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alp227

(31,994 posts)
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:46 PM May 2014

Harry Reid: ‘I can’t vote for’ Georgia judicial pick Michael Boggs

Source: AJC.com

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, the man who has the most control over what moves and what does not in the U.S. Senate, said he cannot support controversial Georgia judicial nominee Michael Boggs.

The day after Boggs’ contentious hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee, Reid tells Buzzfeed that at this point he is against Boggs’ nomination:

“I’ve not talked to (Judiciary Chairman) Pat Leahy personally. I will do that,” Reid said in an interview with BuzzFeed. “Unless I have a better explanation. I can’t vote for him. This is a lifetime appointment. He’s said some things and made some decisions I think are not very good.” …

Read more: http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2014/05/14/harry-reid-i-cant-vote-for-georgia-judicial-pick-michael-boggs/



More info, from Washington Post:

Boggs, a conservative Democrat, supported keeping the Confederate emblem on the Georgia state flag; supported establishing a “Choice Life” license plate that helped fund antiabortion groups; opposed same-sex marriage; and supported a law that would require parents to accompany their daughters to abortion clinics if the daughter is younger than 18.
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Harry Reid: ‘I can’t vote for’ Georgia judicial pick Michael Boggs (Original Post) alp227 May 2014 OP
Good for you Harry, the right made a deal with Obama that I dont want to live with either randys1 May 2014 #1
Finally billhicks76 May 2014 #25
Obama is a Conservative pure and simple. broadcaster75201 May 2014 #2
There was a deal made with the Georgian Senators Cha May 2014 #19
Obama gets his nominees, and the treacherous GOP loses this one. Okay by me. freshwest May 2014 #31
Yes, fresh.. Good on Obama and Reid! Pres Obama Cha May 2014 #32
Obama has been a great President... raindaddy May 2014 #34
President Obama is a great President. I don't care what the nitpickers have to Cha May 2014 #35
??? You were all about facts..... raindaddy May 2014 #36
Snakes Alive Cheviteau May 2014 #26
I only know what I have read but............. Swede Atlanta May 2014 #3
"Nazi senators"? isn't that over the top? nt alp227 May 2014 #6
no heaven05 May 2014 #8
Only a little dbackjon May 2014 #9
Replace Jews with Muslims Jackpine Radical May 2014 #11
Very true. dbackjon May 2014 #12
The correct term for what they are would be fascist, I believe by definition it would be accurate Dragonfli May 2014 #14
Isakson hides in the herd, but Chambliss is full out, a psychopath. QuestForSense May 2014 #16
This quote is basically fake, and very missleading.... reACTIONary May 2014 #45
Thanks for the elucidation. I've been incorrectly quoting this for 30 years. QuestForSense May 2014 #48
Fascist ideology... reACTIONary May 2014 #46
I don't think so, they have all of these tendancies Dragonfli May 2014 #47
Yes, it is. But not here on DU. Hell, Chambliss is called a RINO now in Ga and so is Isakson 7962 May 2014 #44
Thanks for the explanation, Swede, elleng May 2014 #7
I have read that before.. Cha May 2014 #18
Thank you, Harry. mountain grammy May 2014 #4
And thanks for supporting Republican Activist Billionare Sheldon Anderson. After all, he's from 24601 May 2014 #29
Good, good, good, good, good, good! calimary May 2014 #5
Conservative Democrat = Republican, so what good is Boggs to the 99%? nt valerief May 2014 #10
Well, they do help keep committee chairs in our hands. Jackpine Radical May 2014 #13
Boggs should be fully rejected. Timez Squarez May 2014 #15
Boggs should be rejected and wait another year before filling that seat. yeoman6987 May 2014 #30
Kick for Harry! Cha May 2014 #17
Feinstein, Franken and Blumenthal haven't spoken up as unequivocally as Reid. QuestForSense May 2014 #20
he wasn't completely unequivocal Enrique May 2014 #22
Fair enough. QuestForSense May 2014 #27
Judicial appointments are important and should be taken seriously. /nt Ash_F May 2014 #21
Second post today about a Dem acting like a Republican. Phlem May 2014 #23
Good for you , Harry, I hope... prairierose May 2014 #24
Old Southern Democrat...racist, sexist with a lifetime appointment WhiteTara May 2014 #28
Thank you, Harry! theHandpuppet May 2014 #33
Kick! Cha May 2014 #37
Harry has his moments. BootinUp May 2014 #38
I hope they get enough Senators to block the guy davidpdx May 2014 #39
Good. Boggs is a lousy pick and the President made a bad call. Arkana May 2014 #40
Wow, did I ever mis-read the thread title VWolf May 2014 #41
Obama proving the old adage 'when you lie down with dogs' to be 100% true... truebrit71 May 2014 #42
did you mean "choose life"? "Choice life" sounds like surfer dude slang yurbud May 2014 #43
John Lewis (D-National Treasure) is opposed to Boggs as well KamaAina May 2014 #49

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Good for you Harry, the right made a deal with Obama that I dont want to live with either
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:50 PM
May 2014

The obstruction of Obama has been so violent, so drastic, that I consider the republicans terrorists who are attacking the American government and our president.

They hate this country, they are dangerous animals.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
25. Finally
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:57 PM
May 2014

At last a democrat in a leadership position with some backbone. Don't roll over for these pigs.

broadcaster75201

(387 posts)
2. Obama is a Conservative pure and simple.
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:54 PM
May 2014

He's not a TeaBag. Even they aren't conservative. But he is a Reagan Conservative and a disaster.

And saying "could be worse" is meaningless.

Cha

(296,672 posts)
19. There was a deal made with the Georgian Senators
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:31 PM
May 2014

for Bogg to get them to allow other nominees an up or down vote..

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=803991

Star Member SunSeeker (8,692 posts)

14. As I understand it, the GOP got Boggs as part of a "blue slip" deal.

It was part of a deal that allowed Obama to appoint a bunch of Dems that otherwise would not have been appointed had the GOP fully exercised their right to veto home state nominees. Yes, we let the GOP have this one major douchebag, but it was in exchange for them not blue slipping a bunch of Dem judges.

Tough call.

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4946753

It's not "pure and simple".. because you're ignoring all the progress that has been made during the Obama Admin.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
31. Obama gets his nominees, and the treacherous GOP loses this one. Okay by me.
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:27 PM
May 2014

No use playing by the rules with the Koch brothers and their paid employees, as they don't play by any. Good for Obama and Reid. Obama can take the heat, he always does, even for things that NEVER HAPPEN.

Cha

(296,672 posts)
32. Yes, fresh.. Good on Obama and Reid! Pres Obama
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:30 PM
May 2014

can take the heat and he has people like us to help correct the ignorance that pervades on the internet.

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
34. Obama has been a great President...
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:01 PM
May 2014

when it comes to reaching across the aisle!

He tried to appoint Larry Summers chair of the Fed, remember? What were we going to get for that? And his Dog Food Commission, what were their recommendations again?

And what did the 99% get for extending Bush's tax cuts for the rich? Or keeping Bush conservative lawyers at the DOJ. Or appointing so many corporate and Wall Street conservatives to his administration.....

raindaddy

(1,370 posts)
36. ??? You were all about facts.....
Wed May 14, 2014, 11:10 PM
May 2014

and correcting ignorance a while ago. I guess your definition of nitpicking is... facts you don't particularly like or want to hear.

Cheviteau

(383 posts)
26. Snakes Alive
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:04 PM
May 2014

I'd like to toss you into a cave full of rattlesnakes and count the minutes it would take you to work on being a rattlesnake in order to talk yourself out of the cave without harm.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
3. I only know what I have read but.............
Wed May 14, 2014, 05:58 PM
May 2014

Apparently Obama agreed with the two Georgia Nazi Senators to put this guy forward in order to allow other nominees to get an up or down vote.

As a progressive living in hell in Georgia (but I see light at the end of the tunnel) I support Reid and hopefully other Democrats who will reject this Obama nominee.

The person didn't have a problem with the Confederate Flag. He supported one-man/one-woman marriage. He supported a bill that would have required a public posting of all physicians and clinics that provided abortion services. In testimony he said he didn't realize that would place those individuals' and other lives' in danger.

Frigging idiot. He lives in Georgia the home of Rudolph who bombed both gay clubs and abortion clinics. For him to now say he had no idea.

Reject, reject, reject.

Bubba - go home to mamma, get you some good greasy food and stay out of our lives.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
9. Only a little
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:16 PM
May 2014

But not too far off the mark.

Think Nazi minus the Jewish part of the Concentration camps. but the Gay Concentration camps - these assholes would support

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
14. The correct term for what they are would be fascist, I believe by definition it would be accurate
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:39 PM
May 2014

Many people confuse the word Nazi (one group of fascists) when attempting to describe any fascist they encounter.

Since I believe "fascist" was meant, I do not believe it was over the top, the word has a real meaning and could certainly be said to apply to these men.

QuestForSense

(653 posts)
16. Isakson hides in the herd, but Chambliss is full out, a psychopath.
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:10 PM
May 2014

"Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power."
-- Benito Mussolini

reACTIONary

(5,763 posts)
45. This quote is basically fake, and very missleading....
Sat May 17, 2014, 09:48 PM
May 2014

...Mussolini did not say this, although he did talk about "corporatism". However, the "corporatism" he was referring to is a moderate form of guild socialism or syndicalism. Mussolini was claiming that fascism was in actuality the realization of the goals and ideals of guild socialism / syndicalism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism

http://www.publiceye.org/fascist/corporatism.html

QuestForSense

(653 posts)
48. Thanks for the elucidation. I've been incorrectly quoting this for 30 years.
Mon May 19, 2014, 12:47 AM
May 2014

Last edited Mon May 19, 2014, 01:41 AM - Edit history (1)

According to publiceye.org:

It is generally attributed to an article written by Mussolini in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana with the assistance of Giovanni Gentile, the editor.

The quote, however, does not appear in the Enciclopedia Italiana in the original Italian.

It does not appear in the official English translation of that article: Benito Mussolini, 1935, "The Doctrine of Fascism," Firenze: Vallecchi Editore.

And it does not appear in the longer treatment of the subject by Mussolini in: Benito Mussolini, 1935, "Fascism: Doctrine and Institutions," Rome: 'Ardita' Publishers.

Where the quote comes from remains a mystery, and while it is possible Mussolini said it someplace at some time, a number of researchers have been unable to find it after months of research.

reACTIONary

(5,763 posts)
46. Fascist ideology...
Sat May 17, 2014, 09:56 PM
May 2014

... is explicitly opposed to liberal democracy and openly supportive of authoritarian collectivism. I'm not sure which senators are being identified as "Nazi" or "fascist", but I doubt that any senator could accurately be characterized as fascist in consideration of its real meaning. In my opinion, both characterizations are "over the top".

Dragonfli

(10,622 posts)
47. I don't think so, they have all of these tendancies
Sun May 18, 2014, 12:38 AM
May 2014

Fourteen Defining
Characteristics Of Fascism
By Dr. Lawrence Britt
Source Free Inquiry.co
5-28-3


Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread
domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
44. Yes, it is. But not here on DU. Hell, Chambliss is called a RINO now in Ga and so is Isakson
Thu May 15, 2014, 10:38 PM
May 2014

I see it all the time. Thats how Michelle Nunn is going to take the Senate seat
But its ridiculous how hypocritical so many folks here can be. Blast the right wingers when they say the same things about the Democrats that are said here about GOPers

elleng

(130,644 posts)
7. Thanks for the explanation, Swede,
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:01 PM
May 2014

shedding some light on the decisions Presidents have to make. I support Reid too.

Cha

(296,672 posts)
18. I have read that before..
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:29 PM
May 2014

Star Member SunSeeker (8,692 posts)

14. As I understand it, the GOP got Boggs as part of a "blue slip" deal.

It was part of a deal that allowed Obama to appoint a bunch of Dems that otherwise would not have been appointed had the GOP fully exercised their right to veto home state nominees. Yes, we let the GOP have this one major douchebag, but it was in exchange for them not blue slipping a bunch of Dem judges.

Tough call.

http://sync.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4946753

Thanks Swede Atlanta~

24601

(3,954 posts)
29. And thanks for supporting Republican Activist Billionare Sheldon Anderson. After all, he's from
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:14 PM
May 2014

Nevada, so the money he spends supporting republicans must not help them.

"...he’s OK with Republican billionaire and politically active free-spending Las Vegas casino owner Sheldon Adelson."

"So, Sheldon Adelson, don’t pick on him. He’s not in it to make money.”

"Adelson spent about $150 million in support of Republican candidates and causes during the 2012 elections. At present he is financing an extensive lobbying campaign in Washington and in various states seeking a ban on gambling over the Internet."

Sure, our good buddy republican billionare Sheldon is spending money, but not to make money. He must be spending all that money because of a deep-seated moral aversion to internet gambling...or any other gambling that doesn't enrich casinos.





Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
13. Well, they do help keep committee chairs in our hands.
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:34 PM
May 2014

Also they can sometimes be pressured into voting correctly, what with threats about committee assignments & all.

Other than a few things like that, I agree.

 

Timez Squarez

(262 posts)
15. Boggs should be fully rejected.
Wed May 14, 2014, 06:45 PM
May 2014

And the conservatives in GA are about to lose one of their own, so it will get better in terms of choice.

Boggs should be rejected and wait another year before filling that seat.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
30. Boggs should be rejected and wait another year before filling that seat.
Wed May 14, 2014, 09:21 PM
May 2014

keep in mind that you will also have six seats that don't have a judge for another year as well. The Republicans made a deal to allow the six for this one seat. Tough call but Georgia will survive 7 vacancies I think.

QuestForSense

(653 posts)
20. Feinstein, Franken and Blumenthal haven't spoken up as unequivocally as Reid.
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:45 PM
May 2014

But at yesterday's hearing it seemed fairly apparent their enthusiasm for Boggs is stone cold.

Enrique

(27,461 posts)
22. he wasn't completely unequivocal
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:50 PM
May 2014

this is what Reid said:

“Unless I have a better explanation. I can’t vote for him."

QuestForSense

(653 posts)
27. Fair enough.
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:18 PM
May 2014

I can't imagine him getting any kind of a better explanation from Leahy, but here's hoping he doesn't get it.

Phlem

(6,323 posts)
23. Second post today about a Dem acting like a Republican.
Wed May 14, 2014, 07:52 PM
May 2014

Me wonders how the "Third Way" was formed and why the Democratic party can't push back on Republican Obstructionism?

Hmmmmm........



-p

WhiteTara

(29,692 posts)
28. Old Southern Democrat...racist, sexist with a lifetime appointment
Wed May 14, 2014, 08:19 PM
May 2014

would be bad for our country. Thanks for blocking him, Harry.

Arkana

(24,347 posts)
40. Good. Boggs is a lousy pick and the President made a bad call.
Thu May 15, 2014, 09:49 AM
May 2014

Perhaps a Democratic revolt will show him how bad it was.

That's not the answer some folks here were expecting from someone who normally supports Presidential decisions, I'm sure.

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