FedEx semi didn't brake before California crash
Source: AP-Excite
By FENIT NIRAPPIL and JOAN LOWY
ORLAND, Calif. (AP) - Federal safety investigators say the driver of a Fedex tractor-trailer that struck a bus carrying high school students didn't appear to brake before a fiery collision that left 10 dead.
National Transportation Safety Board member Mark Rosekind said Saturday that the truck left no tire marks as it careened across a median and slammed into the bus taking the students to a college tour in Northern California.
Investigators also interviewed a witness who said the truck was already on fire before it crossed the median.
The truck and bus exploded into towering flames after Thursday's crash, making it difficult for investigators to determine whether a fire started in the truck. But Rosekind says investigators plan to look at a blood test and other physical evidence to make that determination.
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The demolished remains of a FedEx truck is towed into a CalTrans maintenance station in Willows, Calif., Friday, April 11, 2014. At least ten people were killed and dozens injured in the fiery crash on Thursday, April 10, between a FedEx truck and a bus carrying high school students on a visit to a Northern California college. (AP Photo/Jeff Chiu)
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)They were familiar with that kind of truck and a fire could make the brakes inoperable.
greyl
(22,990 posts)Unless that official has other information, they made dumb statement.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)It also ticked me off tonight, when I heard some yapping guy, saying how they would be drug testing the remains...sheesh.
It reminds of aircraft crashes...if both pilots are dead, it's usually "pilot error", even when there is plenty of blame to be spread around.
Niceguy1
(2,467 posts)As they mechanically apply and loss of air would set them automatically.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)I searched for the post but couldn't find it. Someone said they used to work for fed ex and were familiar with that type of rig. I think they mentioned one set of tires in the back axel for the tractor. If those tires were disabled there would be no braking power.
I'm posting from memory and have no idea the machinery involved.
shebornik
(127 posts)They have very powerful springs which lock up the wheels. Nobody on this forum knows what happened and speculating on what happened and who is at fault is nothing more than gossip. This is a terrible tragedy and my heart goes out to everyone personally involved. I think we should let the people with the evidence decide what the facts are.
jmowreader
(50,555 posts)The brakes on a FedEx truck, as with most of the trucks in use in the US today, are "S-cam" brakes. This is a picture of the inside of one:
This sits inside a cast-iron drum, to which the wheel is bolted. The black thing that looks like a fat letter S is connected to a brake chamber through a "slack adjuster." There are two kinds of brake chambers on a truck.
The first kind is on the steer axle. In it is an inflatable rubber bag. When the driver steps on the brake pedal, this bag inflates. It pushes on a rod, which is hooked to the slack adjuster, which rotates the S-cam, pressing the brake shoes against the drum and slowing the truck down. All trucks have two of these.
On all the other axles on your truck the chamber's different: there are two bags and a huge spring. The spring shoves the shoes up against the drum and stops your ass in a right hurry. (This spring is made from steel rod 1/2" in diameter. There's nothing subtle about it.) One of the bags is your "emergency brake." Its purpose is to compress the spring, lifting the shoes away from the drum so the truck will move. The other bag is there to compress the emergency brake bag when you step on the brake pedal, which allows the spring to press the shoes against the drum and, as you expected, slowing the truck down. On a five-axle truck there are eight of them; FedEx pulls doubles so there are ten of these on one of their rigs.
If the fire burned through the air lines, all the bags would deflate and the spring brakes would take charge.
Now here's your problem: DOT tubing is nylon - probably for this very reason; if your truck catches fire going down the freeway they WANT the brakes to come on all by themselves. The fire consumed the lines, but you'll never know when...but I don't think it was before the crash.
shebornik
(127 posts)jmowreader
(50,555 posts)sendero
(28,552 posts)... information, and being at least a shadetree mechanic, I didn't know about that. Sounds like an excellent safety system to me.
jmowreader
(50,555 posts)It's definitely been around long enough that all their tractors have it.
The springs are also your parking brakes...there are two valves on the dash. You pull them out and all the air dumps from the brake chambers.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)probably death by heart attack.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)eom
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-bus-crash-20140413,0,2461388.story#ixzz2yk3hn2D2
NickB79
(19,233 posts)Because:
gopiscrap
(23,756 posts)Capt.Rocky300
(1,005 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Very sobering.
Jesus Malverde
(10,274 posts)ripcord
(5,346 posts)Until the industry gets rid of the idea that paying someone by the mile is acceptable and if you are sitting you aren't making as much, of any, money things like this could happen. With all the ways they have to monitor the truck's travel and stop time there is no reason trucking shouldn't be a salaried position, it isn't like you can stop to take a piss anymore without your dispatcher calling you and asking why the truck isn't moving.
Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)And though I never used it, I agree completely with you.
Unless those wheels roll, truckers get nothing.
Salary would make it easier on them.
CanSocDem
(3,286 posts)...not to forget about the 'notorious' fatigue levels of bus drivers. Whether inflamed or not, a projectile coming across the median should initiate some sort of evasive action.
Fatigue in the transportation industry is endemic as are worker rights. "Salaries" would be a good start.
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SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)A lot of businesses get around paying overtime--and thus make their employees work overtime for free--by calling them "supervisors."
Chemisse
(30,809 posts)Which show the driver swerving to the right, indicate he did take evasive action.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)mimi85
(1,805 posts)when I was reading the paper this morning about some of the people who died (and there may be more - lots still in hospital), I totally lost it and couldn't stop crying. This one really got to me more than some other tragedies. I don't know why.
Damn, tears again. My granddaughter went on an 8th grade trip back east - the schedule itself was insane). Maybe it was something to do with that, although she has been back for a week, safe and sound. The story about the twins being on different busses really got to me.
Thanks for the hug! It brightened my day.
Cha
(297,154 posts)JayhawkSD
(3,163 posts)My nephew drives for FedEx and has for five years. FedEx is very strict about drivers complying with DOT-mandated hours. They are absolutely merciless on safety in all respects, including drivers going over the allowable hours and failing to follow truck inspection and maintenance procedures. Some companies pay lip service to safety and turn a blind eye to violation, but FedEx is not one of those.
The company he actually drives for is a subcontractor, and only the trailers are owned by FedEx, but that doesn't matter, it is still FedEx that does the followup on adherence to safety procedures. That's why he quit his previous job and went to work for (effectively) FedEx. He wants to stay alive. Don't know what happened in this event, but it was not due to corner cutting by FedEx.
I got a bit nervous when I read about the accident. The odds of him being the driver were long, of course, but... I called his mother and she didn't return my call. I called his sister and she had not heard from him. Shit. I called his brother and he had heard from him Friday, so I could relax.
What hasn't been mentioned is the possibility of a heart attack or stroke hitting the driver. You can't apply the brakes if you are already dead, and these things do happen suddenly, even to people who are apparently in good health. We don't know what happened, and may never know. Finger pointing does not bring anyone back from the dead.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)Cell phone car crashes will surpass drunk driving crashes soon