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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:18 AM Jul 2014

Palestinian Teen Abducted, Killed In Suspect Revenge Attack

Source: Agence France-Presse

JERUSALEM - Agence France-Presse

A Palestinian teenager from annexed east Jerusalem was kidnapped and killed early July 2 in a suspected act of revenge for the murder of three Israeli youths, army radio reported.

The radio said the youth was seen being forced into a car in the Arab eastern half of the city. His body was found several hours later in another part of the city, the radio said, describing it as a "suspected revenge attack."

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"In the early hours of Wednesday morning, police received a report of a person being forced into a car in Beit Hanina," police spokeswoman Luba Samri told AFP, referring to a well-heeled east Jerusalem neighbourhood.

"Within an hour, a body was found in Jerusalem that has still not been identified. We are looking to see if there is a connection between the two incidents."

Read more: http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/palestinian-teen-abducted-killed-in-suspect-revenge-attack.aspx?pageID=238&nID=68555&NewsCatID=352

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Palestinian Teen Abducted, Killed In Suspect Revenge Attack (Original Post) Purveyor Jul 2014 OP
Golda was right but now we replace "Arabs" with "both sides" and 'Jews" with "enemies." kickysnana Jul 2014 #1
+1000 I couldn't agree with you more. lexx21 Jul 2014 #7
Funny, I thought Arafat said that and it was the reverse. Everyone is blind with revenge and hate. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #14
And false equivalence is here. (Golda was just subtle in expressing her hatred.) The Stranger Jul 2014 #22
Maybe, there is no peace because sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #23
Israel has already arrested Palestinians claiming it was an honor killing azurnoir Jul 2014 #2
Thanks for link. 840high Jul 2014 #6
sorry if this disappoints but that was an apparent false flag azurnoir Jul 2014 #28
Very sad- no honor in honor killings :( Marrah_G Jul 2014 #10
not an honor killing that was a false flag azurnoir Jul 2014 #29
Story not yet published on Haaretz or the Jerusalem Post. R Merm Jul 2014 #12
you're right it is a not true extremest settlers are apparently the perpetrators here azurnoir Jul 2014 #30
has a reputable source carried that story? nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #20
while I wouldn't call the Jewish Press entirely unreliable, it was in this case but it was early on azurnoir Jul 2014 #31
Of course. Because two wrongs VWolf Jul 2014 #3
and around and around it goes heaven05 Jul 2014 #4
I just wonder if the American media nyabingi Jul 2014 #5
CNN has been really atrocious. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2014 #11
They are very open and proud of their bias (nt) nyabingi Jul 2014 #17
We as Americans.. lexx21 Jul 2014 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2014 #9
The biggest difference... Archae Jul 2014 #13
Sure, no one in Israel would celebrate? Pl...eeees. Fred Sanders Jul 2014 #15
I never said that. Archae Jul 2014 #16
and it goes well beyond words Mosby Jul 2014 #19
You need to document this claim sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #27
try googling palestinian prisoners club Mosby Jul 2014 #32
That's one, and its Wikipedia. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #33
When did that become a requirement? rudolph the red Jul 2014 #34
It always has been a requirement sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #36
Well I guess that excludes most posters here rudolph the red Jul 2014 #37
It is required when someone make a statement sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #38
Ok, I'll keep that in mind rudolph the red Jul 2014 #39
That's a lot of money for an impoverished government to pay out. Where is the money coming from? freshwest Jul 2014 #40
Say what? nyabingi Jul 2014 #18
oy. the settlers get away with terrorizing palestinians on a daily basis geek tragedy Jul 2014 #21
In both cases, there will be prosecution Ash_F Jul 2014 #25
That's a pretty gross generalization. sulphurdunn Jul 2014 #26
There's no difference. In both cases teens were kidnapped and murdered Violet_Crumble Jul 2014 #35
Oh, here we go. Ash_F Jul 2014 #24

kickysnana

(3,908 posts)
1. Golda was right but now we replace "Arabs" with "both sides" and 'Jews" with "enemies."
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 02:38 AM
Jul 2014

Israeli Prime Minister Golda Meier once said that "there can be no peace in the Middle East until the Arabs love their children more than they hate the Jews."

From my mouth to God's ear I sure hope that this sad event is what it seems, kids in the wrong place at the wrong time, not planned by either side for political gain.

In all crimes we must ask "who had the motive?" Some might say the Palestinians might but the fixers in Israel also have a huge PR problem with Palestine. Making Palestinians look very, very bad is very much to their advantage right now.

May they all rest in peace. So much senseless death in the world today. We all do know better.

The Stranger

(11,297 posts)
22. And false equivalence is here. (Golda was just subtle in expressing her hatred.)
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 03:52 PM
Jul 2014
http://www.globalresearch.ca/one-palestinian-child-has-been-killed-by-israel-every-3-days-for-the-past-13-years-2/5389498

[quote]Official statistics from the Ministry of Information in Ramallah have revealed that 1,518 Palestinian children were killed by Israel’s occupation forces from the outbreak of the second Intifada in September 2000 up to April 2013. That’s the equivalent of one Palestinian child killed by Israel every 3 days for almost 13 years. The ministry added that the number of children injured by the Israelis since the start of the Second Intifada against Israel’s occupation has now reached 6,000.[/quote]

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
28. sorry if this disappoints but that was an apparent false flag
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:00 PM
Jul 2014
(Israeli) Sources: Revenge most likely motive in teen’s death

Israeli police have become increasingly convinced that 16-year-old Jerusalem resident Mohammed Abu Khdeir was murdered Wednesday morning as revenge for the killing of three kidnapped Israeli teens, officials said Wednesday evening.


Security camera footage from the scene of Abu Khdeir’s kidnapping strengthened investigators’ suspicions that Jewish extremists snatched the teen, Channel 2 reported.

Police are still looking into the possibility of a criminal motive for the attack, or even an honor killing, but sources told Channel 10 that the family has no criminal history.

The sources also said rumors claiming that Abu Khdeir was killed because he was gay, or because he’d had sexual encounters with local girls, are baseless.



http://www.timesofisrael.com/sources-revenge-most-likely-motive-in-teens-death/

R Merm

(405 posts)
12. Story not yet published on Haaretz or the Jerusalem Post.
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jul 2014

I met the founders son once during the first gulf war. He shared inside information concerning the planed response to missile attacks in Israel, that turned out to be untrue. I will wait for this to be reported in a more reliable publication. Who ever did this Arab or Jew needs to be brought to justice soon.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
30. you're right it is a not true extremest settlers are apparently the perpetrators here
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:03 PM
Jul 2014

Israeli police have become increasingly convinced that 16-year-old Jerusalem resident Mohammed Abu Khdeir was murdered Wednesday morning as revenge for the killing of three kidnapped Israeli teens, officials said Wednesday evening.


Security camera footage from the scene of Abu Khdeir’s kidnapping strengthened investigators’ suspicions that Jewish extremists snatched the teen, Channel 2 reported.

Police are still looking into the possibility of a criminal motive for the attack, or even an honor killing, but sources told Channel 10 that the family has no criminal history.

The sources also said rumors claiming that Abu Khdeir was killed because he was gay, or because he’d had sexual encounters with local girls, are baseless.


http://www.timesofisrael.com/sources-revenge-most-likely-motive-in-teens-death/

Haaretz is behind a paywall and Jpost has some of the most annoying and slow loading ads around so Times of Israel was my choice

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
31. while I wouldn't call the Jewish Press entirely unreliable, it was in this case but it was early on
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:06 PM
Jul 2014

here from Times of Israel:

Israeli police have become increasingly convinced that 16-year-old Jerusalem resident Mohammed Abu Khdeir was murdered Wednesday morning as revenge for the killing of three kidnapped Israeli teens, officials said Wednesday evening.

Security camera footage from the scene of Abu Khdeir’s kidnapping strengthened investigators’ suspicions that Jewish extremists snatched the teen, Channel 2 reported.

Police are still looking into the possibility of a criminal motive for the attack, or even an honor killing, but sources told Channel 10 that the family has no criminal history.

The sources also said rumors claiming that Abu Khdeir was killed because he was gay, or because he’d had sexual encounters with local girls, are baseless.


http://www.timesofisrael.com/sources-revenge-most-likely-motive-in-teens-death/

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
4. and around and around it goes
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:36 AM
Jul 2014

where it stops? Nobody knows. The hate has to end, one day. The jewish kids, this kid, don't deserve the hate created by 'adults'. The bottom of all this mess is to be found in the old testament. The rest is nationalistic politics of the most evil and hatefully agitated kind. We're not getting better as a species.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
5. I just wonder if the American media
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 08:56 AM
Jul 2014

will do segments on this kid's death, print his name, show his picture and talk to his relatives and eyewitnesses?

Perhaps Hamas and the PA will go through this "well-heeled east Jerusalem neighbourhood" arresting hundreds of Israelis?

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
11. CNN has been really atrocious.
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:42 AM
Jul 2014

They repeatedly provide a platform for Israeli government spokesmen to go on and on about how horrible the Palestinians are. I haven't seen CNN talk to any Palestinianss during this crisis.

lexx21

(321 posts)
8. We as Americans..
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 09:46 AM
Jul 2014

do not have the market cornered on stupid. What does the killing on either side incite? Only more hatred.

Response to Purveyor (Original post)

Archae

(46,315 posts)
13. The biggest difference...
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:57 AM
Jul 2014

If it was Jews who kidnapped and murdered the Palestinian boy, they'd be prosecuted.

If it was Palestinians who kidnapped and murdered a Jewish boy, they'd be celebrated.

Archae

(46,315 posts)
16. I never said that.
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:40 AM
Jul 2014

Sure there would be those who "celebrate" the murder.
Just as here in the US there are those who celebrate whenever "the other" (like gay men) are murdered.
Look at how right-wingers are still making excuses for the two thugs who beat and killed Matthew Shepard.

But before the bodies of the three Israelis were found, Hamas celebrated the kidnapping.

And I just read that Hamas calls the murder "justified."

Mosby

(16,298 posts)
19. and it goes well beyond words
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 01:51 PM
Jul 2014

When the murderers are caught and convicted their families can look forward to receiving around $40,000 per year from the Palestinian Authority headed by Abbas.

The PA pays out about 10 million per month to criminals sitting in israeli jails.

The official government of the Palestinians rewards and encourages violence against Israeli Jews.

If only it was just about words.

Mosby

(16,298 posts)
32. try googling palestinian prisoners club
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 06:08 PM
Jul 2014

But here is some info anyway, after reading it maybe you could share your thoughts about why suicide bombers who kill civilians are considered heros in Palestinian society and are rewarded by the Palestinian government.



In 2003, Palestinian law mandated a monthly salary of $250 to Palestinian security detainees imprisoned in Israel for up to five years, with a higher payment to those serving a longer term. Those who served a life sentence were paid $1,000 per month. In January 2011, Prime Minister Salam Fayyad enacted an amendment to increase these payments by 300%.[18]
In March 2009, an extra $190 was added to these payments to prisoners affiliated with Palestine Liberation Organization factions in Israeli prisons. Each PLO-affiliated prisoner receives $238 per month, along with an extra $71 if they're married and $12 for each child.[19]

As of May 2011, the Palestinian Authority spent $4.5 million per month paying Palestinian prisoners in Israeli jails, including prisoners convicted of murdering civilians, and $6.5 million to the families of suicide bombers. The salaries, funded by the PA, are given to Fatah, Hamas, and Islamic Jihad prisoners, despite financial hardships by the Palestinian Authority. These payments comprise 6% of the PA's budget. Hamas member Abdullah Barghouti, who was sentenced to 67 life terms for perpetrating the killings of 67 Israelis, receives NIS 4,000. In addition, prisoners who have been imprisoned for over 30 years receive NIS 12,000 ($3,000) per month.[18]

In November 2011, ahead of the Eid Al-Adha holiday, the Palestinian Authority paid Palestinian prisoners 550 NIS (about $140), as well as 50 NIS (sbout $12) to purchase sweets during the holiday.[20]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_prisoners_in_Israel

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
33. That's one, and its Wikipedia.
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 10:07 PM
Jul 2014

You still need two more. And, no, I'm not going to google anything. You made the statement. You need to back it up or qualify it.

 

rudolph the red

(666 posts)
37. Well I guess that excludes most posters here
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:07 AM
Jul 2014

I don't think that I have seen many posts that reference 3 verifiable sources, it's usually just one link.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
38. It is required when someone make a statement
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jul 2014

of fact and someone else is sufficiently skeptical to ask for citations. It's the only way to separate fact from fancy.

nyabingi

(1,145 posts)
18. Say what?
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 11:58 AM
Jul 2014
"If it was Jews who kidnapped and murdered the Palestinian boy, they'd be prosecuted."

Of all the Palestinians killed by the IDF just for fun, how many times has the IDF or the Israeli government found them guilty of anything?

I'm not a mind reader, but I get the feeling the authorities in Israel who'd be in a position to prosecute any Israeli war crimes are probably thinking "Good, one less Arab to worry about."
 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
21. oy. the settlers get away with terrorizing palestinians on a daily basis
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 01:57 PM
Jul 2014

and they never get prosecuted.

the "price tag" vigilantes have virtual legal impunity, so long as they target Arabs.

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
25. In both cases, there will be prosecution
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:03 PM
Jul 2014

These are unquestionably unjustified murders.

Enough of your race-baiting.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
26. That's a pretty gross generalization.
Wed Jul 2, 2014, 05:05 PM
Jul 2014

So far nobody has been prosecuted and nobody is celebrating.

Violet_Crumble

(35,961 posts)
35. There's no difference. In both cases teens were kidnapped and murdered
Thu Jul 3, 2014, 04:15 AM
Jul 2014

And you mean Israelis, not Jews. The country that's occupying the West Bank, where Palestinians have been murdered by extremist settlers and not prosecuted, is Israel.

I saw you condemning the murder of the Israeli teens. Why is it you aren't condemning the murder of this Palestinian teen?

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