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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed May 7, 2014, 12:54 PM May 2014

High School Seniors in U.S. Fail to Show Reading, Math Progress

Source: Bloomberg

By Janet Lorin May 7, 2014 10:00 AM ET

U.S. high school seniors, whose school years have encompassed the sweeping education initiatives of two presidents, failed to demonstrate improvement in math or reading on a national exam.

Only 38 percent of those tested in 2013 scored as proficient readers on the National Assessment of Educational Progress, known as the “Nation’s Report Card,” released today by the Education Department. Three-quarters failed to show math proficiency. The scores were little changed from 2009, when the test was last given.

“Stagnation is unacceptable,” David Driscoll, chairman of the board that administers the test, said in a statement. “Achievement at this very critical point in a student’s life must be improved to ensure success after high school.”

The seniors were in the first grade when President George W. Bush signed No Child Left Behind into law. The program called for schools to demonstrate yearly progress and to show that all students are proficient on state standardized tests by 2014. Most states have received waivers under President Barack Obama, whose Race to the Top program has pledged $4.35 billion in state grants in four years to boost education standards.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-05-07/high-school-seniors-in-u-s-fail-to-show-reading-math-progress.html

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High School Seniors in U.S. Fail to Show Reading, Math Progress (Original Post) Purveyor May 2014 OP
I dread what it will be a like a few generations from now... yuiyoshida May 2014 #1
Our country is investing the money joeglow3 May 2014 #2
When students can not find CANADA yuiyoshida May 2014 #4
I am not asking what the effect is joeglow3 May 2014 #5
No because whats happening now... yuiyoshida May 2014 #6
What? Make shit up much? joeglow3 May 2014 #7
I would guess you don't much care for any answer yuiyoshida May 2014 #9
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #11
Maybe you haven't noticed..... yuiyoshida May 2014 #21
I'm not sure your are right... Blue Idaho May 2014 #10
Our poor performance is not a recent phenomenon joeglow3 May 2014 #12
You will get no argument from me! Blue Idaho May 2014 #15
Three-quarters failed to show math proficiency. Are you blaming that all on lunasun May 2014 #22
Possibly - Yes... Blue Idaho May 2014 #25
Dept of Education for some of the facts listed lunasun May 2014 #28
No no no... Blue Idaho May 2014 #29
I tend to agree. Anecdotally, I have two MissB May 2014 #26
Quit treating smart people like they have the plague? FrodosPet May 2014 #14
Good point. ForgoTheConsequence May 2014 #18
Turn off the TV. Invest in the children's families' educations. JDPriestly May 2014 #16
"Biology can in some cases play a role too." Are you talking about Down's syndrome? lunasun May 2014 #23
Yes. And other serious learning disabilities. I'm not saying that people with learning JDPriestly May 2014 #24
Our education system is cookie cutter. It is not designed for people who learn differently. liberal_at_heart May 2014 #34
Precisely. And the standardized tests that No Child Left Behind imposed on our schools and our JDPriestly May 2014 #35
agree 100% about turning off the TV.... mike_c May 2014 #27
I beg to differ... SoonerShankle May 2014 #17
Ever see "Idiocracy?" Brigid May 2014 #30
Amazing....I had yuiyoshida May 2014 #36
Our President deserves a D- on Education and Duncan should be fired. Blue Idaho May 2014 #3
Since the test was conceived in 1964 and given since the early 1970s, the question is rather ... frazzled May 2014 #8
American Ingenuity and Entrepreneurial Success Is Not and Never Has Been... SoonerShankle May 2014 #19
Who said it did? /nt frazzled May 2014 #20
Have we tried cutting the budgets and firing teachers? Orsino May 2014 #13
I think we have our thread winner here. Brigid May 2014 #31
The schools reflect the country. There's no progress made by this country to educate well, either. ancianita May 2014 #32
So how did that charter school revolution of the last 10 years work out for us? /nt Ash_F May 2014 #33

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
1. I dread what it will be a like a few generations from now...
Wed May 7, 2014, 12:56 PM
May 2014

Thankfully there will be a few other countries willing to lead the way into the future... because they did not fail their educational system.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
2. Our country is investing the money
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:16 PM
May 2014

We spend more than any other nation, per pupil. Our teachers are well above the international average for compensation.

The one area, in regards to investing, that we fail is post-high school. But that is not associated with this study. What more can we do?

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
5. I am not asking what the effect is
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:27 PM
May 2014

I am asking what the CAUSE is. I am not interested in treating the symptom. I want to find the cure. It has been implied the cure is spending more money. I simply pointed out if money was the answer, that doesn't explain how we can spend so much more and do so much worse. That leads me to believe the answer is something OTHER than more money.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
7. What? Make shit up much?
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:33 PM
May 2014

I am saying the evidence seems to suggest the issue is not about money being spent. If that is true, then spending more money directly on education will not solve the problem and provide us with a better future. Thus, I am interested in if you truly believe that is that answer.

Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #9)

yuiyoshida

(41,818 posts)
21. Maybe you haven't noticed.....
Wed May 7, 2014, 04:11 PM
May 2014

I don't have a dick. Why don't you leave your sexist remarks out of the post??? There is no room for them on DU.

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
10. I'm not sure your are right...
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:45 PM
May 2014

You need to look at where money is spent, who controls it, and what its being spent on. More and more money is being handed over to for-profit companies to run charter schools and manage standardized tests. What we are seeing now is the failure of that capitalist solution to education. Many of the charter schools are under performing good old public schools and vast sums of money and time is being invested in testing. Where is ti coming from? Its being pulled out of the resources needed for day to day classroom instruction in every school in every community in America.

You don't believe me - ask a few classroom teachers in your town. They are struggling to meed unfunded mandates on less money than they have seen in years.

Better yet - read one of the many articles or books by Diane Ravitch.

 

joeglow3

(6,228 posts)
12. Our poor performance is not a recent phenomenon
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:07 PM
May 2014

Don't get me wrong, those things are going on and do have detrimental impacts. That said, many of our current issues pre-date this out-sourcing.

Now, I won't claim to be an expert. However, I have many friends/acquaintances who are teachers and I tend to hear one common theme - many/most of the poor performing students have difficult living situations that prevent just about all attempts to convey a good education from being successful. I truly believe the solution will not be found in the classroom, but at the home (said differently, our schools are doing just fine - it is the home that is driving the problems).

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
15. You will get no argument from me!
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:20 PM
May 2014

Students at any age can not be expected to perform successfully if they are living in a chaotic, unsupportive, or violent environment. The level of poverty in a students life may be one of the best indicators of student success or its lack.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
22. Three-quarters failed to show math proficiency. Are you blaming that all on
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:26 PM
May 2014

"difficult living situations " ???????

&quot said differently, our schools are doing just fine - it is the home that is driving the problems).""


Ok if that is what you think but as someone said above, teens educated in public schools recently can not find Canada on a map, so is it a " family problem "?

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
25. Possibly - Yes...
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:44 PM
May 2014

If no one in the house places any importance on learning and shows no interest in their kids activities during the school day then possibly yes. I have met young people who describe their parents attitudes towards education as positively hostile and I know they aren't making it up. If you were told learning was a waste of time at home then just how hard would you work in school? Personally, I am always just a little skeptical about claims like the one stated above. What percent of teens failed to find Canada? Where is the sample taken from? how big is the sample? What was the format of questions being asked? Maybe I missed all that but again - that anecdotal sounding information seems to fall into the "What's the matter with kids these days..." category.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
28. Dept of Education for some of the facts listed
Wed May 7, 2014, 10:23 PM
May 2014

Only 38 percent of those tested in 2013 scored as proficient readers on the National Assessment of Educational Progress, known as the “Nation’s Report Card,” released today by the Education Department.

Three-quarters failed to show math proficiency.

So possibly 75% of homes are hostile to math, or school in general?

MissB

(15,803 posts)
26. I tend to agree. Anecdotally, I have two
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:59 PM
May 2014

kids in high school. They -and many of their schoolmates - are high achieving. We live in an area with a median income of about $200k.

When kids are fed, rested and not stressed - and when parents care about education - you can pretty much predict the results.

Our district can maintain their teaching approach regardless of the national efforts (no child left behind) because it is kinda easy to educate a group of happy and willing kids. My kids didn't have to learn to the test.

Raise everyone's standard of living, get a more educated populace.

FrodosPet

(5,169 posts)
14. Quit treating smart people like they have the plague?
Wed May 7, 2014, 02:30 PM
May 2014

Even back in the 1970s, if you got a reputation as an egghead, your existence was lonely and unpleasant. I learned early in school, never raise your hand if you know the answer. All you are going to get is dirty looks.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,867 posts)
18. Good point.
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:28 PM
May 2014

Intelligent people aren't well regarded in some parts of this country. When only 30 percent of your population believes global warming is a problem and 80 percent believe angels are real.....well there's your problem........I have listened to ignorant people arguing with scientists over things like global warming and they always drop the "well that's just what they taught you in school!" bomb. A large chunk of this country is ignorant and proud of it, I'm not sure what policy measures can fix that.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
16. Turn off the TV. Invest in the children's families' educations.
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:23 PM
May 2014

Our TV is anti-intellectual, anti-learning, anti-questioning, quick and easy, entertaining with tiny drops of information, some of it downright wrong.

Our news programs are about opinion, not information. Our media sells misinformation and absurd fairy tales even to adults.

The schools are tuned to the lowest common denominator in terms of challenge.

Whenever possible, we need to reward good students by putting them in classes with other good students in which the standard of achievement is high. Every child needs a challenge. Return to the subjects to be mastered the areas of art and music and hire teachers trained in those fields to teach them. Same for science and math. Bring special teachers into the classrooms to travel and teach those subjects. Reading should be taught by the main classroom teacher who should coordinate reading with music, art, math, science, etc.

The intelligence and creativity of the child begins when the child is just hours old. We are learning from the moment of birth.

The foundation for later learning is established before a child is three years old. Count with babies. Talk a lot to babies. Read lots of books to babies. That's how you get a good student at high school graduation.

That's why the children of upper middle class, educated parents tend to do better on the average than children from homes in which there is a constant struggle, maybe alcoholism, unemployment, parents who are depressed and needing help themselves. Biology can in some cases play a role too. We don't have adequate information about that.

And then there is the community. Kids need to have positive learning experiences outside of school. Sports are fun. But when the biggest heroes on the high school campus are the football team players and being nerdy, studious or downright intellectual is ridiculed, kids are not going to study very hard. Beginning at about age 12, acceptance and respect from people in your age group, your peers with regard to age, are important. Parents don't help when they make a huge fuss over those admittedly fun things like proms and hairdos and belonging to the football team.

But the thing that we can really work on is improving our media and the quality, complexity and intellectual challenge that we get from the information that our TV, radio and the internet.

Our media is designed to get the most ads in within the shortest time. That means that we get very little in-depth reporting and very few really intelligent, informative shows about complex issues.

Our media is next to worthless. And our children watch it, listen to it and learn very little from it. Rush Limbaugh??? Fox News??? If that is what America's adults are listening to and watching, that's what America's children are listening to and watching. So we get what we pay for. Thanks advertisers.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
24. Yes. And other serious learning disabilities. I'm not saying that people with learning
Wed May 7, 2014, 05:38 PM
May 2014

disabilities do not learn. They certainly do in most cases. But they are not going to perform in the upper 30%, to pick a figure at random, on national tests in most cases. On the other hand, I think that we could do a lot more to improve the learning of most people with disabilities if we invested in the research to do it.

I had a vision impairment, a serious one, from birth. That slowed me down in grade school until they finally figured out what was wrong. The teachers taught with flash cards back then. I thought that arithmetic was a guessing game. As far as I knew, the arithmetic flash cards were all white. I couldn't see any numbers on them. That affected my performance in arithmetic as you can well imagine. Turning off the TV and reading books. That's elementary.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
34. Our education system is cookie cutter. It is not designed for people who learn differently.
Thu May 8, 2014, 02:39 PM
May 2014

My son has autism. He is incredibly bright. His favorite shows are Outrageous Acts of Science, Brain Games, and Myth Busters. We have wonderful discussions about science during these shows and we just got him a great app on his iPad that shows the cosmos. He understands the concepts. I think he could be a chemist or an astronomer. And yet he has a C in Science class. Until we start treating our children like individuals we will never truly improve our education system.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
35. Precisely. And the standardized tests that No Child Left Behind imposed on our schools and our
Thu May 8, 2014, 03:44 PM
May 2014

teachers need to go. I have a nephew who became so anxious about those tests. The tests are counterproductive.

mike_c

(36,269 posts)
27. agree 100% about turning off the TV....
Wed May 7, 2014, 06:58 PM
May 2014

Not only does that limit the anti-intellectualism and least-challenging approach to content, but it also frees up HOURS in a typical kid's day for mentally and socially challenging pursuits that stimulate intellectual development and maturation.

SoonerShankle

(322 posts)
17. I beg to differ...
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:24 PM
May 2014
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jack-jennings/teacher-pay-us-ranks-22nd_b_940814.html

Teachers is the U.S. rank 22nd of 27 countries when you look at teacher pay relative to other positions requiring a degree. We are NOT investing our money into education in this country.

I'm not surprised to see stagnant student growth on a test that is not taught in schools after years of cuts in the classrooms and demoralization of teachers. Just six years ago teachers had higher morale than in 30 years. Now they are at a 30 year low--only 38% job satisfaction rate. Layoffs don't just hurt those who lose their jobs--it is an injury to all.

Blue Idaho

(5,038 posts)
3. Our President deserves a D- on Education and Duncan should be fired.
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:21 PM
May 2014

It should be obvious by now that corporate run standardized tests and unfunded mandates are gutting our educational system.

No Child Left Behind is rapidly leaving America's youth and its future in the dust.

Shameful.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
8. Since the test was conceived in 1964 and given since the early 1970s, the question is rather ...
Wed May 7, 2014, 01:37 PM
May 2014

Has anything changed since 1964?

NAEP has statistics on long-term trends, beginning in 1973, and some claims have been made:

The NAEP long-term trend assessments have monitored student progress in reading and mathematics for nationally representative samples of 9-, 13-, and 17-year-olds since the early 1970s. Results from the 2012 assessments show the following:

Compared to the first assessment in 1971 for reading and in 1973 for mathematics, scores were higher in 2012 for 9- and 13-year-olds and not significantly different for 17-year-olds.

In both reading and mathematics at all three ages, Black students made larger gains from the early 1970s than White students.

Hispanic students made larger gains from the 1970s than White students in reading at all three ages and in mathematics at ages 13 and 17.

Female students have consistently outscored male students in reading at all three ages, but the gender gap narrowed from 1971 to 2012 at age 9.

At ages 9 and 13, the scores of male and female students were not significantly different in mathematics, but the gender gap in mathematics for 17-year-olds narrowed in comparison to 1973.


http://nationsreportcard.gov/ltt_2012/


For actual score changes in reading and math from 1973 to 2012, see charts at:

http://nationsreportcard.gov/ltt_2012/summary.aspx


One thing I have seen talked about across the decades (and confirmed here) is how gains are made in lower grades but not sustained by high school. That should be the real task. Achievement gaps are tightened when kids are young, but these gains are not sustained later. There's some big sociological stuff to be said, for sure, about that ...

SoonerShankle

(322 posts)
19. American Ingenuity and Entrepreneurial Success Is Not and Never Has Been...
Wed May 7, 2014, 03:59 PM
May 2014

...reflected in the Nation's test scores.

Dr. Yong Zhao of Michigan State University has a wealth of data supporting the notion that creative thinkers are not necessarily the best test takers. He cites that the USSR tested tops in the 60's while we put a man on the moon.

http://zhaolearning.com/

ancianita

(35,933 posts)
32. The schools reflect the country. There's no progress made by this country to educate well, either.
Thu May 8, 2014, 12:38 PM
May 2014

Seniors reflect what the public and their leaders want to spend on them. This country can afford the public schools it wants to afford, so now it gets what it pays for.

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