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Omaha Steve

(99,556 posts)
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 06:04 PM Jul 2014

Montana US (D) senator's thesis appears to plagiarize

Source: AP-Excite

HELENA, Mont. (AP) — Montana Sen. John Walsh's thesis written to earn a master's degree from the U.S. Army War College contains unattributed passages taken word-for-word from previously published papers.

The Democrat is running against Republican Rep. Steve Daines to keep the seat Walsh was appointed to in February when Max Baucus resigned to become U.S. ambassador to China.

The apparent plagiarism in Walsh's 2007 thesis, titled "The Case for Democracy as a Long Term National Strategy," was first reported by The New York Times in a story posted online Wednesday afternoon. Walsh submitted the paper to earn his Master of Strategic Studies degree nearly two years after he returned from Iraq and about a year before he became Montana's adjutant general overseeing the state's National Guard and Department of Military Affairs.

Walsh's campaign said the senator did not intend to plagiarize and that he would speak to The Associated Press later Wednesday.

FULL story at link



FILE - In this Feb. 11, 2014, file photo, Sen. John Walsh, D-Mont., right, and his son Michael leave the Old Senate Chamber on Capitol Hill in Washington, after a ceremonial swearing-in ceremony with Vice President Joe Biden. Walsh's thesis written for the U.S. Army War College contains unattributed passages that appear to be taken word-for-word from previously published papers. The Democrat is running to keep the seat he was appointed to in February. Walsh faces Republican U.S. Rep. Steve Daines on Nov. 4. (AP Photo/Lauren Victoria Burke, File)



Read more: http://apnews.excite.com/article/20140723/us-senator-montana-plagiarism-5f10f0a4c8.html



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Montana US (D) senator's thesis appears to plagiarize (Original Post) Omaha Steve Jul 2014 OP
Yup. elleng Jul 2014 #1
I hope Allison Grimes, Michelle Nunn, even Travis Childers offset a possible loss by Walsh. nt alp227 Jul 2014 #2
Admit you fucked up, Senator. tabasco Jul 2014 #3
Not to be overly negative, but... devils chaplain Jul 2014 #4
Damn!!! OldRedneck Jul 2014 #5
Furthermore . . . OldRedneck Jul 2014 #6
That is a bit harsh. blackspade Jul 2014 #12
What a dumb thing to do. This will cause him to lose the election. Louisiana1976 Jul 2014 #7
And he'll probably be beaten by a tea partier who can barely read and write. n/m ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jul 2014 #10
Not good and a lot bigger than whistler162 Jul 2014 #8
Stupid and sad n/t sadoldgirl Jul 2014 #9
Not good. blackspade Jul 2014 #11
He could drop out rpannier Jul 2014 #13
Bone stupid, yes. okasha Jul 2014 #14
He is responsible for his work. enlightenment Jul 2014 #15
I'm suggesting that his committee should have caught it and dealt with itat the timd. okasha Jul 2014 #16
I am suggesting that as an adult enlightenment Jul 2014 #17
I didn't say he wasn't responsible. okasha Jul 2014 #18
I disagree. enlightenment Jul 2014 #19
War college to hold hearing later in August madville Jul 2014 #20
I don't think it will matter much. Major Hogwash Jul 2014 #21
 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
5. Damn!!!
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 06:16 PM
Jul 2014

I'm a 1991 grad of the US Army War College (Carlisle, PA); 1978 grad of Command and General Staff College (Fort Leavenworth, KS); was faculty member at C&GSC 1983-1986.

These and every other Army school take a VERY dim view of plagiarism. When I was on the C&GSC faculty, one of the guys for whom I was a faculty adviser lifted about 10 percent of his thesis from an earlier thesis -- we failed him on the thesis, dropped him from the course, and he eventually resigned from the Army.

I hate the thought of losing a Senate seat because of something like this but if we Democrats are to claim that we are not the same as Republicans, we gotta start somewhere.

 

OldRedneck

(1,397 posts)
6. Furthermore . . .
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 06:21 PM
Jul 2014

A guy with whom I served in Vietnam was a 1989 War College grad. Someone read his thesis carefully in 1991 and found several plagiarized passages. He admitted it, was relieved of the assignment he was in, removed from promotion list to brigadier general, his name was removed from the bronze plaque with the names of 1989 graduates, and he was allowed to retire from the Army.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
12. That is a bit harsh.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:16 PM
Jul 2014

It is not hard to miss unattributed passages in a thesis.
The vast majority of cases come down to simple oversight due to lack of sleep and stress.
Not to say that it shouldn't be called out, but the above seems overly harsh for a small number of passages.
Missing references are not uncommon on any sort of research paper.

blackspade

(10,056 posts)
11. Not good.
Wed Jul 23, 2014, 10:11 PM
Jul 2014

But again, this will only derail his run because he is a Democrat.
It would be fine with the M$M if he was GOP.
ex Rand Paul....

okasha

(11,573 posts)
14. Bone stupid, yes.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 01:23 AM
Jul 2014

But where was his thesis director? Was his whole committee asleep on the job? This should have been caught when he turned in his drafts.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
15. He is responsible for his work.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:44 PM
Jul 2014

Are you suggesting that his committee is responsible?

He intentionally - despite all his protestations otherwise - chose to steal the words and ideas of others. It is HIS responsibility and no one else.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
16. I'm suggesting that his committee should have caught it and dealt with itat the timd.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 12:48 PM
Jul 2014

Evidently, they were lax.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
17. I am suggesting that as an adult
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 01:08 PM
Jul 2014

completing graduate level course work, his committee is not responsible for ensuring that he didn't cheat.

He is responsible.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
18. I didn't say he wasn't responsible.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 02:05 PM
Jul 2014

My thesis committee caught a single grammar error in 130 pages, and I corrected it before final submission. This guy's cheating should have been caught at the same level. He's responsible for the cheating, His director and committee are at least in part responsible for his getting away with it.

enlightenment

(8,830 posts)
19. I disagree.
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 02:38 PM
Jul 2014

They do not bear responsibility for his actions. Comparing a grammatical error to plagiarism is really apples and oranges; especially when it is clear that he was very careful about this "unintentional" cheating, by utilizing the footnotes of the original authors.

No committee should be expected to "know" that material has been lifted from a paper about a topic that may or may not be familiar to them. That would require that they recognize passages from all the scholarship on the topic. I don't know about you, but I don't have a eidetic memory, so I probably wouldn't see a lifted passage from a work I perhaps had never read - particularly if it carries citation that looks valid.

This was caught because somebody was looking for dirt and they found it in spade loads, but that doesn't mean his committee should have caught it.

He didn't plagiarize the entire thesis - he lifted about a quarter of it, and he did it carefully and toward the end (including his conclusion, which is particularly egregious). That means that his committee read the first three-quarters of his work without any triggers to alert them to what would come. Can you honestly say that you would be thinking "oh, he might start plagiarizing on page 180; I'd better be especially vigilant" after reading a thesis that to that point was passing the smell test?

The fact that his committee didn't catch his theft points more to his expertise in disguising it - not their lack of concern about it.

If it shakes out that the faculty at the War College have a habit of letting dubious work pass, I'll be the first to admit that they were lax - but for now, I'm sticking with the idea that their failing was that they believed they were dealing with an officer who understood honesty and integrity.

madville

(7,408 posts)
20. War college to hold hearing later in August
Thu Jul 24, 2014, 07:53 PM
Jul 2014

They announced today they will hold an official review later in August and within 10 days of that make a determination on the plagiarism and the status of his degree.

They said of the eight degrees that have ever been revoked, six were for plagiarism.

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