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dipsydoodle

(42,239 posts)
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 09:54 AM Apr 2014

Russian Parliament Approves New Law Restricting the Internet

Source: WSJ

MOSCOW—Russia's parliament approved a package of bills that impose sweeping new restrictions on the Internet and blogging. The proposals drew wide criticism from local technology companies and pro-democracy activists.

The new measures come amid a series of steps to tighten the Kremlin's control over media and the political system in Russia, efforts that have gained momentum as western criticism of Moscow's behavior in Ukraine crisis has fueled official attacks on Kremlin critics inside Russia.

The draft laws affecting the Internet, which are expected to be signed soon by President Vladimir Putin and take effect in August, have elicited unusually strong criticism from Russia's vibrant technology sector.

"The adoption of the law will become a yet another step in increasing government control over the Internet in Russia, which will negatively impact the development of the industry," said a spokesman for Russia's biggest search engine Yandex. The company announced it was closing its popular blog-rating service earlier than it had planned "prompted by the recent legislative initiatives."

Read more: http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304163604579531460215555456

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Russian Parliament Approves New Law Restricting the Internet (Original Post) dipsydoodle Apr 2014 OP
Wow - Some people here will be SO GLAD that Putin is getting the old USSR back together. blm Apr 2014 #1
This has to be heart breaking for many Russians who were happy to engage with the karynnj Apr 2014 #2
Meet the new boss...same as the old boss FrodosPet Apr 2014 #29
welcome to "tsonsalg" srican69 Apr 2014 #3
Putin's Russia=the USSR minus all of the USSR's redeeming geek tragedy Apr 2014 #4
Or, in other words... UnseenUndergrad Apr 2014 #25
but with nukes and memories of being a global player nt geek tragedy Apr 2014 #26
and their national hockey team is mired in suck Blue_Tires Apr 2014 #31
can't beat Finland in hockey, can't lay a finger on those insolent geek tragedy Apr 2014 #32
Putin may be a dictator heaven05 Apr 2014 #5
Unlike anything I have ever witnessed before. THX1138 ballyhoo Apr 2014 #6
yeah, great movie heaven05 Apr 2014 #7
I think there will be some kind ballyhoo Apr 2014 #8
per last question heaven05 Apr 2014 #10
Yes, Heaven, hope to Heaven we ballyhoo Apr 2014 #13
Odd Words, Sir, For Such A Devoted Fan Of Paul Craig Roberts.... The Magistrate Apr 2014 #16
Laffer devised Reaganomics--not Roberts... ballyhoo Apr 2014 #19
Laffer Drew On A Napkin, Sir: Roberts Did Heavy Lifting The Magistrate Apr 2014 #21
Guess he missed the part where I said Roberts was a "co-founder", Sir. greatauntoftriplets Apr 2014 #27
Fella Misses A Lot, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Apr 2014 #28
And Another, Sir, From Your 'Greatest Hits' File.... The Magistrate Apr 2014 #24
I wish I had the boomer sense to properly evaluate the plethoro of crap that PCR has written... SidDithers Apr 2014 #42
I'm Boomer One, February ballyhoo Apr 2014 #45
Wow. Paul Craig Roberts is a white nationalist asshat.., SidDithers Apr 2014 #41
Yep, He A Real Peach, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #46
I agree with your time frame heaven05 Apr 2014 #18
Yep. World would be a different place had ballyhoo Apr 2014 #20
yep heaven05 Apr 2014 #23
The internet is not gone here - and even if net neutrality is lost, it will still be here karynnj Apr 2014 #14
They are in some sense allies. Igel Apr 2014 #35
That was a good post, Igel. I agreed with 90 per cent of ballyhoo Apr 2014 #40
Welcome to the new Russia rtracey Apr 2014 #9
I agree with your characterization but I think your ballyhoo Apr 2014 #12
Are books next? R Merm Apr 2014 #11
This would be amusing to see enacted here. Blue_Adept Apr 2014 #15
Amusing Would Not Be The Half Of It, Sir.... The Magistrate Apr 2014 #17
Hey Comrade Snowden...how's this grab'n ya?!? SoapBox Apr 2014 #22
Technology cares nothing of your silly ''laws,'' Vladdie. DeSwiss Apr 2014 #30
They'll mostly be able to. Igel Apr 2014 #36
A possible scenario..... DeSwiss Apr 2014 #44
Wow, they are rapidly falling off the edge. /nt Ash_F Apr 2014 #33
Terrible and unjust, Russian dissent will grow. n/t Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #34
And it will be beaten down. Igel Apr 2014 #38
Hear Hear, Sir The Magistrate Apr 2014 #39
It is a bloddy mess for them. I was referring to the demonstrators in Moscow. Jefferson23 Apr 2014 #43
Policy details from the article. laurent Apr 2014 #37

blm

(113,047 posts)
1. Wow - Some people here will be SO GLAD that Putin is getting the old USSR back together.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 09:57 AM
Apr 2014

Like old times.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
2. This has to be heart breaking for many Russians who were happy to engage with the
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:01 AM
Apr 2014

world again. I guess Putin wants to put Russia (and any other satellite state) behind an iron curtain again. Sad that that phrase which sounds like a relic from a bygone age may be current again if Putin gets his way.

srican69

(1,426 posts)
3. welcome to "tsonsalg"
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:05 AM
Apr 2014

In case you are wondering

that is Glasnost in reverse

Glasnost (Russian: гла́сность, IPA: [ˈɡlasnəsʲtʲ] ( listen), lit. "publicity&quot was a policy that called for increased openness and transparency in government institutions and activities in the Soviet Union. Introduced by Mikhail Gorbachev in the second half of the 1980s,[1] Glasnost is often paired with Perestroika (literally: Restructuring), another reform instituted by Gorbachev at the same time. The word "glasnost" has been used in Russian at least since the end of the 18th century.[2]

The word was frequently used by Gorbachev to specify the policies he believed might help reduce the corruption at the top of the Communist Party and the Soviet government and moderate the abuse of administrative power in the Central Committee
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
4. Putin's Russia=the USSR minus all of the USSR's redeeming
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:05 AM
Apr 2014

qualities plus ethnonationalism and explicit homophobia and Christianism.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
5. Putin may be a dictator
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:12 AM
Apr 2014

yet I wouldn't be surprised to see some form of sweeping restrictions in america down the road. The whole idea of 'freedom for individuals' is slowly being confiscated by governments, banks and corporations worldwide.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
6. Unlike anything I have ever witnessed before. THX1138
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:20 AM
Apr 2014

here we come. Once the media was owned, it was all over
but the shoutin'.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
8. I think there will be some kind
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:35 AM
Apr 2014

of denouement this year. Either Putin backs off (doubtful) or there is war (hot or cold). Anything in between is just a pause. The key player here is China, who did not like Putin's annexing Crimea, which is the reason for their recent abstention vote. What I'm wondering is with all the economic strategies of the West against Putin does anyone know what reciprocation he can take with financial strategies should China help him out. They held those Sino-Russia military drills for some reason.

But are our shouts being heard? And with the Internet gone will the hearers be important enough to do anything?

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
10. per last question
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:41 AM
Apr 2014

I doubt it. But something is slowly escalating here and it bodes ill for all of us, eventually.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
13. Yes, Heaven, hope to Heaven we
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:51 AM
Apr 2014

aren't looking at Hell. One final question: how long ago, years, decades, whatever, did you see what is unfolding now as a possibility? For me, it was mid-Reagan, when he changed the tax structures and the rich got energized.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
21. Laffer Drew On A Napkin, Sir: Roberts Did Heavy Lifting
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:23 AM
Apr 2014

He was Kemp's economic brain, then went to then same role for Hatch, was a prominent voice for reducing taxes on the wealthy, then was in the Treasury with an economic policy portfolio for Reagan.

And into the bargain, a raving racist and anti-semite....

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
42. I wish I had the boomer sense to properly evaluate the plethoro of crap that PCR has written...
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:33 PM
Apr 2014

but really, we all know that he's just some kind of neo-ralme.

dddd

Sid

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
45. I'm Boomer One, February
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 08:15 PM
Apr 2014

20, 1946 2:20 AM. I don't think he's that at all. I am reading How America Was Lost right now. He doesn't miss a beat. But you are certainly entitled to your opinion.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
41. Wow. Paul Craig Roberts is a white nationalist asshat..,
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:30 PM
Apr 2014

who fundraises for hate site VDARE, and once wrote, in a glowing review of Pat Buchanan's Death of the West

But the most fearsome fact is that the demonization of white people in the universities today is more extreme than the demonization of the Jews that was a prominent feature of German university life for 60 years prior to the rise of National Socialism.

Demonization of whites is the weapon used by multiculturalists to breakup western civilization. But teaching hatred has other consequences. Demonization has already demoralized some whites, making them ashamed and fearful of their skin color.

By the time whites become political minorities, decades of demonization will have prepared the ground for legislation prohibiting their propagation and, perhaps, assigning them to the gulag as a final solution to “the cancer of human history.”


Anyone using favourably using PCR as a source at DU is immediately suspect in my book.

Sid
 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
18. I agree with your time frame
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:15 AM
Apr 2014

for the most part that was the time for me. Yet with the anti civil rights reactionaries devising and implementing their 'southern strategy' late 60's-70's, that started me looking into RW push back against civil rights that I had been expecting, at that time, from the RW reactionaries(racists). Reagan was, for me, the crystallization of their RW agenda. Bush's theft of the 2000 and 2004 elections was the coup d'etat that real Americans have and are fighting against.

karynnj

(59,503 posts)
14. The internet is not gone here - and even if net neutrality is lost, it will still be here
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:59 AM
Apr 2014

Not to mention, you CAN go to your state or federal government representatives and you can be heard -- which does not mean they will agree with you. It is true that the 1% can have a much bigger voice, but WE DON'T HAVE TO LISTEN TO THEM. Ultimately, they need votes to put people in office. So far, only PEOPLE can vote.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
35. They are in some sense allies.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:42 PM
Apr 2014

It may not be a very stable alliance. The ONF's big point is that the Eurasian "bit" is mostly economic and not ideological. Along with cultural, in the sense that Russia donminates and Russian is the "regional language." Overall, it's economic.

Both are fairly clear: Their morality is power and money. They don't bother with pretenses except when they think it will be perceived as an argument by their opponent.

The only reason to argue about self-determination in Crimea is because it convinces people in the West and makes for a split population. Putin doesn't care about self-determination, except possibly the only kind that matters--Russians rejoining the Russian collective.

China is precisely the same. You hear about highfalutin' principles when discussing the West's hypocrisy, not what China should do. You hear about democratic principles when the Chinese are arguing that the West should sod off--and they're discounted when the West uses them against China.

China's the weak link here. Russia, in wanting to be Eurasian (not something that was huge; it mirrors Obama's Asia pivot, which is to accomplish about the same goal), requires that China play ball. That China prefer to trade with it and with the West through Russia. If China opted to trade primarily through the US or South America Russia would be on the periphery of both "worlds." Russia wants to use antagonism by and paranoia against the West to unify an economic alliance, which necessarily means some sort of military alliance.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
40. That was a good post, Igel. I agreed with 90 per cent of
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:06 PM
Apr 2014

it. I also agreed with your post on the bottom of the thread outlining the East collapse, which happened awfully fast. The question I want to ask is the same I just asked Truth2power. Will this lead us closer to war or will there be a pause? Putin may do something unexpected here. He may start to deal differently now. Make a deal.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
9. Welcome to the new Russia
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:36 AM
Apr 2014

The new Russia = 1954....welcome back.... now lets see how long it takes for the new rich Russians to revolt, because believe me, I stated earlier, during the Crimean take-back, it will happen, it won't be long......

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
12. I agree with your characterization but I think your
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 10:44 AM
Apr 2014

timetable might be wrong. With the return of the SU and change of political dynamics, the oligarchs will have to think a bit about what they are going to do. Life is not the same with all our lovely automation.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
15. This would be amusing to see enacted here.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:01 AM
Apr 2014
"The bill would require bloggers with 3,000 or more page views a day to reveal their identities, fact-check their content, not disseminate extremist information or information violating privacy of citizens, and abide by the rules of pre-election silence, among other requirements."


How many news organizations could continue to exist? Especially since most employ bloggers to provide content on their sites.

SoapBox

(18,791 posts)
22. Hey Comrade Snowden...how's this grab'n ya?!?
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 11:29 AM
Apr 2014

I'm sure you are real proud of Czar Putin and your new Motherland!

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
30. Technology cares nothing of your silly ''laws,'' Vladdie.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 04:06 PM
Apr 2014

Now enforce it.

- This is Putin's tell. You fucked it up, bud. Couldn't keep that ol' KGB tiger under control, could ya?

K&R

''All tyrannies rule through fraud and force, but once the fraud is exposed they must rely exclusively on force.'' ~George Orwell

[center][/center]

Igel

(35,300 posts)
36. They'll mostly be able to.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:46 PM
Apr 2014

First, they'll control the companies. vKontakte wasn't an isolated case. The same maneuvre works in a variety of contexts.

Second, they'll control the infrastructure. The wires, the routers, the connections to the outside. That'll leave expensive uplinks to tie in with the Internet via satellite or have everything pass through government-installed filters.

Russia is heading towards the Chinese Internet model. It's not flawless, to be sure, but it's a lot better (from a Putinesca point of view) than the Western model.

 

DeSwiss

(27,137 posts)
44. A possible scenario.....
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:44 PM
Apr 2014

...but I see one that's different. One in which the future of tech is not in large infrastructural designs that become too bulky and difficult to adapt to to change. That's a ''control'' model.

As the modularization of technology process continues to evolve, it will become virtually impossible to control or cutoff communications in the future because of the use of virtual networks.

Then to regain ''control'' they're forced to bring out their hammer, because that's all these numbnuts know how to do. HULK SMASH! And then they'll piss everyone off. Either way, they lose in the end.

- I see these as the last machinations of the dinosaurs who refuse to read the handwriting on the wall because it's all talking about them and their demise.....

Igel

(35,300 posts)
38. And it will be beaten down.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:51 PM
Apr 2014

If a protester is beaten to a pulp and the media ignore it, did it really happen?

The Ukrainian 16-year-old whose son was killed in Crimea--she says just because he only spoke Ukrainian and not Russian--seems to not matter to anybody but Ukrainians.

The Ukrainians barely care about the Tatars in Crimea except to the extent it makes Russia look bad. Turns out that reports of bad things happening to the Tatars gets no response from the West. So those that have been dispossessed for not being proper Russians, schools that are closed, jobs that have been taken and granted to Russians ... Do they really exist if nobody knows about the extreme nationalistic-based racism that's occurring?

Do even the supporters of Aksenov and the Russian take-over care, even if they call themselves "progressive"?

No.

It happens in Donetsk and even then it's hard to get them to stop shouting about Ukrainians fascists and the innocence of the cuddly little peaceniks in Slov'ansk.

Jefferson23

(30,099 posts)
43. It is a bloddy mess for them. I was referring to the demonstrators in Moscow.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 07:37 PM
Apr 2014

Not to discount your assessment, it is sadly accurate.

On edit, and that dissent will grow in Russia.

 

laurent

(57 posts)
37. Policy details from the article.
Tue Apr 29, 2014, 06:47 PM
Apr 2014
The bill would require bloggers with 3,000 or more page-views a day to reveal their identities, fact-check their content, not disseminate extremist information or information violating privacy of citizens, and abide by the rules of pre-election silence....

Social-networking sites, blog hosts and other "organizers of disseminating of information on the Internet" may also be affected, as the bill requires them to store data on popular users' activity online for six months for potential use in police and other official investigations.
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