (such as Shamu) have very little to do with any educational message. However, even in this kind of situation there is a huge benefit to people, especially kids, being captivated by an animal and having to think at some level about whether or not to automatically fear it, and whether it should be preserved for the sake of the environment and simply because it's a natural marvel. Other exhibits at their parks do more (not enough, IMO) to educate.

The people who want to demonize SeaWorld don't think about a lot of things. They don't ask what good SeaWorld does for the animals. For example, right now, they're caring for a baby walrus whose habitat was destroyed in Hurricane Sandy, found terrified in polluted and dangerous water. Years ago, when the MN Zoo had its irresponsible beluga exhibit, SeaWorld tried to save the poor, sick things from their caretakers.

But most of all, the people who want to simply end SeaWorld's shows don't want to think about the money. Just where is the money going to come from to care for the animals already there? Who's going to pay to get them transferred to other facilities? Guess what - there is NO WAY to return them successfully to the wild that anybody knows of. The Keiko attempt was not at all a success, despite the propagandists' rosy claims. That was ONE animal, and we're talking about dozens (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_captive_orcas for a list of the current captive orcas at various facilities). Who's going to have the money to build the facilities and pay for the rehabilitation over many years, and the research that will by nature go along with that? Nobody. The only chance there is for those animals is to keep them in the most responsible hands, and to work on increasing the educational content of the shows as they are slowly phased out, and making some very expensive, scientifically-sound attempts to learn whether it's truly possibly to reintegrate orcas and other large marine mammals.

So, if you want to do some actual GOOD for orcas versus the pocketbooks of the Blackfish propagandists and the egos of the no-brains-no-biology animal rights faction, don't support efforts like this. Instead, end the abuses of wild capture, ban additional capture, help bring more large marine animals out of facilities where they are terribly neglected and even mistreated into the hands of the fewer aquariums and other organizations that are capable of caring for them (and this includes SeaWorld, like it or not), demand that those who still have them do good educational programs and studies versus using them for pure entertainment, and phase out their use in entertainment over time.

This is not an easy issue that can be resolved with feel-good crap like this bill. Who will suffer for it? The animals they think they're protecting. If the show was banned today, what do they really think will happen to orcas in California? They won't be released, because there's nowhere to simply release them to. These animals don't know how to hunt, protect themselves in the wild, or socialize with wild pods. It's like the idiots who throw domestic cats or dogs into the street thinking that they'll do great on their own. Who's going to pay for years of rehabilitation that may never be successful? Or are those orcas just going to be traumatized further by being shipped off to another park, where they'll be even more crowded in the existing facilities, and still be part of a show? It's time to stop putting our touchy-feely attitudes ahead of the animals, and instead learn some biology and figure out a scientifically and economically viable way to do right by these creatures and their wild brethren.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
5. I used to call opinions that didn't validate mine 'propaganda' too...
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:25 PM
Apr 2014

I used to call opinions that didn't validate mine 'propaganda' too...

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
9. Protest all you want, that's what it is.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 02:55 PM
Apr 2014

It's little more than the equivalent of a well-financed rant from Alex Jones.

It is poorly researched and wrong in many respects on science and behavior. It's exploitative of the deaths of the trainers. Those interviewed about Tilikum were not qualified to speak about the training program and what happened. Several trainers that participated were shocked by how their statements were misused, and how they were misled about the movie - one commented, "Physical nausea. If you’ve ever been in a place in your life where you know something intimately, and to watch a movie about that thing, one that appears very well done, very credible, yet which is a complete perversion of your reality… you’ll know what I felt like." It pathetically anthropomorphizes the animals.

Blackfish is moneygrubbing trash. Its producers had an agenda, first and foremost to make a big splash and rake in a ton of cash. The creation museum is bullshit, not a way to express an "opinion" on a subject of ongoing scientific debate. The same can be said for Blackfish.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
6. Orcas are still being captured for captivity
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 01:26 PM
Apr 2014
http://www.outsideonline.com/outdoor-adventure/nature/Orcas-Captured-In-the-Wild-for-Aquariums-and-Water-Parks.html


Seaworld has an aggressive breeding program. So while they may not be getting wild caught Orcas anymore they can be equated to the slavers who wanted to ban transatlantic slave trade.

You are right about not reintroducing the whales. I can't see them surviving for very long in the wild. I would be willing to stick with the status quo with Seaworld if they stop breeding in captivity.

At some point a trainer is going to be brutally killed during a show. It is a miracle that it has not happened to this point. The CEO of Blackstone blamed the Seaworld trainer that died (nice way to throw a 15 year employee under the bus even after they are dead).

Legislation should read no more breeding of captive orcas in California and no import of export of orcas unless some sort of judicial review occurs (for example no export for breeding or import for shows but only rehabilitation for example). They currently bred orcas through artificial insemination usually of females that are younger than ones who would breed in the wild.
 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
8. That's the realistic and responsible version of the bill.
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 02:38 PM
Apr 2014

Unfortunately, it would be even less likely to pass than the one that's currently on the table. The one that's proposed will be fought by SeaWorld, zoos, aquariums, and other large, corporate (and I include nonprofits in that definition) entities. But a bill that thoughtfully ends the practice will also be fought by animal rights activists and organizations that want immediate gratification and media sensation, not real benefit for the captive animals.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
10. The best answer I saw to "that propaganda flick" was this trainer
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 03:10 PM
Apr 2014


...and he comes across as a douche and a half, so I would place myself in the anti-sideshow crowd.

Seriously, look at his other videos too. What a douche.
 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
11. When people express outrage over ELF cruelty and demand cessation of military causes strandings
Tue Apr 8, 2014, 08:25 PM
Apr 2014

then we will get somewhere. this is just fashionable showboating that accomplishes squat while setting clueless minds at ease.

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