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wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:04 PM May 2014

The Great Smartphone War

This discussion thread was locked as off-topic by greatauntoftriplets (a host of the Latest Breaking News forum).

Source: huffington Post

On August 4, 2010, amid the bustle of downtown Seoul, a small group of executives from Apple Inc. pushed through the revolving door into a blue-tinted, 44-story glass tower, ready to fire the first shot in what would become one of the bloodiest corporate wars in history. The showdown had been brewing since spring, when Samsung launched the Galaxy S, a new entry into the smartphone market. Apple had snagged one early overseas and gave it to the iPhone team at its Cupertino, California, headquarters. The designers studied it with growing disbelief. The Galaxy S, they thought, was pure piracy. The overall appearance of the phone, the screen, the icons, even the box looked the same as the iPhone’s. Patented features such as “rubber-banding,” in which a screen image bounces slightly when a user tries to scroll past the bottom, were identical. Same with “pinch to zoom,” which allows users to manipulate image size by pinching the thumb and forefinger together on the screen. And on and on.

Steve Jobs, Apple’s mercurial chief executive, was furious. His teams had toiled for years creating a breakthrough phone, and now, Jobs fumed, a competitor—an Apple supplier no less!—had stolen the design and many features. Jobs and Tim Cook, his chief operating officer, had spoken with Samsung president Jay Y. Lee in July to express their concern about the similarities of the two phones but received no satisfactory response.

Read more: http://www.vanityfair.com/business/2014/06/apple-samsung-smartphone-patent-war.print



for all you samsung fans read about a really scummy company filled with thieves. I will never buy one of their products. Go ahead and defend them.
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The Great Smartphone War (Original Post) wilt the stilt May 2014 OP
It is a phone. Kurska May 2014 #1
So, me "lifting" your $1billion idea wouldn't bother you? DetlefK May 2014 #10
Gee, HOW much competitor content and design did Apple steal? Dreamer Tatum May 2014 #12
In other words, if you're making enough money it's okay to steal from you. brooklynite May 2014 #17
I just can't get worked up over billionaires screwing each other. Xithras May 2014 #2
I had an idea stolen by a large corporation years ago. LiberalArkie May 2014 #3
How is this Late Breaking News? ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #4
Defend them? Okay. "They're not Apple and they're half the price." lumberjack_jeff May 2014 #5
About the same price now, actually. (nt) Control-Z May 2014 #9
the lawyers are not the thieves wilt the stilt May 2014 #13
So your lower price by theft is ok with you... dbackjon May 2014 #20
I don't own a 'smart phone' yet, but when I get one it'll be an APPLE…. Tikki May 2014 #6
Good for you? ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #7
google "Foxconn" and "suicide" DetlefK May 2014 #14
Multi-billion dollar companies Kelvin Mace May 2014 #8
they did it to multiple companies wilt the stilt May 2014 #15
I will give a shit when Apple repatriates and pays tax on its earnings. Dreamer Tatum May 2014 #11
Read the article dbackjon May 2014 #21
I won't buy them, or Apple. I use my dumb cell phone maybe forty times a year, tops. MADem May 2014 #16
they did this shit too multiple companies wilt the stilt May 2014 #19
All the device vendors are the same JustAnotherGen May 2014 #18
In the 1990's and 2000's several shitty patents were issued cosmicone May 2014 #22
Sorry, but we're locking this because it's a feature and not late breaking news. greatauntoftriplets May 2014 #23

Kurska

(5,739 posts)
1. It is a phone.
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:14 PM
May 2014

Essentially just a modern day techno-toy, used as a distraction device by the majority of the public. If one billion dollar corporation lifting ideas from another billion dollar corporation truly bothers you that much, I'd suggest refocusing on the real problems in the world.

Interesting read though.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
10. So, me "lifting" your $1billion idea wouldn't bother you?
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:40 PM
May 2014

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
12. Gee, HOW much competitor content and design did Apple steal?
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:43 PM
May 2014

Yeah, a LOT.

brooklynite

(94,483 posts)
17. In other words, if you're making enough money it's okay to steal from you.
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:47 PM
May 2014

Solid legal thinking.

Xithras

(16,191 posts)
2. I just can't get worked up over billionaires screwing each other.
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:18 PM
May 2014

None of these companies are actually "worth" defending. Pick your technology based on what works best for you.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
3. I had an idea stolen by a large corporation years ago.
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:27 PM
May 2014

If Apple had done the iPhone a few years earlier then Samsung would have won and there would not be an Apple today. GM, Ford, Microsoft and IBM had a history of stealing ideas and putting the small upstarts out of business. Samsung and Google thought they could do the same thing. Just business as usual. That is why Jobs said when he introduced the iPhone that is is heavily patented. They guys in the audience roared in applause, because they understood what the other companies were going to try.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
4. How is this Late Breaking News?
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:27 PM
May 2014

And your source says Huffington Post and your link is Vanity Fair.

 

lumberjack_jeff

(33,224 posts)
5. Defend them? Okay. "They're not Apple and they're half the price."
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:32 PM
May 2014

That's all I need to know.

The thieves are the lawyers.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
9. About the same price now, actually. (nt)
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:39 PM
May 2014
 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
13. the lawyers are not the thieves
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:43 PM
May 2014

you just don't know.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
20. So your lower price by theft is ok with you...
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:56 PM
May 2014

Tikki

(14,556 posts)
6. I don't own a 'smart phone' yet, but when I get one it'll be an APPLE….
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:36 PM
May 2014


That is how it works for me.


Tikki

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
7. Good for you?
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:37 PM
May 2014

It' a phone, you talk to people on it and check messages. It's not a life altering decision.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
14. google "Foxconn" and "suicide"
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:43 PM
May 2014
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
8. Multi-billion dollar companies
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:38 PM
May 2014

rat-fucking each other.

Am I supposed to be outraged?

And like Steve Jobs has any right to be indignant about people stealing shit from him?

 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
15. they did it to multiple companies
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:45 PM
May 2014

and took 10,000 Pioneer employees out. you defend this shit.

Dreamer Tatum

(10,926 posts)
11. I will give a shit when Apple repatriates and pays tax on its earnings.
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:41 PM
May 2014

Until then, fuck Apple, fuck its fucking slavish acolytes, and viva Samsung.

I hope that is clear enough.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
21. Read the article
Tue May 6, 2014, 01:00 PM
May 2014

YOu can still say fuck Apple, but anyone that says viva Samsung, hasn't a clue.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. I won't buy them, or Apple. I use my dumb cell phone maybe forty times a year, tops.
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:47 PM
May 2014

I thank Carlos Slim for enabling me to have a stupidphone that can take pictures, take a few minutes of video, text, and talk...all for a hundred bucks a year.

A pair of jerks engaged in a billion dollar battle...and who pays the bill? Who's paying all these legal fees?

No one can claim a total victory in the global litigation wars. In South Korea, a court ruled that Apple had infringed two Samsung patents, while Samsung had violated one of Apple’s. In Tokyo, a court rejected an Apple patent claim and ordered it to pay Samsung’s court costs. In Germany, a court ordered a direct sales ban on the Galaxy Tab 10.1, ruling that it too closely resembled Apple’s iPad 2. In Britain, a court ruled in favor of Samsung, declaring that its tablets were “not as cool” as the iPad, and unlikely to confuse consumers. A California jury found that Samsung had violated Apple patents for the iPhone and iPad, awarding more than a billion dollars in damages—an amount that the judge later ruled had been miscalculated by the jury. In the debate over setting the damages, a Samsung lawyer said they were not disputing that the company had indeed taken “some elements of Apple’s property.”


They tack those lawyer bills on the price of the devices!

 

wilt the stilt

(4,528 posts)
19. they did this shit too multiple companies
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:55 PM
May 2014

and took 10,00 employees of Pioneer out. you defend that.respect intellectual property.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
18. All the device vendors are the same
Tue May 6, 2014, 12:51 PM
May 2014

I come from the p.o.v. of a device launch expert a few years back - who launched 57 hand sets in 23 months.

Look - they all laugh about how your kids are becoming thumb dominant. They all use slave labor. They all overcharge for their products.

Every last one of them.

No one is good or bad - they are just trying to hold onto their business model.

In a sharp twist/turn of events - your phone is now only as good as the apps you can run on them - regardless of which manufacturer you are.

Just don't buy this 'good guys vs bad guys' nonsense.

I repeat - they all are laughing at the consumer because the consumers are ALLOWING them to make your kids thumb dominant.

Keep calm and give your kids a paintbrush, markers, a hammer, a book . . .

 

cosmicone

(11,014 posts)
22. In the 1990's and 2000's several shitty patents were issued
Tue May 6, 2014, 01:12 PM
May 2014

on something that was common sense and used by many in the industry.

The GUI was an invention of Digital Research that Apple stole. The mouse was an invention of Xerox that Apple stole.

Some patents like "one click shopping" issued to Amazon were not real inventions but as stupid as "use a fork with your left hand to grab meat and cut a bite-size piece with a knife in left hand prior to inserting said fork in one's mouth"

The technology was new and there were not enough savvy patent examiners so many of the patents issued to tech companies were essentially for stuff that everyone in the tech industry was doing at the time.

Apple deliberately killed Adobe Flash to push their own software and Apple tightly controls the apps that go on their devices in order to create a monopoly.

I hate monopolies and thank spaghetti monster for Samsung.

I bought a Samsung Galaxy S5 three weeks ago and it is amazing! Viva Samsung.

greatauntoftriplets

(175,729 posts)
23. Sorry, but we're locking this because it's a feature and not late breaking news.
Tue May 6, 2014, 01:14 PM
May 2014

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