U.N. Security Council to Meet Sunday on Ukraine
Source: Associated Press
(UNITED NATIONS) The U.N. Security Council has called an emergency meeting at Russias request to discuss the growing crisis in Ukraine.
Russias U.N. mission sent a text message to reporters saying a closed meeting of the Security Council would begin at 8 p.m. Sunday (0000 GMT). The Russian mission said it had requested the meeting.
The President of the Security Council confirmed in an email that members have been invited to attend informal consultations on Ukraine Sunday evening.
The meeting comes as the new Ukrainian government declared it would deploy armed forces to quash an increasingly bold pro-Russian insurgency in eastern Ukraine
Read more: http://time.com/60915/u-n-security-council-to-meet-sunday-on-ukraine/
William769
(55,142 posts)How fucking stupid does one have to be not to see this? And if it's not stupidity It's a fellow propagandist comrade.
I swear they must have hired Baghdad Bob.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)the process of conducting an invasion. Buys them time and distraction, and then by the time the complete charade of talks and meetings are over, they have a fait accompli. I wish John Kerry would tell them to go fuck themselves and discontinue any engagement until they pull their troops away from the border and remove their special forces in balaclavas from Ukraine.
Igel
(35,270 posts)The only appropriate, legitimate sanctions against Russia and the only legitimate steps any country should take must first be approved by the UN Security Council.
This he said with a straight face. He says everything with a straight face.
He didn't bother to point out that Russia has a veto on the UNSC, so what he said was that the only legitimate sanctions or actions against Russia are those that Russia itself approves.
jakeXT
(10,575 posts)TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)very shortly. I had the feeling that the trigger on US/NATO arms and increased aid would be Russia pulling another Crimea in the mainland--it's coming to pass now.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)except a few on DU and John McCain.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Putin feels he can't allow Ukraine to ever get on steady footing with Western aid and trading relationships. He can't allow a truly free election. He has to keep trying to knock them on their ass over and over, create unrest and violence, and/or invade until they give up and turn back to Russia. Anything that increases western appeal among Russia's neighbors (and within Russia itself) is very threatening.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)in Chile or Bolivia or Guatemala or Philippines?
We won't get involved because it is too dangerous for both us and them. We lose nothing if Putin gobbles up a third of Ukraine but the downside is enormous.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)But we'll help Ukraine. We pledged to help them maintain their sovereignty in the 90's.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)on the part of the US. There is no treaty that requires the US to get involved in Ukraine whereas Russia has ample legal standing to intervene if Ukrainian military attacks ethnic Russians in the East.
Putin is too smart to invade a NATO country. He has purposely played it at sub-simmering levels in Georgia and Ukraine. By taking two small provinces, he has put such fear in the minds of pro-West Georgians that they will never think of joining any Western alliance for a long long time. The same is at work in Ukraine and we just have to watch it with stoic eyes and let it happen.
TwilightGardener
(46,416 posts)Putin's the one who's really afraid of war--that's why the sneakiness, deception, masks, crowing about not firing a shot, etc. He's seeing what he can get away with before the world smacks his pee pee down. And cut the bullshit with "attacks on ethnic Russians". Propagandists don't even believe that crap anymore, it's laughable at this point, and still not a reason to invade.
okaawhatever
(9,457 posts)Socialist/Communist media outlets.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)but in the past we have staged coups in those countries. We seem to be getting out of that business, thank heavens, and I sincerely hope that the trend continues.
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)amandabeech
(9,893 posts)cosmicone
(11,014 posts)Perhaps you're watching Faux news and listening to Rush Limpballs.
We did stage coups in all of those countries .. and I didn't even mention Greece, Iran, El Salvador, Brazil and Paraguay. We had a puppet government for years in Vietnam and we were instrumental in deposing the government in Cambodia with a resultant rise of Pol Pot. We were behind a coup in Pakistan that deposed democratically elected Zulfikar Ali Bhutto to be replaced by General Zia ul Haq because he was helping us against the Russians in Afghanistan.
All this is well documented and if you did a little web research you'll find it to be true.
Bosonic
(3,746 posts)Fact Sheet
Office of the Spokesperson
Washington, DC
April 13, 2014
Russian Fiction the Sequel: 10 More False Claims About Ukraine
1. Russia Claims: Russian agents are not active in Ukraine.
Fact: The Ukrainian Government has arrested more than a dozen suspected Russian intelligence agents in recent weeks, many of whom were armed at the time of arrest. In the first week of April 2014, the Government of Ukraine had information that Russian GRU officers were providing individuals in Kharkiv and Donetsk with advice and instructions on conducting protests, capturing and holding government buildings, seizing weapons from the government buildings armories, and redeploying for other violent actions. On April 12, armed pro-Russian militants seized government buildings in a coordinated and professional operation conducted in six cities in eastern Ukraine. Many were outfitted in bullet-proof vests, camouflage uniforms with insignia removed, and carrying Russian-designed weapons like AK-74s and Dragunovs. These armed units, some wearing black and orange St. Georges ribbons associated with Russian Victory Day celebrations, raised Russian and separatist flags over seized buildings and have called for referendums on secession and union with Russia. These operations are strikingly similar to those used against Ukrainian facilities during Russias illegal military intervention in Crimea in late February and its subsequent occupation.
... etc
http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2014/04/224759.htm
cosmicone
(11,014 posts)to take the diplomatic route and tell the West to call off their fascist/neonazi dogs before they get annihilated. sort of "don't blame us later for something you started"
Ukraine has two logical options 1. Let the Russian majority provinces secede and join Russia without hindrance or 2. bring Yanukovytch back and go back to the pre-coup status in order to abide by the three way EU-Russia-Ukraine deal.
I'd bet that the fear of Russia is so great that the so called Ukrainian army would run away rather than fight even with weapons aid. The West will have to put boots on the ground in order to defend the neonazi/fascist territory and there are currently no treaties that would make such an involvement legal.
joshcryer
(62,265 posts)The transitional government in Ukraine will have the buildings back by tomorrow. The eastern pro Russians don't have popular support. They have only been able to pull out a few thousand protesters at a given time, in stark contrast the protesters in Kiev who marched by the hundreds of thousands and had tens of thousands at any given point. The vast majority of whom were only armed with sticks and stones. Again the contrast is clear as these fascists in eastern Ukraine are armed to the teeth.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)This is getting way too ugly. Using tanks against people who just want to vote about their future is disgraceful.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)within its own borders? You actually expect China to go along with that?
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)When he threatened to use military to clear violent protesters out of government buildings in Kiev, all we heard from the UN, NATO, the EU and the USA was what a horrible thing that would be to do to his "own people," and how such actions against protesters would be followed by crippling sanctions against Yanukovich's government. Now you want to support the same use of military against protesters in east Ukraine?
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)Al Jazeera reports that the sentiment was for Ukraine and against Russia.
Whatever Putin does now he does without the blessing of the UN.
another_liberal
(8,821 posts)After having threatened President Yanukovich with economic ruin for just suggesting he might have to use Ukrainian military to stop people burning down government buildings in Kiev, the UN must act to restrain the current interim government, which has already deployed troops in several eastern cities.
amandabeech
(9,893 posts)He threatened Ukraine into accepting the Russian proposal and turning down the EU affiliation agreement.
You are the only "news source" who is reporting that the Ukrainian interim government has deployed troops in eastern Ukrainian cities.
Good day.