Inmate dies after botched execution; second execution stayed
Source: NewsOK (The Daily Oklahoman)
McALESTER State Corrections Department officials stopped the execution of an inmate Tuesday after a botched lethal injection. Corrections Department Director Robert Patton later addressed members of the media, and announced after a blown vein, Lockett suffered a heart attack at 7:06 p.m., and was declared dead.
The execution officially began at 6:23 p.m. Patton said all three drugs had been administered, but they did not have the desired effect. Patton said Lockett died in the execution room.
Officials closed the curtains in the execution room 16 minutes into the procedure, after Clayton Derrell Lockett convulsed several times, his chest and head rising off the gurney at multiple points.
Read more: http://newsok.com/execution-for-one-inmate-botched-stayed-for-another/article/4744351
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)laurent
(57 posts)As society moves from barbarism to civilization, there is less and less emphasis on corporal punishment. In the West, we no longer cut off people's hands or lash them. Execution is the last remaining form of corporal punishment in Western civilization. Abolishing the death penalty would be the end of corporal punishment and thus an advancement for our civilization. Many other nations have already taken this step, and could therefore be said to be more civilized than the US.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)jmowreader
(50,553 posts)"Corporal" punishment is spanking someone because they fucked up.
"Capital" punishment is killing them because they REALLY fucked up.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)Killing someone is destroying their body. The poster used the correct word.
Cal33
(7,018 posts)back again. We have too many sociopaths in leading positions today - both in government and in
private industry. Some of the more severely sociopathic ones are also sadists. They enjoy torturing
others: those who are for water-boarding, for instance.
Sociopaths are our Public Enemy Number One. They are the cause of most problems, worldwide.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)created by current civilization we are still a barbaric race. Is it not barbaric to kill for oil, race, sexual preference and a host of other reasons? Human society has had time to move from barbaric to real classless and race neutral society. NOPE! Not there yet. Execution is a perplexing problem with the racism, classism and corruption in our judicial system. I know innocent people are being convicted of heinous crimes that they had no part in perpetrating. Yet the barbaric slaughterer of innocent human beings sits behind bars breathing good air and eating good food. I bet that the only thing he/she is regretting is that they got caught. Like I say it is a perplexing problem for the human race barely out of the caves.
Ash_F
(5,861 posts)I am not asking you if you have ever been convicted of a crime. I am asking if you have ever been, at least, jailed.
It is not a good time. To be jailed for life is a very serious punishment.
elleng
(130,865 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)EXECTUTIONS NEED TO BE ABOLISHED!!!!!!!!
iM SORRY, I CANT READ ALL YOUR OP.
FUCK EM ALL! AND FUCK ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS KILLING ANOTHER HUMAN BEING FOR REVANGE!!!!
Psephos
(8,032 posts)A Ponca City man has been convicted of first-degree murder and 18 other counts involving a crime spree that left Stephanie Nieman dead and two other people injured. A Noble County jury deliberated more than three hours Wednesday before returning the guilty verdicts for Clayton Derrell Lockett, 24.
The spree in June 1999 began when Lockett and two others forced their way into Bobby Bornt's residence in Perry, police said. Nieman, 19, of Perry and another 19-year-old from Perry arrived at the home and were accosted by the men and had their hands bound with duct tape. One of the women was raped. Authorities said the women did not know the suspects.
Bornt, his 9-month-old son, and the two women were taken to a location in Kay County where Neiman was shot. Police said the others were put back in trucks, driven back to Perry and released. The child was not harmed.
Neiman's body was found in a shallow grave along a dirt road near Tonkawa. One of the suspects led police to the body.
The woman's two friends have said they believed they were allowed to live because they had children.
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I am strongly opposed to the death penalty myself. However, it's abominable and revealing when there is far more "concern" spent on the criminal than on his/her victims. Especially when the victims received horrifying and cruel death penalty themselves.
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)WE are supposed to 'Correct and rehabilitate" , or that is what we learn in school.
rehabilitation how, by killing them????>>!!???
FUCK THAT!!!
NO!
THERE IS NOTHING THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT WILL MAKE ME RECONSIDER THE DEATH PENALTY.
Psephos
(8,032 posts)You know, the part where I said I AM UNEQUIVOCALLY OPPOSED TO THE DEATH PENALTY.
Apparently you ignored the rest of it, too.
/caps off
darkangel218
(13,985 posts)But you ask me what do I have to say about the victim???
Our system is supposed to correct and rehabilitate, not kill.
THAT FUCKING SIMPLE!!
have a nice day.
Psephos
(8,032 posts)darkangel218
(13,985 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)like the ones responsible for crimes of rape and murder to be corrected and rehabilitated? Just curious.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It's already agreed that rapists are not executed. Only murderers. And they are not to be executed by a painful method. That's why as a society we chose lethal injections.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)effectively by torture
That does not mean the victim or the victim's family is sympathized with
The murders happened in 1999, and that is one story, but the story on this has to do with a botched execution, and that should have never been allowed to happen. Why did it go so terribly wrong? That issue is different then arguing whether there should be capital punishment or not.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)that most states with the death penalty have moved to lethal injection because it medicalises execution and makes it somewhat more acceptable to the public. If hanging were still the primary method of execution opposition to the death penalty would probably be higher than it is.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Punishment, but the intent was to provide the least painful execution possible, and it failed miserably.
Someone pointed out in this thread that the Supreme Court in the state ruled to stay the execution, and the governor refused. I suspect that if their higher court did put a stay in, there was more than reasonable doubt that the method they were using had not be adequately verified.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Used in that way as a 'pre-mix'. There is something so bogus about whatever Ok. Doctor suggested that. I hope the worlds Doctors speak-up and condemn that USA state.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 30, 2014, 09:23 PM - Edit history (1)
What they did is first administer a drug to calm him and make him sleep, then another agent which caused him to cross over as gently as possible . Gunner could not breathe and there was no remedy. Even though that still haunts me I feel I did the only thing I could do under the circumstances. What they did in Oklahoma, is a violation of basic humanity
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Like you said, no human being should be treated the way they did, and it should make folks question
exactly what is Capital Punishment for. why isn't Life imprisonment without parole done. Why do people seek revenge?
heaven05
(18,124 posts)BRING BACK THE GUILLOTINE IN THE PUBLIC SQUARE!!!! THEN WE WOULD PROBABLY SEE A DECLINE IN CRIME. Kinda kidding, but what about vicious criminals that care nothing about innocent human life? Rest of their lives in prison, breathing good air and eating food? I guess????But what about their innocent victims?
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)considering that there's some not insignificant proportion of people wrongly convicted (see here for instance: http://www.innocenceproject.org/Content/DNA_Exonerations_Nationwide.php ), it's probably worse to execute the innocent for a crime they didn't commit. Life imprisonment removes murderers from society permanently.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)pretty simple huh? With, granted, the unfairly and wrongly convicted, it is a perplexing problem. Just recently I have taken another look at my stand on 'execute them all'. But the question that keeps cropping up, with me, is while the murder victim(s) problems are over here, what drives individuals to slaughter innocent human beings beside the obvious mental illnesses. Are all murderers driven by mental illness? Was the murderer of my sister mentally ill. If he was, he hid it well because I knew him. To this day I would want him to suffer the pain and terror he caused my sister. And true it's not just about me. There is too much racism, classism and just plain corruption out here to justify all executions. Yet the pain and terror these contemptible human pieces of waste cause is not to be just written off as 'serving the rest of their lives behind bars'. What if they escape?
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)The rate of wrongful convictions is enough reason to end the death penalty.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)just because you believe what YOU believe does not make it necessarily so. That "vengeance is mine sayeth the lord" stuff doesn't cover the pain and terror experienced by innocent victims of these animals. I'm not confusing a damn thing. It's a perplexing problem for thinking individuals.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)what about the families of people wrongfully executed? Do they not count?
Doesn't seem to me like you're doing much thinking at all.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)your answer shows me that I have done a hell of a lot more thinking about this problem than you have. I'm done with your snark.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)either that or you just don't care that around ten percent of those sentenced to death are innocent. (Total number of executions since 1976, 1378; total number of exonerations, 144, you do the math.)
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tavernier
(12,377 posts)but this fiend deserved to be drawn and quartered.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,173 posts)I wish I could be so lucky as they are, to be living.....in prison.
Psephos
(8,032 posts)Good luck with that.
And they are further unaware of how much of a sham "justice" becomes when an innocent person is executed. There are no further appeals from the grave.
That alone is the strongest argument against the death penalty for me.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)now
Psephos
(8,032 posts)lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)invrabbit
(21 posts)nobodyspecial
(2,286 posts)The news story is about the execution so that is what people are commenting on. You can care about the victims AND be outraged about the way the death penalty is being administered.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)Either you think it's all right to kill a person or you don't. And either you think it's all right to make a person suffer terror and pain as they die or you don't.
What a horrific, inhuman thing he did. I can't imagine being that kind of person. Neither can I imagine there being anything positive in making him seize and then die of a heart attack in front of people who, for better or worse, did care about him.
mvd
(65,173 posts)- first of all, I don't believe in any killing. Killing the killers to me does not make a right.
- it has not proven to be a deterrent
- the costly (but necessary) appeals
- it puts us in bad company with China and Iran
- it is unfairly carried out and risks killing the innocent
But just my first reason makes me opposed. I am morally against it.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)just stated all my reasons for being against the death penalty also. Thank you.
840high
(17,196 posts)Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)He died a horrible death where he shouldn't have. Yes, he was a murderer, but society shouldn't be monsters in taking his life. I thought us humans outgrew that notion in the last 100 years, but it seems not.
delta17
(283 posts)Some choices have consequences. Just like I wouldn't have much sympathy for someone who gambled their money away, I don't have much sympathy for this jerk.
Hayabusa
(2,135 posts)and it should have happened in as painless way as possible.
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Psephos
(8,032 posts)Let me repeat this for you and the other nonreaders here v e r y s l o w l y:
I am unequivocally AGAINST the death penalty. No exceptions. Capisce?
Yet, I have also observed human nature AS IT ACTUALLY IS, every fucking day. I don't try to impose a political construct on it, I just take note.
Anyone with even a passing knowledge of history knows that vengeance and retribution are essentially universal across cultures and time, and are wired into the human psyche from prehistoric tribal times, when they served a survival purpose among kin-related groups. They are the emotions behind Us vs. Them, which we play out every day here on DU against our mortal "Them" enemies, the demonic, subhuman, child-hating monsters: repugs.
Vengeance and retribution in their raw native state are the gasoline that ignites into fights, feuds, and wars. They have never once been legislated away. They've not shown susceptibility to religious prohibition nor political lectures. If we try to smash them down deep and lock them away, they will do what every other suppressed passion eventually does: work their way out in vastly more destructive ways. The real-world strategy that works, as any psychologist will tell you, is to SUBLIMATE the passion by channeling it out in a nondestructive way. Vent it so that it doesn't explode. Accept human nature, but not barbaric outcomes. Provide a way to acknowledge and respect vengeance passion, but also to prevent it from causing more misery.
So, yep, there actually IS an element of vengeance and/or retribution involved in gruesome murder cases, which you would know if anyone ever raped your 19 year old daughter, kidnapped her at gunpoint, dragged her to a dark field and shot her to death while she sobbed, and then tossed her body into a shallow grave. I don't need it or want these primitive emotions if I have no personal stake in an atrocity, but I'm not so stupid to deny I'd feel it in my bone marrow if I did. As would you, Saint Rick.
JoeyT
(6,785 posts)granted their murderer through our democratic government. Had the murderer put his crime to a vote, the vote would have been no.
You're also using one of the most abhorrent of the pro-DP arguments while claiming to be anti-DP. "If you don't think someone deserves to be tortured to death you must care more about them than the person they killed!" is a shitty argument. Empathy isn't a zero sum game. If you think it is, you're doing it wrong.
Something in this thread was abominable and revealing, but it wasn't her post.
Psephos
(8,032 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Expressing concern for A does deny that same concern for B; it may however, express an implicit relevance to the OP...
treestar
(82,383 posts)It does not mean we don't have concern for the victims of the crime.
swilton
(5,069 posts)when he committed this crime -
He could have been rehabilitated -
There are many adults who get away with murder = (politicians who wage wars of aggression, state Governors who lust for state murder/torture through secrecy and employment of experimental drugs = the list goes on) ...
As one who grew up in Ponca City, OK, the guilty man's hometown, I feel shame for the city, the state and our country in how the Oklahoma Governor and its politicians lusted after the execution, especially after the objections of the Oklahoma courts.
840high
(17,196 posts)PumpkinAle
(1,210 posts)totally unwarranted and unnecessary.
Only after watching Lockett suffer did they decide to close the curtains. I guess they got the bloodlust they were after.
hlthe2b
(102,225 posts)Cheney, McCain, Palin, Graham, Bolton et al. must be somewhere smiling, hearing this.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's pathetic when barbaric acts like firing squads and hangings are more "humane" than the supposedly "humane" lethal injection.
I just rec'd this thing to give it visibility, not because I'm a fan of executions...("rec" can be misconstrued).
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Judi Lynn
(160,516 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)heinous crimes
Warpy
(111,245 posts)but there's no way I'd tell an executioner about it.
The condemned man should have been allowed to live out his life in prison, far away from women. The man who was to follow him should live out his life in prison, far from children.
840high
(17,196 posts)an 11 month baby - no pity for him.
I'd rather have him spend a lifetime clean and sober and with that child's screams haunting his nightmares every single night.
840high
(17,196 posts)IronGate
(2,186 posts)so I doubt he would hear her screams or have nightmares of what he did.
christx30
(6,241 posts)He should be forced to live in a small room with a bench until he dies. He gets 2 meals a day, but not enough to keep him healthy. Just enough to prevent death by starvation. He never goes outside. He gets sick, he dies, he's carted out. But he never sees outside the walls of his cell. He can meet with his lawyer for 1 hour per month to work on appeals.
If he's found innocent, this will give a chance to be released. If not, he dies of natural causes. But he gets more of a chance than his victim did. I think it's a good compromise.
Heathen57
(573 posts)following the article, and it makes me wonder about our morality and the sanity of some of our citizens.
But most of all, it just makes me sick.
Mira
(22,380 posts)What the fuck is wrong with us to be such barbarians still.
mvd
(65,173 posts)About method and where the drugs came from. Oklahoma put blood lust above being humane. I became firmly anti-death penalty a while ago and was never much for it.
madville
(7,408 posts)Had stated in an interview that lethal injection was "too easy" a way to go in this case, looks like they were wrong about that.
The second guy that was supposed to get executed but it was stayed after this happened, he raped and murdered an 11-month old girl.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)One kidnapped, beat, raped, shot, and then buried alive a 19-year old woman. The other raped and killed an 11-month old baby.
IronGate
(2,186 posts)but I'm not gonna lose any sleep over the 1st guy and the second one that raped and murdered an 11 month baby girl, my solution is to place him in general pop and let nature take it's course.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)act of violence. Their lives are changed forever, perhaps ruined, depending. Most likely they will never feel closure, even if the murderers were drawn and quartered because it will never bring back those who were lost. Walking into an empty house, and the laughter or companionship they once knew is gone, and nothing can bring that back.
avebury
(10,952 posts)mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)After reading it, I don't even want to drive through Oklahoma.
avebury
(10,952 posts)by Mark Fuhrman. It is about several death penalty cases in Oklahoma County during the era of DA Bob Macy and police chemist Joyce Gilchrist. I had to read it because it dealt with local cases and there was a huge scandal on Joycy Gilchrist (that I think became a Law & Order case). Fuhrman started out pro death penalty and changed his mind after his research on the Oklahoma cases. The stuff on Gilchrist is pretty bad.
http://www.amazon.com/Death-Justice-Mark-Fuhrman-ebook/dp/B003XDUCKY/ref=sr_1_3?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1398825864&sr=1-3&keywords=mark+fuhrman
Into the debate steps Mark Fuhrman, America's most famous detective, and no stranger to controversy himself.
Fuhrman seeks to answer these questions by investigating the death penalty in Oklahoma, where a "hang 'em high" attitude of cowboy justice resulted in twentyone executions in 2001, more than any other state. Most of these cases came from one jurisdiction, Oklahoma County, where legendary DA Bob Macy bragged of sending more people to death row than any other prosecutor, and police chemist Joyce Gilchrist was eventually fired for mismanaging the crime lab. Examining police records, trial transcripts, appellate decisions and conducting hundreds of interviews, Fuhrman focuses his considerable investigative skills on more than a dozen of the most controversial Oklahoma death penalty cases.
From Publishers Weekly
Former LAPD detective Fuhrman (Murder in Brentwood and Murder in Spokane) may not be an elegant stylist, but his latest book is a serious and alarming investigation of legal misconduct on a massive scale. In 2001, Oklahoma executed 21 death row inmates-more than any other state in the country-and 13 had been convicted by the same Oklahoma County district attorney, Bob Macy. Fuhrman sets the stage: A barrel-chested cowboy whose good-ol'-boy brand of frontier politics and hard-line stance on the death penalty earned him a handful of enemies but many more powerful friends, Macy aggressively pushed for the death penalty in cases that other prosecutors would likely never have brought to trial. And his political influence and tearfully delivered closing arguments led to victory more often than not. Supporting Macy in his self-righteous campaign against crime was Joyce Gilchrist, director of the Oklahoma City Police Department crime lab. Often scolded for indiscretions but never strongly questioned, Gilchrist, Fuhrman explains, flagrantly mismanaged the crime lab for nearly two decades and routinely gave false and misleading testimony under oath (testimony that led to several death penalty convictions). When the cumulative effects of Gilchrist's incompetence and a federal investigation finally threatened to erupt into a national scandal, potentially damaging evidence against her was found to be either conveniently missing or prematurely destroyed. Fuhrman stops short of calling Oklahoma's problems a conspiracy, but he does show that they are endemic not only to Oklahoma but also to our entire criminal justice system. While his discussions of the ethical complexities of executions are unsophisticated, Fuhrman's book makes for an engrossing read.
Copyright 2003 Reed Business Information, Inc.
951-Riverside
(7,234 posts)Why couldnt it have been the baby rapist and killer?
avebury
(10,952 posts)more brutal sentence for the baby killer because he would have to be kept in isolation. There are some crimes that even hard core criminals won't tolerate.
freshwest
(53,661 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014441749
There's nothing in the links about special protection, afraid of living life in prison or eaten up with remorse.
Of course we don't know the people in the news.
Fearless
(18,421 posts)jtuck004
(15,882 posts)than people can imagine. It's why most vets take your animal in the other room, and why I always have been and always will be by their side when and if that time comes.
And, frankly, since we don't need to do that, as far as I am concerned any city that has a kill shelter has a whole city full of barbaric ass clowns.
Doing it to people doesn't make it worse. It's still evil.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Who more than them would love to blow away a tied down victim?
IkeRepublican
(406 posts)"Mr. Lockett was convicted of shooting a 19-year-old woman in 1999 and having her buried alive."
Source: NYT
Lancero
(3,003 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Or burn him down with a belt sander?
What Would Jesus Use To Execute A Human?
Lancero
(3,003 posts)It was preformed. He died.
The chosen method was used, and the intended outcome of the method was attained. I fail to see what part of this was botched.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Pain is transient.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)provide the least amount of suffering. That is not what happened, and that is why it was botched. Doesn't really take rocket science does it?
Lancero
(3,003 posts)The ultimate goal of the injections were to bring his life to a end.
They did.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)have one without the other and consider it successful
tclambert
(11,085 posts)since not going smoothly according to the script upset so many in the audience.
avebury
(10,952 posts)local news channel websites. They are a bunch of vengeful, blood thirsty people in this state. I am really surprised that they haven't passed a law to allow execution by stoning in this state. For a state that claims to be a Christian state that believes in the sanctity of life they want to cherry pick when life is sacred and when it is not.
Glorfindel
(9,726 posts)WTF? I mean, really, WTF?
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)Glorfindel
(9,726 posts)Imagine a DEMOCRATIC governor defying a state supreme court's ruling. He or she would be in prison forever and ever, amen.
lostincalifornia
(3,639 posts)could even get involved and take this up to the Supreme Court
meanit
(455 posts)don't like anyone trying to spoil their fun.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,306 posts)I can't see it in the article in the OP; this article says there had been arguments about teh State Supreme Court's jurisdiction, but they ended up letting the executions go ahead anyway.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)I wonder if the copy editor did it on purpose
jimlup
(7,968 posts)You'd think we'd learn that killing people is a stupid and immoral idea but no we have to be shown by the cold hard truth of the reality of the thing.
GOD DAMN IT! THIS STUPID SHIT MAKES ME SO PISSED OFF! WHAT A BUNCH OF IGNORANT FUCKS SOME PEOPLE ARE!
El Supremo
(20,365 posts)We are a lot better at killing people with them.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)She defied an order by the state Supreme Court to halt executions.
struggle4progress
(118,278 posts)especially because the dosage of midazolam specified in Oklahoma's protocol is much smaller than that used by Florida. Oklahoma has thus far provided no indication that medical professionals were consulted about the method ... "This combination of drugs has been used in a handful of executions in Florida and has raised questions because midazolam is not an anesthetic drug and it is therefore unclear whether it will adequately anesthetize a prisoner prior to the second and third drugs, which will unquestionably cause pain and suffering in an inadequately anesthetized person," Cohen said. She said the protocol "carries a substantial risk that the condemned prisoner will suffer a lingering and torturous death from suffocation, due to the effects of both midazolam and pancuronium bromide" ...
Oklahoma reveals drugs it will use in executions
By Associated Press
Published: 17:45 EST, 1 April 2014
Updated: 17:45 EST, 1 April 2014
Jgarrick
(521 posts)Fearless
(18,421 posts)This story, or death penalty proponents on DU.
Jake Stern
(3,145 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)their justifications of something I find simply abhorrent.
thefool_wa
(1,867 posts)As a result of being executed....oh no!!!
BlueStater
(7,596 posts)But then so did his victim, who he shot and buried ALIVE. While I don't think his execution should have gone like this, I'm definitely not going to cry any tears for him.
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)Glimmer of Hope
(5,823 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Gandhi was correct.
unreadierLizard
(475 posts)Lockett shot Neiman twice with a shotgun before having an accomplice, Shawn Mathis, bury her alive.
Warner, 46, was sentenced to death for the rape and murder of his live-in girlfriend's baby daughter, Adriana Waller, in 1997 in Oklahoma County.
Read the second part.
It's hard for me to muster up sympathy for a baby rapist and murderer.
BABY
RAPIST
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Maybe the politicians allowing this should be asked to sample it and decide if it is cruel and unusual punishment.
raptor_rider
(1,014 posts)Executing a prisoner for the worst crimes to commit against another human being is horrible. However, when Michael Vick was caught in his pit bull dog fighting ring, a lot of you who oppose the DP were calling for him to be put in the fighting ring with the dogs to fight to his death. This is pot calling the kettle black you all. Damn, might get my first deleted post here, or even banned for this comment. However, take a look at what you all are saying.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)I don't believe that I, myself, could ever witness an execution. However, I could understand a condemned inmate wanting to have a family member(s) in the death chamber. I might also understand a family member of a victim wanting to be present.
I can only imagine the horror and long-term effect that witnessing something like this could do to any witnesses. And yes, I know and understand that the warden had the curtains pulled at a point in time when things were going wrong. But having the curtain drawn probably only increased the anxiety for the witnesses as they would have known that something was wrong and would have been wondering what was going on that they could not see.
They may have been prepared to witness an execution; they may not have been prepared to witness 16 minutes of a nightmare.
geomon666
(7,512 posts)That should be the headline. Botched execution my ass.
Beacool
(30,247 posts)On the other hand, this is a man who shot a 19 year old girl and watched his buddies bury her alive. She too had a terrible death.
Sometimes karma is a bi***.
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Democracyinkind
(4,015 posts)What is realy disheartening is your comparison, it seems your idea of justice consists of timing executions to the severity of the crime.
You are advocating for torture as vengeance. That has nothing to do with justice, and it doesn't befit a civilized country.
cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I don't get how people can claim to be "pro-life" and support the death penalty. Jesus would weep.