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brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:27 PM Apr 2014

LePage Leads in Three-Way Race

Source: PoliticalWire

A new Pan Atlantic SMS poll in Maine shows Gov. Paul LePage (R) leading his re-election race with 39%, followed by Michael Michaud (D) at 37% and Eliot Cutler (I) at 20%.


Read more: http://politicalwire.com/archives/2014/04/17/lepage_leads_in_three-way_race.html



This is what I was worried about. As long as Mainers insist on supporting Independents, the Teas Party is going to be able to squeak through. Personally, I'm ignoring what happens there: it's not a battleground State for Presidential races, and there are other States with better prospects for Senate pickups.
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LePage Leads in Three-Way Race (Original Post) brooklynite Apr 2014 OP
I understand what you're saying, but it would be really good to somehow totodeinhere Apr 2014 #1
Then the people of Maine need to make some choices... brooklynite Apr 2014 #6
Not a majority, a plurality. George II Apr 2014 #9
39% + 20% is a majority brooklynite Apr 2014 #12
No candidate has a majority but LePage has a narrow plurality. totodeinhere Apr 2014 #23
My point is that a majority are prepared to NOT vote for the Democrat... brooklynite Apr 2014 #24
Where does the 20% come from? George II Apr 2014 #25
39% to 37% That's not much of a lead bigdarryl Apr 2014 #2
We need to change the elections in which more than three run..... marble falls Apr 2014 #3
sad news oldandhappy Apr 2014 #4
Look at it this way - 57% want LaPage out... Blue Idaho Apr 2014 #5
Fuck Independents and Third Parties! onehandle Apr 2014 #7
What a brilliant comment. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #10
You mean like this one rpannier Apr 2014 #19
Without Nader, Gore WOULD have been President. nt onehandle Apr 2014 #20
Without Ron Paul yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #26
I think you mean Ross Perot KamaAina Apr 2014 #30
lol. yeoman6987 Apr 2014 #31
Bullshit. ForgoTheConsequence Apr 2014 #28
If one half of one percent of the Nader voters in Florida would have voted for Gore... onehandle Apr 2014 #29
Come on Maine, get it together and beat this asshole! TeamPooka Apr 2014 #8
More support for Independents and third party candidates is what is needed in this country. Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #11
wait, what? you're saying two things at once. alp227 Apr 2014 #14
Nope. Said two things one after the other, but Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #15
Given the structure of our government and system of electing representatives aceofblades Apr 2014 #21
Cutler nearly beat LePage last time Gormy Cuss Apr 2014 #22
You'd think they would learn. EC Apr 2014 #13
DEMS must work harder to show why voters should pick them. Enough difference-splitting "bipartisansh blkmusclmachine Apr 2014 #16
Ranked or instant runoff voting would be good for states IronLionZion Apr 2014 #17
I experienced LePage up close, first hand last weekend DFW Apr 2014 #18
Maine stop dicking and start dickering.... Historic NY Apr 2014 #27

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
1. I understand what you're saying, but it would be really good to somehow
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:36 PM
Apr 2014

get rid of LePage. He is a real dinosaur and the people of Maine can do so much better than that.

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
6. Then the people of Maine need to make some choices...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:36 PM
Apr 2014

Right now, a majority of voters polled are supporting him or ready to let him stay in office.

totodeinhere

(13,056 posts)
23. No candidate has a majority but LePage has a narrow plurality.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 07:42 PM
Apr 2014

Of course a narrow plurality would be all it takes to reelect him.

brooklynite

(94,333 posts)
24. My point is that a majority are prepared to NOT vote for the Democrat...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:08 PM
Apr 2014

...who is the only practical alternative to LePage.

 

bigdarryl

(13,190 posts)
2. 39% to 37% That's not much of a lead
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:37 PM
Apr 2014

If you just read the head line you would have though he had a 10 point lead.Why is it that when rethugs lead by 1 or two points on a democrat it's considered like a blowout but when reverse it's a tie with the democrats leading a rethug.

marble falls

(57,010 posts)
3. We need to change the elections in which more than three run.....
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 12:44 PM
Apr 2014

1. 51% to win.
2. No 51% - run off with top two.
3. None of the above is an option - 51% - new election.

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
5. Look at it this way - 57% want LaPage out...
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 01:19 PM
Apr 2014

Since the election isn't tomorrow there is time for votes to shift - lets hope they shift towards Michaud.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
19. You mean like this one
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 04:35 PM
Apr 2014

Virginia 2013 Governor
Mc Auliffe (Dem) 48%
Cuccinelli (Rep) 46%
Sarvis (Libertarian) 6%

Without Sarvis Cuccinelli would likely be Virginia's governor

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
28. Bullshit.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 10:55 PM
Apr 2014

Gore won the popular vote. Blame the corrupt Florida electoral system and the Supreme Court.


If someone chose to vote for Nader that doesn't mean that they would have voted for Gore if they didn't have another option.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
29. If one half of one percent of the Nader voters in Florida would have voted for Gore...
Fri Apr 18, 2014, 08:52 AM
Apr 2014

...Gore would have won.

Nader and the Greens worked 24/7 in Florida to make those voters stay the course.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
11. More support for Independents and third party candidates is what is needed in this country.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 02:42 PM
Apr 2014

LePage won't win if the Dems work hard enough to convince the populace that Michaud is the best candidate.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
15. Nope. Said two things one after the other, but
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:13 PM
Apr 2014

the second is related to the first: Dems (and GOPs for that matter) need to win on their own merits and if they are lax about selecting and promoting candidates they shouldn't blame third party candidates or independents for the loss.

But back to the first, IMHO we need more choices to invigorate our system. It's unnatural to have only two parties matter in a democracy. I say that as a lifelong registered Democrat.

aceofblades

(73 posts)
21. Given the structure of our government and system of electing representatives
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:47 PM
Apr 2014

on both a national local level (presidential and non parliamentary) many political scientists have argued that a two party system indeed does seem to be a "natural" equilibrium state most of the time. There's also the famous 'Duverger's Law', which was based upon observations of data, argues that most countries that use of single-member districts and plurality rule for elections, marginalizes small parties and foster the development of a two party system. This is in contrast to proportional representation used in many parliamentary democracies(many of which have sustained third parties that routinely obtain representation in national legislatures.)


There are counter examples to be sure, but in my opinion, there are other unique qualities to the history and electorate of those countries which affect the application of this 'law'(which Duverger himself said was not absolute).

I should also say, that I think there are reasonable arguments about changing parts of our elective system, but as I mentioned above, there are reasons to suspect why a two party system is more or less a 'natural' evolution of the structure of government and elections in the U.S.

Regardless, Mr. Cutler has already run against Governor Lepage and lost. It seems, from polling, he has less support this time around If you're an independent and you can win, that's one thing (Angus King/Bernie Sanders). When you've already lost in the past, are currently losing, and refuse to drop out and improve the chances of the closest available ideological candidate in the process, then I think others can rightly start to look at you as a Ralph Nader type.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
22. Cutler nearly beat LePage last time
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 05:55 PM
Apr 2014

because many Democrats found him to be a better candidate than the party choice. If Michaud is the candidate this time, that won't be true. This poll shows Michaud essentially in a dead heat and that means that the party should be able to come out victorious if the campaigning is smart.


(and thanks for the political science perspectives on two party systems.)

EC

(12,287 posts)
13. You'd think they would learn.
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 02:59 PM
Apr 2014

That means it's just like the Federal Government now. Little more than a third of the people will be represented in the state.

 

blkmusclmachine

(16,149 posts)
16. DEMS must work harder to show why voters should pick them. Enough difference-splitting "bipartisansh
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 03:17 PM
Apr 2014
-it."

Third Way sucks.

IronLionZion

(45,380 posts)
17. Ranked or instant runoff voting would be good for states
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 04:01 PM
Apr 2014

with a strong indie streak.

Either way, I hope Mainers can rid of that loser

DFW

(54,281 posts)
18. I experienced LePage up close, first hand last weekend
Thu Apr 17, 2014, 04:01 PM
Apr 2014

What can I use to describe him? Oaf? Thug? Jerk?

More like all of the above and more. How ANYONE can support this clown is a mystery to me.

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