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reorg

(3,317 posts)
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:40 AM Jul 2014

Russian Lawmakers Draft Bill On 'Aggressor Countries'

Source: Radio Free Europe

Russian lawmakers have reportedly drafted amendments that would brand states that impose sanctions on Russia as "aggressor countries."

...

Fyodorov, who is advocating the amendments, named six major international auditing and consulting firms -- including Deloitte, KPMG, Ernst and Young, Boston Consulting Group, and McKinsey -- that the government would be able to restrict.

The lawmaker said he would submit the draft document to the government and to the State Duma for review on July 30.

According to an extract from the draft document quoted in the Russian press, the bill would give "the government the right to approve a list of aggressor countries in order to defend the foundations of constitutional order, to ensure the state's defense and security, to protect the domestic market of the Russian Federation and the development of the national economy."

Read more: http://www.rferl.org/content/russia-draft-aggressor-countries/25474007.html



To complement the above news from a state-financed US news source, one might look for information in Russian news sources. From what I read there, one motive for the proposed law is that

"any corporation, even the largest one, has to be loyal to the country where it is registered and is likely to execute some of its government’s secret orders, without publicly acknowledging this fact. Some countries, like the USA, have the practice of specialists’ rotation – they leave business positions for government posts and vice versa. Any senior manager of a major US consulting company can one day assume a senior position in the CIA, for example, and later go back to business administration ..."


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Getting the ducks in a row for WW3. ballyhoo Jul 2014 #1
No just the first return fire in the new cold war. zeemike Jul 2014 #5
Maybe both. I would bet my bottom dollar ballyhoo Jul 2014 #6
ballyhoo Diclotican Jul 2014 #7
I just bought the remake of the Battle of Stalingrad. They won because ballyhoo Jul 2014 #10
ballyhoo Diclotican Jul 2014 #11
You apparently did not read [understand] my answer to your post. I was talking about ME ballyhoo Jul 2014 #12
ballyhoo Diclotican Jul 2014 #13
You'd certainly win reorg Jul 2014 #8
Good video. I hadn't seen it but figured ballyhoo Jul 2014 #9
Heh , ban auditing firms. Nothing suspicious there. nt geek tragedy Jul 2014 #2
Sounds like the US and EU needs to draft a reciprocal order against Oligarch held firms stevenleser Jul 2014 #3
Corporations, Heal Thyselves Demeter Jul 2014 #4

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
5. No just the first return fire in the new cold war.
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jul 2014

Will Russia stand for US or NATO troops on it's borders?...will the US escalate it?

Stay tuned.

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
6. Maybe both. I would bet my bottom dollar
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 12:46 PM
Jul 2014

that the Russian High Command has discussed missile deployment in case of nuclear war. Russians have a history of being prepared way in advance.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
7. ballyhoo
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 01:28 PM
Jul 2014

ballyhoo

At times they have also been known to be ill prepared against a clear and dangerous enemy - like the Nazis of the WW2, who attacked Russia in 1941 and was knocking on the Kremlin door before they hit an another enemy - Marshall Winter who did more damage to the germans than russians did at the same winter not to say the russians was not doing it best fighting in the winter of 1941-42 - and then was driven back by soviet forces - who had some good reasons to want to get back on germany....

When it came to nuclear war - I suspect Russia have doing its preparedness - but everyone know that a nuclear war is more or less off the table - even for Russia - who have a tradition of caring less for their soldiers than others - Stalins order in 1941 about what soldiers should do - harmed the war afford a lot - before they had to implement some other ways to fend of the germans later on...

Nuclear weapon is a tool not to be used - and i doubt US want to muster the necessary forces to fight against russia on their own turfs - russians is known for their will to fight against numbers who is on paper stronger than they are - and Russia do have nuclear weapons - and the US do not have any "first strike" capability to speak off - who can not be countered by Russia... If US was to use nuclear weapons - Russia would fire or her missiles and kill many million americans before it was over... And I doubt Obama want that - he sounds sensible to the issue - but what would happened in two years time is another issue - specially the GOP is seen to have a Fee nuts who can do things like this without much thinking about it

Diclotican

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
10. I just bought the remake of the Battle of Stalingrad. They won because
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 06:01 PM
Jul 2014

Stalin was clever. Putin is clever too. I can appreciate what you are saying about both countries not wanting nuclear war. I don't believe that as much as I used too, though. I think the neocons have their protective hideouts ready and are moving toward at least war, if not nuclear. They need to thin the herd--and that includes Russia. My scenario after watching Jim Sinclair's video offered by another poster here is that Russia will kneecap the US economy and bring it to a crawl via forced dollar devaluation and bank asset corrections. You don't seem to have a slant on finances--more war rationale. I see it all from a different side. I see the cold war returning with the US and Western Europe on one side and BRICS on the other, with Islamics all around. At what point does very life itself become too terrible to endure, when something like a Gaza occurs, or is it less enduring for the MIC at a higher level? I think the latter may be true for the rich forced to live with us apes. Thank for your response. It sure beats "You're a Putin apologist troll."

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
11. ballyhoo
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 07:43 PM
Jul 2014

ballyhoo

If Stalin had been so smart - he would not have lost half of the european part of Russia to Hitler by the end of 1941 - it was not before millions of POW was in the hand of the germans - and most of russian infrastructure in Europe was destroyed Marshall Stalin was smart enough to understand if he should have a Chance in hell to survive - he most let his generals do their job - without letting the political police interfering with their plans all the time - as they had being doing all the way back to Volga - who was one of the last important rivers who could stop germany from making an real impasse to Caucasus and the oil fields at Baku.... I know a few things about Stalingrad -(todays Volgograd) and it was mostly because of the sacrifice of ten of thousands of russian soldiers from all over the country the russians was able to muster the necessary forces to fend off Germany from the last holding points at the Stalingrad battlefront - and even then made NKVD a lot of violence against soldiers who was breaking down under the horrible things they discovered - and shot soldiers when they was trying to escape from the front - even put officers and generals on notice if they was not able to do as ordered - NKVD had even whole platoons with able minded soldiers in the back of the front - whose only duty was to enforce Stalins credo No retiring to other places.... This was soldiers who killed soldiers in the front - and kept them self dry and safe back from the front under the whole war... I have known a few russian soldiers from that war, who had a few words about the soldiers of NKVD back in the days.... And even the russians have a saying about the winter in 1941 - and that is, it was a very cold winter - who did as much damage to the germans than the russians did - because the germans was ill equipment to wage a war in the cold - in fact it surprised the generals in OKW as it was supposed the war would be over - at least in September the same year - maybe october if you was stretching it - because they believed the russians was not able - or willing to fight for Stalin... And until Stalin understood it was important to listen to his generals - and let them do what generals do in a war - he messed up things so more than 3 million soviet soldiers was Prisoner of wars by the time he understood it.... 3 million who by the end of the war for the most part was killed off - by starving - killing or medical experiments in different KZ camps..

I might not have the largest knowledge about economy - but I do know a few things about both WW2 and Russia that you might not know about - so you can hold your "better than you" attitude where it belong - inside your own ego... If you had been that smart as you want to show yourself as - you would have enlighten me with your knowledge about the issue - other than behave as you is so smart....

And I have never supported war in any way - so I wonder where you are even able to get the idea that I wanted War - when I have never stated such - You might not be as smart as You wanted to act out..... I live in a country who is bordering Russia with a 189 metric mil border so I guess I know a few things about Russia - their weakness and their powers - and I doubt Putin want a war with NATO or USA over Ukraine - who are the most important part of it now... Specially as most Russians like to se Ukraine as an integrate part of Russia - the mother of russia as many see it - specially as most of the

It is the first time I have been called a "putin apologist troll" be here on DU or other places - but I guess one time is the first - and you can put your arrogance about the subject of economy where the private parts never look at the sun - I'm maybe not the smartest when it came to economy - but I guess I have a lot more knowledge about the matter than most "economist" out there - as they tend to mess up peoples life more than they do good - if they are not kept in clear boundaries - and punished according to the crime... I guess the US are doing so mutch better in a deregulated environment - than a country like I live in, who have a strong economy - but where it is a lot of regulations and laws - to keep the wild west attitude of economist who gamble with others money on the stock exchange all the time at bay....

It is absolutely a possibility that Russia can do a lot of damage to the US economy if they want - even hurt it to the core if they force many to let go of the US dollar as their reserve currency - but that means another currency would have to rise to the challenger -and I doubt the Rubbels will do that anytime soon - specially as the russian rubbels already have been hurt by the sanctions - and will continue to slide downward as more and more of the sanctions will be implemented by different nations - Even PRC who have doing a lot of business with Russia over the last couple of decade and a half - can be cough into it all - and most of their export goes to US and the West - and I doubt PRC will give up their share in Western economy just to be a ally of Russia in a economical sense.. Even if they would love to get their hands of any gas, oil and other metals Russia have the possibility to export to PRC....

And - where have I stated that I wanted US, and the west to go to war against Russia - I would love to know how you are able to get that idea - as I have never stated any wish of going to war with Russia - my country border Russia with a few hundred mile long border - and we are also member of NATO - I doubt anyone here I live would love the idea of being forced to fight the russians - if it was not necessary - in fact it would be the first time Russia and my own country had been at war with each other for 1000 year if so was to be.... For more than a millennium we have been in peace with Russia - some disagreement have it been over the last centuries - but no more than diplomats could master.. So I guess your "smarter than me" attitude backfired rather harsh here... Try to read one more time - and then come back to have another reply - this is just "stupid"

And for the record - a war between Russia and USA is also very stupid - thankfully I believe it exist enough vice men in Washington DC - specially in the White house to stop a possibility of a war between the two countries - it would be so stupid - because a war between Russia and USA would end in a nuclear Holocaust no one will survive - and I doubt Obama at least are willing to govern over a destroyed nation - a nation who will die because of the fallout of a nuclear winter.....

Diocletian

 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
12. You apparently did not read [understand] my answer to your post. I was talking about ME
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:04 PM
Jul 2014

being called a "putin apologist troll"--not you! Here. Read it again. [font color=red]Thank for your response. It sure beats "You're a Putin apologist troll."[/font] See it was me--not you. I think we may have a language problem here. I can tell that mainly by your usage of the past tense of the "state of being" verbs, ie, "was" used when "were" should have been used. I'm sorry if I offended you somehow, Diocletian; it was not my intent. I can't find anything contentious in my entire response to you. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

Diclotican

(5,095 posts)
13. ballyhoo
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 08:25 PM
Jul 2014

ballyhoo

It might been somehow of a language barrier here - as english is not my native language - as you might have understood... So I might had been annoyed for no reason at all And no I doubt you are any putin apologist troll - I do not know you well enough to be able to jugde you - but from the little I do have read from you - you are not any putin troll - rather a person who try to keep two thoughs in the head at the same time - something that is not allways easy to have...

English can be somewhat difficult language to master good... And I'm afraid I am not a master of english by any means

Diclotican

reorg

(3,317 posts)
8. You'd certainly win
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 02:00 PM
Jul 2014


From description:

Putin's economic advisor reveals the massive militarization of Ukraine, intended not only to crush Donbass, but to re-take Crimea, and be the puppets to start another world war for further consolidation of the US hegemony over Eurasia.
 

ballyhoo

(2,060 posts)
9. Good video. I hadn't seen it but figured
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 03:32 PM
Jul 2014

that was happening. Time for Putin to stop pussyfooting around.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
3. Sounds like the US and EU needs to draft a reciprocal order against Oligarch held firms
Tue Jul 29, 2014, 10:52 AM
Jul 2014

Specifically regarding:

"...any corporation, even the largest one, has to be loyal to the country where it is registered and is likely to execute some of its government’s secret orders, without publicly acknowledging this fact"


Russian oligarchs own a number of sports teams and other firms. These should be auctioned off to new owners.
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