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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:16 PM Aug 2014

Ferguson Mayor Defends Police: 'I Can't Second-Guess These Officers'

Source: TPM

By DYLAN SCOTT Published AUGUST 14, 2014, 11:47 AM EDT

Ferguson, Mo., Mayor James Knowles defended local law enforcement amid growing criticism about their tactics during the protests sparked by the police shooting of an unarmed African-American teen.

Knowles said Thursday on MSNBC that there is "a lot of unlawfulness going around these peaceful protests." Two police officers have been shot at during the demonstrations, he said, which started on Sunday after the shooting of Michael Brown and have resulted in tear gas and rubber bullets being fired into the crowd.

"That's why we have to be vigilant and I can't second-guess these officers. They are the professionals. They have learned from many years of dealing with these incidents across the nation," Knowles said. "Now we're just going to have to try our best to maintain order, and we ask the citizens to help us comply with that."

"I am confident that all the law enforcement agencies that are participating are professionals," he said. "and if there is some videos that show someone losing their temper in a highly stressful situation, I'm sure they're under a great deal of stress and though it does not make it okay, they are human and I can understand their frustrations as well. Just as the protesters are frustrated."

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Ferguson Mayor Defends Police: 'I Can't Second-Guess These Officers' (Original Post) DonViejo Aug 2014 OP
video shows "someone losing their temper in a highly stressful situation" really? Voice for Peace Aug 2014 #1
"highly stressfull situation"... HooptieWagon Aug 2014 #4
Sounds like the end of a political career to me. Blue Idaho Aug 2014 #2
I heard that the majority of the city being black. sendero Aug 2014 #25
When do they change his batteries? madashelltoo Aug 2014 #3
If Ferguson is predominately populated by people of color, this guy is toast. BillZBubb Aug 2014 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #7
Robot billhicks76 Aug 2014 #16
Elected by acclamation....no one else ran....make of it what you will....I will say....VOTE...RUN! Fred Sanders Aug 2014 #6
Can't second guess???? Lobo27 Aug 2014 #8
"Someone losing their temper in a highly stressful situation" SwankyXomb Aug 2014 #9
Evidently someone needs to "second-guess these officers" PatSeg Aug 2014 #10
Doesn't he appoint the police chief? The buck stops where? /nt Ash_F Aug 2014 #11
I thought that varied from city to city with some voted to the position and others cstanleytech Aug 2014 #14
That's true. In my city, the city manager appoints the police chief Ash_F Aug 2014 #19
They Are Not Professionals Mr. Mayor otohara Aug 2014 #12
Um, yes you can. blackspade Aug 2014 #13
It's like patriots torturing folks ... GeorgeGist Aug 2014 #15
You sure as hell CAN 'second guess' them; elleng Aug 2014 #17
... can't second-guess these officers ... surrealAmerican Aug 2014 #18
Scumbags, Dirtbags, Slimebags, Garbage otohara Aug 2014 #20
Disgusting blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #21
putridly weak elected leader hopemountain Aug 2014 #22
Frustration poster123 Aug 2014 #23
I, Brigid, do hereby claim the right to second-guess . . . Brigid Aug 2014 #24
Idiot. bravenak Aug 2014 #26
I'm sure some Roman emperors spoke well of their Praetorian Guards, too. Efilroft Sul Aug 2014 #27
More like "life insurance," i would think. :) VanGoghRocks Aug 2014 #28
You know it! Efilroft Sul Aug 2014 #29
 

Voice for Peace

(13,141 posts)
1. video shows "someone losing their temper in a highly stressful situation" really?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:18 PM
Aug 2014

really? I think they need to retire the mayor.

Blue Idaho

(5,048 posts)
2. Sounds like the end of a political career to me.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:22 PM
Aug 2014

If you want to be mayor - you need to be responsible for all the actions of local government - including the pigs. If you want to wash your hands of your responsibility - expect to see that used against you the next time you want to run for office.

I say throw the bum out.

sendero

(28,552 posts)
25. I heard that the majority of the city being black.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 09:04 PM
Aug 2014

..... but does not vote hence a white mayor and police dept.

Maybe someone will get mad and VOTE these assholes out.

madashelltoo

(1,696 posts)
3. When do they change his batteries?
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:23 PM
Aug 2014

I saw this man on MSNBC, and he obviously grew up in an alternate universe where all is well. He never witnessed any of the racism being reported. He went to school in Ferguson and it was wonderful. Obviously, the Ferguson Goldie Taylor (MSNBC affiliate) grew up in was a different Ferguson. One where black people had to be off the street after sundown. I would laugh if this situation wasn't so fucking pathetic.

BillZBubb

(10,650 posts)
5. If Ferguson is predominately populated by people of color, this guy is toast.
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:26 PM
Aug 2014

Who would vote for this boob?

As to the claim that police have been shot at, has that been verified? Or is it like the "snipers" in New Orleans during Katrina that the police there made up out of thin air?

Response to BillZBubb (Reply #5)

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
16. Robot
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 02:21 PM
Aug 2014

He wouldn't second guess Hitler if he lived in 1930s Germany either. Time to think for yourself idiot.

Lobo27

(753 posts)
8. Can't second guess????
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:40 PM
Aug 2014

And this is one of the biggest issues we have in our government. Dumbasses are running it.

SwankyXomb

(2,030 posts)
9. "Someone losing their temper in a highly stressful situation"
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:41 PM
Aug 2014

Aren't police supposed to be specifically trained to remain calm and defuse these situations?

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
10. Evidently someone needs to "second-guess these officers"
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:47 PM
Aug 2014

It appears that it is the police who are lawless and apparently accountable to no one. Not second-guessing law enforcement is inviting chaos and violence.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
14. I thought that varied from city to city with some voted to the position and others
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 01:48 PM
Aug 2014

appointed to it?

Ash_F

(5,861 posts)
19. That's true. In my city, the city manager appoints the police chief
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:13 PM
Aug 2014

And the city council votes on city manager. People vote for their city councilmembers. Not a great system in my opinion.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
12. They Are Not Professionals Mr. Mayor
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 12:59 PM
Aug 2014

not in your city or in any city in America.

They treat us like terrorists, call us names, they dress like they are in a war zone, tanks, big scary guns, and WTF up with the camouflage outfits?

While at an Occupy protest once, I spoke to a couple of police and they called the protesters, scumbags, dirt-bags, slime-bags and more. When I mentioned I had never been called a slime-bag, they backed off saying "oh not you mame, them"

There were plenty of women in the crowd who looked like me.

surrealAmerican

(11,360 posts)
18. ... can't second-guess these officers ...
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:05 PM
Aug 2014

... but more than willing to second guess the citizens, you know, the people who gave you your job as mayor.

I like the way he describes tear gas and rubber bullets as being a "result" of the demonstrations, rather than any sort of "action" on the part of the police.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
20. Scumbags, Dirtbags, Slimebags, Garbage
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 03:19 PM
Aug 2014

that's what 2 of our local police said about the "Occupy" protestors when I chatted with them as I walked back to my car. I said, WoW I've never been called a Scumbag before. Oh not you mame - them!

I was one of them.



hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
22. putridly weak elected leader
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 06:10 PM
Aug 2014

everyone is having to come in and cover up for his weakness and idiocy. the police chief has more power than the mayor? whoa.

poster123

(14 posts)
23. Frustration
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 07:35 PM
Aug 2014
Just as the protesters are frustrated." If was a kid, assuming indoctrination into a midwestern police department, having a hefty-looking and obviously furious kid jump in rhe car and attempt to wrestle a service revolver out of my posession, would I take the time for well-reasoned 'press release quality' statements?
Get real. St. Louis is not, and has never been, the town James Garner occupied in the TV series The Virginian. That's a romantic and dated impression of a town with no industry and no education, a dirt road strip mall of gambling, drinking and whore -houses. I consider many postings here, to have been after reflecting on the local town, and assuming that it is,in fact, an abysmal southern pit.
When my sister's boyfriend was put in intensive care for six months in 1968 by a shotgun blast from an Alameda County sheriff's deputy, the locals did not storm Berkeley calling for S.I. Hayakawa's indictment. (He called that ultraright county enforcement agency and asked to quell student protest marches.) Governor Reagan, always the suburban middle-class hero, honestly called in the National Guard to avoid escalating the violence; this was during Vietnam, with lots of real nut cases and the still-terrifying Black Panthers arming and training military-style. Take your pick, deep south or elsewhere, it's not right for rational adults to permit their emotions to surface and rule in large public (herd rule) settings. Of course, it's as presumptuous and wrong of me to address others feelings as it is Ferguson' s mayor. My hopes that St. Louis quickly recovers and returns to the most depressing city in the nation, where 'show-me' means having tp prove yourself day in and day out, without hopes for a better future. I'll gladly (my feelings) leave it to those poor souls living there, to sort out and deal with their issues. A story here of road rage to me, and a message of what violence begats. They can have it, I'm not buying today. And please don't jump into my car!

Brigid

(17,621 posts)
24. I, Brigid, do hereby claim the right to second-guess . . .
Thu Aug 14, 2014, 08:31 PM
Aug 2014

Anybody who shoots an unarmed person standing there with their hands up.

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