11-Year-Old Shoots Grandmother After Getting Into Trouble at School
Source: The Root
An 11-year-old Oklahoma boy came home to his grandmother's Tulsa apartment with a bad progress report from his school. He gave his grandmother the report and while she sat reading, authorities say he went to her room, grabbed a .22-caliber gun, before returning and shooting her in the back of the head.
"All I saw was a big bang of a flash and heard it, and I knew I was shot in the back of my head," the grandmother, Annie Mougell-Walker told local station KOTV, after being treated at a local hospital.
While Mougell-Walker, 42, was able to return home the same day of the shooting Monday wearing a neck brace, the bullet remained logged in her head, the New York Daily News reports.
Her grandchild was arrested and charged with shooting with intent to kill, police told the Daily News.
Read more: http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2014/05/_11_year_old_shoots_grandmother_after_getting_in_trouble_in_school.html
barbtries
(28,787 posts)there could not have been this tragedy.
ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)that would shoot that kid's bullet out of the air.
WHERE THE HELL DOES A 11 YEAR OLD GET A GUN? Don't they have gun safes in that state? Or did the NRA outlaw those as being against the 2nd amendment?
What a sick country this is becoming.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)If not this
then at least this
callous taoboy
(4,584 posts)A kid in my class shot and killed his mom with a .22 after he got in trouble for his report card.
TeamPooka
(24,221 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)good shoot gun fetishists?
Omaha Steve
(99,593 posts)She forgot to be responsible and should have had a trigger lock. It is her OWN fault.
NickB79
(19,233 posts)And while the article doesn't say, I'd wager the gun was already loaded when the boy grabbed it. It WAS irresponsible of her to leave a gun and it's ammunition within easy access of a child. But that doesn't absolve the boy of responsibility for attempting to murder his own grandmother.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)Gun locks only work when the weapon is UNLOADED, if the weapon is loaded the pressure locking or unlocking the trigger lock can set them off. The better solution is to remove the bolt and keep the bolt in another location, away from the rest of the firearm AND any ammunition.
NickB79
(19,233 posts)I keep my guns unloaded, with trigger locks in place. The ammo is stored in locked ammo boxes. I even store my air rifles the same way.
Who in their right mind would put a trigger lock on a LOADED gun?
armed_and_liberal
(246 posts)When my kids were young that is what I did. We still do with just my wife and I. Just plain common sense that I learned from my Dad and he from his.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)On some guns, the absence of bolts affects the trigger, i.e. you can NOT lock it down. Bolts are kept is a separate location. That is HOW I was taught to store weapons, it is also the way the Military store weapons. Trigger locks are a waste of money if you store weapons properly (i.e. NO BOLTS in the weapons).
When I was in the National Guard, every time we wanted to use our M16s and M60s, we had to drive about five miles to the nearest Police Station, for that is where the bolts were stored when the armory was unmanned. The Rifles were kept in a Steel reinforced concrete room with a solid steel door, but the bolts, except when someone was in the Armory and was about to issue firearms, were kept elsewhere.
Now, my old First Sargent talked about his old armory. The Feds had fits with it, it did not meet modern requirements for storage of weapons, it had 12-16 feet of solid oak walls as opposed to the Steel Reinforced Concrete walls required by the Feds today. The Federal inspectors would object, my First Sargent would appeal and on review it was determined the solid oak walls were harder to break down then would be a Steel Reinforced concrete wall. i.e. the solid oak walls were better then a what the Federal Government required.
Back to trigger locks. The better option is to remove the bolts, which is NOT hard on most firearms. The major exception would be revolvers and single shot weapons (Which includes double barrel shotguns) these weapons do NOT have bolts and thus best stored broken down (On most shotguns I have owned, single shots and double barreled, it was easy to break down the weapon into two parts). I have no knowledge on revolvers, the only pistol I have ever used was a M1911 automatic which had a bolt, thus in the case of Revolvers it may be harder to break them down, but removing the cylinder would be more effective then installing a trigger lock.
Sorry, I just can NOT see the advantages of a Trigger lock, given that all of them work depending on some metal near or in direct contact with the trigger. I was always taught to treat all weapons as if loaded, and thus a trigger lock can NEVER be installed, for all weapons are to be treated as loaded and if a weapon is loaded trigger locks are unsafe.
When I was a Child, I could find my father's guns, but never the bolts and never the ammunition. Bolts and Ammunition can be hidden and stored in places where a child can not search. Rifles and Shotguns are much larger and thus harder to hide from Children. I also knew that if my parents found me with the rifles and shotguns I would be punished (Slowed me down a little bit, but not much). The fact that I (as a child) could NOT find the bolts and the ammunition was the key to safely storing weapons.
Trigger locks encourage unsafe storage of weapons. i.e. weapons stored with bolts or in one piece. That is my biggest problem with Trigger locks along with the fact that ALL weapons are to be treated as loaded and Trigger Locks are NEVER To go on a LOADED weapon. Trigger locks thus permit people to think of weapons as unloaded, a concept I reject as unsafe.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)That is how I was taught, i.e. to treat any weapon if it was loaded, thus installing a trigger lock requires it to be installed on a weapon I am presuming to be LOADED. That is the problem with Trigger locks, they require someone to violate the number one safety rule when it comes to firearms, that is to treat ALL WEAPONS AS IF THEY WERE LOADED. Thus you install a trigger lock on a weapon, you must find that the weapon is unloaded, and thus you are already violating the first rule of safe firearms (i.e. you are NOT treating the weapon as if it was loaded).
In simple terms, the presumption behind trigger locks is that you can make sure a weapon is unloaded when you install a trigger lock, but that presumption is a violation of the first rule of gun safety, that is to treat all weapons as if they were loaded.
ManiacJoe
(10,136 posts)Cable locks are far superior to trigger locks. Of course, a safe is better yet.
AnneD
(15,774 posts)is a 4 letter word but it isn't guns.
onehandle
(51,122 posts)UpInArms
(51,282 posts)ChairmanAgnostic
(28,017 posts)progressoid
(49,983 posts)Mosby
(16,299 posts)would have to have been 15 and a half when they gave birth.
Or one was older and the other younger.
happyslug
(14,779 posts)I started to feel old, when I turn 35 and a client of mine came into my office and told me he was a 35 year old GRANDFATHER. It is possible.
UpInArms
(51,282 posts)but the grandson is 11 - so she was a grandmother at 31
mighty young to be parenting and grandparenting - just sayin'
Ghost Dog
(16,881 posts)( Hi UiA )
UpInArms
(51,282 posts)Good to "see" you, Ghost Dog
mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)how is it that the 11-year-old HAD ACCESS TO YOUR GUN?
SoCalMusicLover
(3,194 posts)You will NEVER EVER EVER get gun freaks to understand that their own gun is FAAAAAAR more likely to cause harm to them or someone they know, rather than a criminal.
I get a twinkle whenever I read a story like this, thinking that maybe this time might change someone's mind about the usefulness of having guns, but clearly it won't. I bet this grandma will still want her weapon and she feels safer in her home with it.
I'm sure she forgives her grandson also. Next time perhaps he will be older, more skilled, and have a better shot. She's still alive, so obviously he wasn't doing something right. Get with the times kid, the goal is to shoot and kill, not to shoot and injure.
Edit To Add: Upon reading the article, I see that the problem was with the bullets used in the gun. So it is she that needs to be a better gun owner. What good is a loaded weapon, if there are merely small caliber bullets inside? Get some hollow points, like Oscar Pistorius used. Nobody lives through those.
It's ironic, but she's actually responsible for her own survival. A more proficient gun owner would have better bullets, and would be 6 feet under by now.
One_Life_To_Give
(6,036 posts)Would think there is alot more history to this. Millions get bad progress reports but don't feel the need to murder their Grandmothers over it.
valerief
(53,235 posts)Hassin Bin Sober
(26,325 posts)Marthe48
(16,939 posts)Oh man, this whole story is so wrong....