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Anarcho-Socialist

(9,601 posts)
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 06:00 AM Jul 2014

Margaret Thatcher 'personally covered up' child abuse allegations against senior ministers

Source: The Mirror

The Tory Prime Minister is said to have held a meeting with a rising star, who was tipped for promotion, and told him: “You have to clean up your sexual act”

Margaret Thatcher personally covered up child abuse ­allegations made against one of her senior ministers, according to explosive new claims.

The Sunday People reports Tory Prime Minister is said to have held a high-powered meeting with the rising star, who was being tipped for promotion, and told him: “You have to clean up your sexual act.”

It followed an allegation that the minister had sexually abused young boys at the home of one of his political allies in 1982.

However the minister apparently ignored the warnings.

Read more: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/margaret-thatcher-personally-covered-up-3848836



This is a major UK news story about historic child abuse from serving MPs and ministers.

If it is true that Thatcher knew and covered it up would not surprise me. She was also close friends with prolific child rapist and necrophile Jimmy Saville (who she demanded be given a knighthood).
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Margaret Thatcher 'personally covered up' child abuse allegations against senior ministers (Original Post) Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2014 OP
More on this story Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2014 #1
Of note: Michael Havers, Butler-Sloss's brother muriel_volestrangler Jul 2014 #8
Yes, and is probably intentional. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #9
She must go Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2014 #12
Lady Butler-Sloss stands down from child-abuse inquiry T_i_B Jul 2014 #38
I hope the third copy JustAnotherGen Jul 2014 #2
I'm not a great fan of the Mirror but BlueMTexpat Jul 2014 #3
Now wonder she was such a Scrooge for the poor! mntleo2 Jul 2014 #4
Sometimes I think that on the questionnaires the Tories give to prospective MP candidates Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #5
I think that's probably true also of liberalhistorian Jul 2014 #29
David Icke comments: Ghost Dog Jul 2014 #6
I'm sorry, but when I read it was from David Icke Fortinbras Armstrong Jul 2014 #15
Isn't that special...time to perp walk these low-life sleazebags! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2014 #7
It is amazing to me that we still are fighting this conspiracy. WCLinolVir Jul 2014 #10
Thanks for the update on UK dirt. zeemike Jul 2014 #11
I visited the US a number of times between 2001 and 2005 Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2014 #16
Well she started the Falkland war. zeemike Jul 2014 #18
Yeah, that was terrible when she decided to invade the Malvinas, Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #22
Yep she was one of the pioneers in that dark art. zeemike Jul 2014 #25
It's always fun Paolo123 Jul 2014 #27
No, she didn't actually start it. LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #35
Thatcher's luck and incompetence Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2014 #36
I highly doubt that Callaghan would have gone to war. Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #44
Just to add evidence that the USA is #1. zeemike Jul 2014 #19
Portugal also had a "high society" pedophile ring. (Casa Pia) factsarenotfair Jul 2014 #13
Weird how the ruling class "respects life" only for the unborn. mountain grammy Jul 2014 #14
Given the elaborate snooping done by spy agencies like the CIA and MI6 daleo Jul 2014 #17
And it could imply blackmail. Both inside the country and international. jwirr Jul 2014 #20
She is scum, just like her American Counterpart Ronald Reagan LynneSin Jul 2014 #21
Me too... truebrit71 Jul 2014 #45
She knew how to be woman who could succeed in a man's world lunatica Jul 2014 #23
Seriously.... just WTF is the deal with all of the pedophilia in the UK in the 1970s? Nye Bevan Jul 2014 #24
She was a horrible person so I would't be surprised if this was true. NealK Jul 2014 #26
Explains a hell of a lot. Octafish Jul 2014 #28
How oddly coincidental there were similar accusations against GHW Bush riderinthestorm Jul 2014 #39
Alabama BFEE lost one of its own, a US Assistant Attorney who also was a child predator... Octafish Jul 2014 #40
Yes, I read the book get the red out Jul 2014 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author CountAllVotes Jul 2014 #30
No way, she's the Iron Lady according to Rush and his Kingofalldems Jul 2014 #31
She still has her worshippers over here, too LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #34
More to come. DeSwiss Jul 2014 #32
Would not surprise me AT ALL; but I don't trust the Mirror LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #33
need different source.mirror not reliable JI7 Jul 2014 #37
Butler-Sloss steps down from child abuse inquiry LeftishBrit Jul 2014 #41
Some good news n/t Anarcho-Socialist Jul 2014 #42

Anarcho-Socialist

(9,601 posts)
1. More on this story
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 06:09 AM
Jul 2014

Tory child abuse whistleblower: 'I supplied underage rent boys for Margaret Thatcher's cabinet ministers'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-child-abuse-whistleblower-i-3848987

Tory child abuse whistleblower: 'Margaret Thatcher knew all about underage sex ring among ministers'
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/tory-child-abuse-whistleblower-margaret-3849172

muriel_volestrangler

(101,271 posts)
8. Of note: Michael Havers, Butler-Sloss's brother
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 08:16 AM
Jul 2014
Mr Gilberthorpe also claims that two years earlier in 1981 he saw Sir Michael Havers – then Attorney General – at a swimming pool party at the Tory conference in Blackpool, where underage boys were encouraged to perform sex acts on several politicians, who we are also not naming today.

The retired judge leading the Westminster abuse probe has revealed she was appointed to run a previous sex abuse inquiry by her late brother, Lord Havers, when he was Lord Chancellor.

This really makes it difficult to have her heading the inquiry. Even if he isn't accused of doing anything directly, the accusation is there that he condoned it.

T_i_B

(14,736 posts)
38. Lady Butler-Sloss stands down from child-abuse inquiry
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:27 AM
Jul 2014
http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/14/lady-butler-sloss-stands-down-child-abuse-inquiry

Lady Butler-Sloss, the retired high court judge, has resigned as chair of the panel that is due to examine the extent to which public institutions failed to investigate allegations of child abuse.

Hours after the former solicitor general Vera Baird called on Butler-Sloss to stand down over a family conflict of interest, the former judge issued a statement announcing that she would withdraw from the post.

Butler-Sloss had faced intense criticism from victims' groups because her brother, the late Sir Michael Havers, was attorney general during the 1980s when reports of child abuse were allegedly not examined properly.

The retired judge informed the home secretary, Theresa May, of her decision over the weekend. May, who appointed Butler-Sloss last week, had strongly defended her as the criticism mounted.

JustAnotherGen

(31,781 posts)
2. I hope the third copy
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 06:52 AM
Jul 2014

Of the Dickens Dossier exists. The children victimized by these people deserve to have their story told.

BlueMTexpat

(15,365 posts)
3. I'm not a great fan of the Mirror but
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 06:59 AM
Jul 2014

the allegations seem to have "legs." This Guardian article is from a few days ago.

http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/jul/06/child-abuse-coverup-1980s-lord-tebbit

I would certainly believe that Thatcher was fully involved in any cover-up.

mntleo2

(2,535 posts)
4. Now wonder she was such a Scrooge for the poor!
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 07:23 AM
Jul 2014

...I mean if she thought using desperate "rent boys" was fine for her elitist snobs, why not just screw entire communities of the "unwashed masses" and throw them under the bus too?

My 2 cents

Cat in Seattle

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
5. Sometimes I think that on the questionnaires the Tories give to prospective MP candidates
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 07:45 AM
Jul 2014

Are the questions: Are you a pervert? If not, why not?

 

Ghost Dog

(16,881 posts)
6. David Icke comments:
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 07:46 AM
Jul 2014
(Whatever you might make of some of his other (!) interests, and he is a showman, he certainly has been closely investigating this very issue over many years.)

Margaret Thatcher absolutely knew all about the government paedophile ring and who was involved.

Her father was a paedophile – well known for it in Grantham – and she was not such a close friend of Jimmy Saville by accident and nor were the royal family.

Anyone think the truth is coming out? Amazing as the relevations so far may seem – they are but a trickle from a massive ocean both sides of the Atlantic and worldwide.

/... http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/tory-child-abuse-whistleblower-margaret-thatcher-knew-all-about-underage-sex-ring-among-ministers/

-----

The British Establishment … Paedophiles Everywhere
The David Icke Newsletter, January 20th, 2013

Savile got away with it for 54 years because he was protected by the highest levels of the paedophile-Satanist-controlled British Establishment for whom he was procuring children.

Lest we forget: Disc jockey Jimmy Savile was a close friend of the royal family including Lord Louis Mountbatten, Prince Philip and Prince Charles from the 1960s until he died aged 84 in 2011. Savile was also a close friend of Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher who ran one of the most paedophile-infiltrated administrations of modern times – yes and with all the competition, too.

Now a new front is emerging to expose the ring’s sickening activities – the notorious Elm Guest House in Rocks Lane, Barnes, south-west London. I have been on the trail of Elite paedophilia and Satanism on both sides of the Atlantic for two decades but I still shake my head at the same recurring names year after year in location after location.

Names emerging from sources seeking to expose what happened at Rocks Lane have included a Thatcher cabinet minister who has come up so often it is extraordinary testimony to the Establishment’s ability to cover up that he is still at large and considered worthy of political influence.

Another ‘Elm name’ familiar to me is Anthony Blunt who is alleged to have used the name ‘Anthony Goldstein’ when visiting Rocks Lane. Blunt was one of the infamous ‘Cambridge Five’ British Intelligence insiders who spied for the Soviet Union. Four of them were Blunt, Guy Burgess, Donald Maclean and Kim Philby and the fifth, never named, was Lord Victor Rothschild, although there were actually more than five.

And Blunt leads us once again to the British royal family …

/... http://www.davidicke.com/headlines/79139-the-british-establishment-paedophiles-everywhere/

Fortinbras Armstrong

(4,473 posts)
15. I'm sorry, but when I read it was from David Icke
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jul 2014

I immediately turned off. Icke is one of the few people who make Lyndon Larouche look sane.

WCLinolVir

(951 posts)
10. It is amazing to me that we still are fighting this conspiracy.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 08:54 AM
Jul 2014

Some of the comments I have been reading lately would make it seem this is over, or that it was not widespread. Yet we still can not get access to the truth. There is still a conspiracy against abused children, and a vast global conspiracy to protect these creeps. It is mind boggling. What does this say about power, and children, and their value in our world. It eclipses class, wealth and status.
I shall pray that the dossier will come to light. But the implications of the involvement of Buckingham palace makes me think it never will. Wouldn't want to rain on the royals parade now, would we?

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
11. Thanks for the update on UK dirt.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:08 AM
Jul 2014

Sometimes we get caught up in our own dirt and lose sight of the fact it is not just the US that is fucked up.

Anarcho-Socialist

(9,601 posts)
16. I visited the US a number of times between 2001 and 2005
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:20 AM
Jul 2014

I was always surprised by how Thatcher was admired by Americans, even by some self-described liberals.

I just hope people finally get how morally depraved she really was.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
18. Well she started the Falkland war.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:46 AM
Jul 2014

And there is nothing some Americans like better than a good war on their TV...I can remember how excited some of us were with it...including some people that called themselves liberals.

But I would bet our leaders are just as morally depraved as yours are or worse if the truth be known.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
22. Yeah, that was terrible when she decided to invade the Malvinas,
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:19 AM
Jul 2014

and displace the local peace-loving Argentinian population who had been living there for hundreds of years.

And what's more, she was somehow able to convince everyone that General Galtieri's military junta was to blame.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
25. Yep she was one of the pioneers in that dark art.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:29 AM
Jul 2014

I will have to give her credit for that....but we had an actor as ours...you can't top that.
He may have been a B actor but he hit his marks and knew his lines.

 

Paolo123

(297 posts)
27. It's always fun
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 12:01 PM
Jul 2014

when DUers take the side of right-wing military governments who start wars to distract from their domestic problems.

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
35. No, she didn't actually start it.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 04:47 AM
Jul 2014

That was Galtieri. However, the fact that the Thatcher government withdrew the 'Endurance' from the South Atlantic, despite being warned by the Navy that this would send a signal to Argentina that an invasion would be safe, certainly contributed to the invasion. At my most tin-foilish I have sometimes suspected that this was what would now be called 'LIHOP' (certainly the war helped Thatcher to win the 1983 election); though one should never underestimate the effects of a combination of incompetence, arrogance, and a fanaticism for cutting everything in sight.

The sinking of the General Belgrano was a war-crime. However, Galtieri should not be let off the hook either for the invasion, or, far worse, his truly vicious treatment of his own people.

Anarcho-Socialist

(9,601 posts)
36. Thatcher's luck and incompetence
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 06:15 AM
Jul 2014

Jim Callaghan ordered some warships to the Falklands in 1977-8 to ward off an invasion scare. It was the right thing to do as it prevented an unnecessary war.

If he'd sat on his hands, who knows. A war leading to re-election in 1979? I despise Thatcher.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
44. I highly doubt that Callaghan would have gone to war.
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:48 PM
Jul 2014

There would probably have been some kind of negotiated settlement.

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
19. Just to add evidence that the USA is #1.
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:58 AM
Jul 2014

We have our sex scandals too, but far fewer Americans even know about it...you will find very few Americans that know this story...

?list=PL3400625E8503A9A3

factsarenotfair

(910 posts)
13. Portugal also had a "high society" pedophile ring. (Casa Pia)
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 09:51 AM
Jul 2014

Guilty after six-year trial, Portugal's high-society paedophile ring

To most people Portugal's state-run orphanages seemed like a safe haven for thousands of children who had been robbed of their parents. They were called the Casa Pia, or Houses of the Pious.

But for an elite paedophile ring, which included a former ambassador and a prominent television celebrity, Casa Pia orphanages were something entirely different. They were supermarkets stocked with children to abuse. Yesterday, at the conclusion of the longest trial in Portugal's history, seven defendants were convicted of using the orphanages to rape and abuse scores of teenage boys in a case that has sent shockwaves through the country's political elite and raised serious concerns over the efficiency of Portugal's judiciary. Six of the seven were given jail terms of between five and 18 years.
...
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/guilty-after-sixyear-trial-portugals-highsociety-paedophile-ring-2070112.html

daleo

(21,317 posts)
17. Given the elaborate snooping done by spy agencies like the CIA and MI6
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 10:33 AM
Jul 2014

You have to think things like this, if true, would be known by them. That would imply an even vaster coverup and many opportunities for leverage and influence over their political masters, so-called.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
21. She is scum, just like her American Counterpart Ronald Reagan
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:18 AM
Jul 2014

I think Meryl Streep is a talented actress but I refuse to watch the Iron Lady because I cannot stand Margaret Thatcher.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
23. She knew how to be woman who could succeed in a man's world
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:20 AM
Jul 2014

She showed everyone that she was just as good as any man for the job.

Nye Bevan

(25,406 posts)
24. Seriously.... just WTF is the deal with all of the pedophilia in the UK in the 1970s?
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 11:21 AM
Jul 2014

The mind just boggles. Just what the hell was going on?

 

riderinthestorm

(23,272 posts)
39. How oddly coincidental there were similar accusations against GHW Bush
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 07:55 AM
Jul 2014

During the same time period. ...

Things that make you go hmmmm.

Also there are no coincidences....imo

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
40. Alabama BFEE lost one of its own, a US Assistant Attorney who also was a child predator...
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 08:34 AM
Jul 2014

Last edited Mon Jul 14, 2014, 09:19 AM - Edit history (2)

Roy Atchison: On the Paper Trail of a Paedophile

Posted on September 9, 2010 by Margie Burns

This blog entry is the first of a series of articles on John David Roy Atchison. Atchison, an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the Northern District of Florida, Pensacola office, was arrested in September 2007 on charges relating to pedophilia. He committed suicide in federal prison in October 2007. Arrest and suicide were not foregrounded by the Department of Justice in the Bush administration. The first articles, based largely on FBI material obtained under FOIA, will focus on the criminal acts and their context in 2007 in the Pensacola office.

This is not the story of a man who engaged in pedophilia for years or decades before being caught. It is the story of a man whipsawed by the strain of living up to a high-achieving family rooted in Birmingham, Ala., whose high-functioning connections assisted him for years in developing a career for which he turned out not to be suited. On Sept. 16, 2007, Assistant U.S. Attorney John David Roy Atchison, serving as a federal prosecutor in the Northern District of Florida, was arrested on credible charges of basically pedophilia. Atchison committed suicide in federal prison Oct. 5.

A dead pedophile might not sound like a tragedy. But Atchison was thought to be participating in a pedophile ring, and his death removed a useful informant from law enforcement resources. The question of how he was enabled to kill himself rather than being preserved for justice is one of the loose ends left hanging in his case. This article series will look at the case itself, at how Atchison attained his federal career, and at the easy prison suicide in 2007.

The legal case begins in August 2007, when an officer identified only as part of the Detroit Deputized Cyber Task Force, posing online as a divorced mother of two small children, was Instant Messengered by Yahoo! Member “fldaddy04.” As the Federal Bureau of Investigation notes, when the TFO [Task Force Officer, name redacted] added the user to her buddy list, the name “John Davidson” replaced “fldaddy04.” By Sept. 12, the FBI had determined that ‘Davidson” was actually Atchison, married since 1983, who lived with his wife, a high school teacher and cheerleading coach, in Gulf Breeze, Florida, and was president of the Gulf Breeze Sports Association as well as an Assistant U.S. Attorney.

CONTINUED...

http://www.margieburns.com/2010/09/roy-atchison-on-the-paper-trail-of-a-pedophile-part-1/

The ruling elites are corrupt and rotten to the core. Remember Mark Foley. And whatever happened to all the names connected to Coach Jerry Sandusky and his foundation to help orphans?

get the red out

(13,460 posts)
43. Yes, I read the book
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 03:30 PM
Jul 2014

The Franklin Cover-Up by John DeCamp: After reading this book I've never looked at government, power, and elites the same again. This British scandal is so similar it is amazing.

Response to Anarcho-Socialist (Original post)

Kingofalldems

(38,425 posts)
31. No way, she's the Iron Lady according to Rush and his
Sun Jul 13, 2014, 05:13 PM
Jul 2014

little servants in the Cave. She would never do anything bad.

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
34. She still has her worshippers over here, too
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 04:37 AM
Jul 2014

There is a lot of mythology, even outside the real Right, about how she 'saved the British economy', etc.

LeftishBrit

(41,203 posts)
33. Would not surprise me AT ALL; but I don't trust the Mirror
Mon Jul 14, 2014, 04:29 AM
Jul 2014

A proper inquiry is needed, and Butler-Sloss is not the person to chair it. I know nothing for or against her as an individual, but her brother was Sir Michael Havers, who was the Attorney General in Thatcher's government when all this is said to have been going on; so there's an inevitable conflict of interest.

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