Norway warned of imminent security threat

[Bosonic]

Source: Al Jazeera

Norway's intelligence service says it has been warned of an imminent "concrete threat" against the nation from people with links to fighters in Syria.

Benedicte Bjoernland, the head of Norwegian security service PST, said on Thursday the agency had received "reliable information" from a foreign partner about some kind of attack "within days".

Bjoernland said there was no indication of a specific target.

She said the information involved people who have been fighters in Syria.

Read more: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2014/07/norway-warned-imminent-security-threat-201472484851992744.html

[MyNameGoesHere]

1. imminent "concrete threat"

They better check that phrase, I think the bushco crime syndicate has the TM on that.

[mogster]

20. They have no data

They don't know who, where, why or how this will be perpetrated.

"We have no information about who is behind such an attack, how it will be carried our, the target or in what way such an attack will be carried out."

http://www.pst.no/media/pressemeldinger/terror-threat-against-norway/

[freshwest]

2. What will Norway's response be, if something happens, I wonder.

Looks like a religious war is on the horizon for the entire continent of Europe.

[BlueEye]

4. I don't see that at all...

I would imagine Norwegian law enforcement is reacting swiftly to neutralize the threat right now. God forbid, should there be an attack, then they'll investigate, arrest any parties involved, give them a fair trial, and then imprison them if they are convicted. No death penalty. No invading any countries. No religious war. Norway treats this as a matter of criminal justice.

Look no further than the Anders Breivik case. He was a right-wing extremist. I see no reason why Norway would treat acts by Islamic extremists any differently.

[freshwest]

5. You're right, giving Norway's recent acts, that's likely. The rest of Europe, IDK.

And I'm not talking about an overt religious war in Europe as was done in the past, either.

All out war doesn't only mean military action, but disintegration of the social contract in countries where people saw each other as equals.

We're seeing the uptick from the right pushing austerity where it is not needed, and fractures in alliances that made things work.

Unity is necessary to maintain a civil society under law with restraint as you are talking about, but impossible if people drift too far apart.

[BlueEye]

9. A fair point, you are right that social alienation is increasing in some European nations.

I was in France a couple months ago. Beautiful country, and yet, the majority holds a very ugly bias against Muslims. And most minorities, for that matter. I was pretty surprised.

[MADem]

26. Much of Europe is leaning to the non-inclusive right these days.

I get this attitude that they just don't want to SEE it. You're "allowed" to be different so long as it's not noticeable. But really, they'd prefer that there weren't too many of those "different" types hanging about---a few makes for charming diversity, too many and they start to feel threatened, I guess.

[JDPriestly]

29. we define ourselves as a nation based on a Constitution that represents our political ideas.

There are lots of exceptions, but most of us today do not define ourselves as a nation that is based on a traditional culture, a specific ethnicity (other than politically American) or race (we are more mixed with every passing day).

European nations were formed before they adopted their current forms of government. They think of themselves in terms of their common culture, their ethnicity, in some cases, their common religion and race.

The Polish were Polish under a monarchy, under the NAZIS and under the Communists.

Inclusivity is major part of our national identity, but we are pretty unique with regard to just how inclusive we are.

The Europeans have moved a long way toward inclusivity but it is to be expected that when the economy is rough and unemployment high, they will react with even more xenophobia than Americans do. I'm not excusing it. I am explaining it.

[MADem]

30. We weren't always adorable that way, either--in some corners we still aren't.

What constituted "American culture" used to be what we saw on TV on Leave It To Beaver or Father Knows Best. It was white guys--mostly Christian white guys--who were calling the shots, and everyone else was expected to sit down, shut up and go along and get along.

We've been getting better over the last fifty to seventy years, AND I think our strength is that we recognize that we have a ways to go, yet--that the journey isn't done.

I know how Europe approaches these situations, and I am not surprised--I do think it's a bit amusing when I hear pronouncements about how much "better" Europe is about this thing or that, but they're waiting in line to get in over here!

[Diclotican]

10. BlueEye

BlueEye

The Authorities in Norway have been rather well outspoken by our standards - our PST (Politiets sikkerhetstjeneste) is rather low spoken and low key in their job - and I believe it to be a danger to Norway if they spoke out as they have been doing now - and warning about an possible attack on Norwegian soil from extremist...

Hopefully the police, and other law enforcement will do their job - secure the country - and investigate it as best our law enforcement is able to do it - and make a case for it in court - like we did it when ABB was arrested - put on trial and put away for the rest of his natural life... Even if life is 21 year in Norway - he can and will possible be kept in "protective custody" for as long as it is deemed necessary to keep him there.... aka life

But then again - some of my friends - who is right wings as they go (as long as it goes to politic they are rather on the right wing I would say) have already posted on face book - if labor had been in power, PST would not have said a word - before somewhere had been exploding... Like they accuse it is Labors fault ABB blow up our governments offices and 77 young kids at Utøya...

It is a matter of criminal justice - if they manage to get the perpetrators before the action - or after the action happened - it is a matter of criminal justice - and I'm pretty sure they will be able to thwart this - make the case and put the ones who was found guilty into a nice prison for as long as it is possible to put them in a prison....

Diclotican

[freshwest]

12. Diclotican, how different would the national response be if an emigrant...

Since the article seems to says threat is from those who went to Syria to fight and may be among Muslim emigrants in Norway, who came back wanting to attack Norway?

And if the argument is religious, or NATO, or any alliance Norway has with western nations like the USA or with Israel - would that set off those who want to continue with a secular government to pick a side or religion, in that case?

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Norwegians in general would deny their basic governing ideals.

But fear this would not be treated as a police action, if Norwegians saw them as the 'Other.' ABB was not from another country, he is a native.

Elections after sush an event might change the character of Norway's government. Actually, for some, it might make ABB's argument for him, as he was anti-immigrant, IIRC.

I've got to go, be back later, TIA.

[Diclotican]

13. freshwest

freshwest

If an emigrant - who had been in lets say Syria to fight with ISIS and other of the extremist groups - had come back to Norway to plot an attack on Norway - it would depend of who you ask I would say - some segments (a few ones for sure) would possible cry wolf and put everyone of the same faith into the same soup and call for an mandatory arrest of everyone who have islam as their faith - even though the one who did a horrible attack on Norway 3 years ago was an formal protestant of Lutheran fashion - not like anyone else of that branch of protestantism would be arrested anytime soon I guess... Hopefully he/she would have been arrested before he was able to do their crime - prosecuted and then put in a prison for as long as it is possible to put them there -


I do not think our government would go nuts - and choose one religion or the other over an attack from an emigrant Bent of doing damage to Norway - for some reason I suspect our government to be rather secular in their views - even when we had a Prime Minister who was ordained a minister in our State sponsored Church (Luthersk-evangelisk kirkeordning) our secular ideals was strong enough to not let his belief force the hand in our form of governance.. For the most part the community and country is rather secular in its views - and religion is a matter of private life - not something to force on others - or to show off in public... The few who do it is seen as little weird out there...

We have no much of a election on national level for the next 3 year as our conservative was elected last year, and have just been governing for 8-9 monts by now - and have 3 years to go before a new election... And for the most part I think that most people will not let something like an attack on Norway would give one party more votes or less votes - mostly because we keep an distance between religion and politics here in Norway...

My personal views is that I would trust the law enforcements to do their job - as they did after ABB - make the case and then prosecute and put the person/persons in a prison cell where they belong - as long as it is possible to let them be there - in the matter of terror might as well for the rest of their natural life - a person who did terror in Norway would be rather toxic for most people - and it would be necessary to keep them inside a prison for a long time.. People in Norway tend to hold a grind against persons like this for a long time.... ABB would be in danger if he was put in "general population" - therefore he would be kept in solitary condiment for a long time.... Maybe the rest of his natural life if he is unlucky enough...

Have a good day wherever you are Freshwest

Diclotican

[War Horse]

15. I agree

The country as a whole will retain its sanity regardless what happens. But Muslims were beaten up after the ABB attacks, before anyone knew what had actually happened. There are dark undercurrents here as well, as I'm sure you know. Fortunately we're reasonably good at disinfecting them with sunlight.

[Diclotican]

21. War Horse

War Horse

I know - and it was a shame of us all that innocent people - of muslim faith was harassed that way - before the fact was known... It was a few who jumped to conclusions long before the fact was known - and was telling about how horrible it was - and that the muslims was the ones who did it... Thankfully it was not so - and I think even muslims in Norway was glad the one who did it - and was arrested so swiftly - and put in a prison cell where he wil live for the rest of his life

You are also absolutely right about the black undercurrents in our society - some have a total irrational hatred for muslims - even people who outer vice is intelligent smart people have hatred for muslims that is absolutely not rational at all...

The best way to disinfecting them - is to make them look at the sun - it tend to be less dark when the light break out and the shadows disappear - and the naked truth is there...

Diclotican

[indivisibleman]

3. If I were a Muslim in Europe

I would be part of a group that made regular statements of condemnation against each and every act of terrorism that could be associated with radicalized Islam. Are there such groups or is there some sort of religious/political pressure against doing this?

[mylye2222]

6. oh yes there is.

But they are silented by the loud minorities of haters.

[1StrongBlackMan]

7. Interesting ...

Are you Christian in America? Are you male in America? Are you white in America?

Each of these groups have a history of committing (and continue to commit) horrific act; yet there is no call for ""regular statements of condemnation against each and ever act ..."

[Behind the Aegis]

16. Interesting as well...

Jews are expected to make "regular statements of condemnation against each and ever act.." of Israel, especially here. I take it from your post you don't support what the other poster was saying; in that we agree. Seems any time there is a terrorist act by a Muslim, any and all Muslims everywhere are supposed to make an announcement denouncing it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

17. I haven't really seen the former ...

But a lot of the later ... but only for certain groups ... and typically, as a apologetic from the right. (See: "Black on Black Crime&quot

[Behind the Aegis]

18. You haven't seen the former?

Go into any thread about Israel. Look in I/P at the number of "good Jews who say it's not in their name."

[1StrongBlackMan]

19. Isn't that a little different ...

Look in I/P at the number of "good Jews who say it's not in their name."

From a person not of Jewish descent calling on people of Jewish descent to condemn an/the action?

[Behind the Aegis]

23. It is the same.

How do you feel when a white person posts "well, this African-American agrees with my point of view? How do you feel when white people demand you or other AAs condemn "black on black" crime? How do you feel when they say "where are the Black voices speaking out against this or that?" Why is it different in your mind when the same demands are made of Jews?

[JI7]

27. your post is a bit confusing

it looks like the part where you quoted about the good jews refers to people who are jewish as being the ones who posting and saying these things and claiming to be "good jews" as a result of it.

[Behind the Aegis]

28. I can see that confusion.

But it isn't. It is non-Jews determining who are and aren't "good" (or liberal) Jews.

ETA: It would be less confusing if you read the post prior to it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

31. Okay, I was similiarly confused ...

I thought you were saying other people of Jewish decent were making that demand. We're on the came page.

[indivisibleman]

33. I wouldn't say there is no call.

For many Christians, mainline Christianity does not represent their beliefs nor does is speak out against acts of terrorism that can be directly traced to Christian groups. I have seen a growing population of Christian churches that are unlike the mainstream that do speak out against such acts. I can think of one prominent news story about a man who preached a sermon in which he said, "God damn America". It is an excellent sermon, biblical to my mind and others and strongly criticizes a number of sins and crimes. I don't recall it listing an act of terrorism though. It would be worth rechecking.
We do have a strong need in America for the media and Christian groups to come out strongly against Christian terrorism and I am optimistic that we will. But it is way overdue.

[1StrongBlackMan]

35. Again ...

There is a difference between the "growing population of Christian churches that are unlike the mainstream that do speak out against such acts" and the cry of non-Christians imploring Christians to condemn Christian terrorism.

[Iamthetruth]

34. How can you miss it

The answer to your question is yes. There are thousands of examples of white men standing right next to black men when some idiot does something horrific in the name of racism. You paint with a broad brush and are completely wrong.

[LeftishBrit]

36. Certainly the Muslim Council of Britain regularly condemns terrorist actions

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4660411.stm

http://www.itv.com/news/london/update/2013-05-22/muslim-council-of-britain-statement-on-machete-murder/

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/british-islamic-leaders-condemn-isis-extremists-barbaric-violence-9599907.html

[cantbeserious]

8. The Drums Of War Beat On

eom

[Diclotican]

11. cantbeserious

cantbeserious

Which country should Norway drum up support from? Sweden? Denmark, Germany, Russia, Finland - maybe Iceland ?... No we do not have much grudge against anyone in our neighborhood so to say - and we do not have so much military power to show off our bones like the US....

Diclotican

[War Horse]

14. I'm with Diclotican on this one

In a country where the police aren't usually even armed, seeing police with MP 5s (and even the odd H&K) all over the place isn't exactly commonplace. Our govt. (regardless of party) isn't really into scaring people just for the sake of scaring them, so I def. think something is up here. Our minister of justice is from a political party that I loathe, yet I have no reason to believe he's not telling the truth here.

I was reading the comments on CNN about this, and it was a pretty sad sight. "This is obviously happening b/c Europe has let Muslims in" and "if this had happened here, our militia boys would have taken care of it" make up the majority of them.

But I see that there are some knee-jerk responses here as well.

BTW, Diclotican, do you use that nick on Norwegian sites as well? I've seen someone w/that nick take on Norwegians that have moved to the U.S. and turned teabaggers big time. And taken them on with great patience, I might add

[Diclotican]

22. War Horse

War Horse

Yeah I do use my nickname on other places - but I'm not living in the US - I'm Norwegian true-and true... And hopefully I would live here to a old age...

I use it on VGD if you know the place - used it on ADP before they closed it down after 22 july 2011... And have had my bones with conservatives over the last decade or so... Specially a few ones from the US, or who emigrated to the US, and got as conservative as they was able to be I guess..... It might have been the one you is referring to, as I am rather patient of me - even if I hit the famous brick now and then If soo - cool to be "discovered" here on DU..

Diclotican

[Sognefjord]

24. I hope my cousins up in Vik i Sogn will be safe.

Actually I hope everyone will be safe.

[Quantess]

25. Did you post in the wrong article?

You must have been thinking about a different article.

[Sunlei]

32. was mentioned a couple months ago the threat from trained people using visa to get into countries.

Once inside an EU country there is visa-less travel across borders.

They do watch the communication systems fairly close these days. The wide publicity of this warning could be a warning to some group. 'we know you plan something'.

The USA also had massive 'computer problems' with the visa/passport system, said "They're sorry for the inconvenience "there will be delays in all visas/passports.