Michael Brown suspect in robbery before he was shot to death, police say

[Bacchus4.0]

Source: cnn

http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/15/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

Investigators named Michael Brown, the teen shot and killed by police in a St. Louis suburb, as a suspect in a convenience store robbery that occurred moments before the shooting, according to Ferguson police documents released Friday. The documents say Brown stole cigars.

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(CNN) -- Now we have a name.

Darren Wilson is the police officer who shot and killed Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, police Chief Thomas Jackson told reporters Friday.


Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/15/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

[bravenak]

1. And i say you cannot shoot shoplifters.

Period. Even if they're BIG AND BLACK.

[FarPoint]

2. Exactly!

Petty theft is a misdemeanor I believe.....the shoot to kill for a pack of cigs???

Anyone can be a suspect. .this is all distraction gargon. Taken straight out of the GOP playbook.

[DearAbby]

129. It was cigars, not cows for God'sake!

they were too heavy handed at. The Bundy Ranch, but cigars, empty your clip!


If this were the case why didn't they release this information sooner? Why wait five days and wach the situation get out of control? seize the opportunity to play with their war toys? The reason it was puchased in the first place?

[JimDandy]

145. The cop murders this boy and then murders his reputation

Disgusting, disgusting disgusting. Shame on the whole Ferguson Police department, but especially the cop who murdered him and the police captain for cooking up a 'justification' for this murder.

His family must be livid.

The horrible thing is, they probably are absolutely confident they can make this lie stick, and that they have the prosecutor in their pocket, or they wouldn't expose themselves to multiple other criminal charges (accessory after the fact, lying on a police report etc.)

THIS is why they waited...

[Fred Sanders]

9. And unarmed in the middle of the street at high noon with a friend smoking a stolen cigar.

Thanks for the clear post with the actual report.

Now, for the murder report.....

[bravenak]

38. Who tha fuck said he had ANY Cigars in his mouth? Did you see video of him smoking?

Lets be clear. Swishers are two for a dollar. A box costed me fifteen bucks last time i had a party. You fill them with weed. Don't be dum.

[Fred Sanders]

43. You missed the sarcasm, sorry, it is always a risk...I meant to imply doing even abnormal things,

Combined with normal things, does not get you deserving of murder.....sorry.

And I did not know that about these cigars....look at my avatar, how could I?

[bravenak]

46. I tend to be easy to agitate.

My bad.

[JustAnotherGen]

10. This is such utter bullshit

I'm fucking pissed brave. Like really pissed off.

EVERY SINGLE BLACK MALE WAS A SUSPECT.

That's how that p.d. rolls.

We all know it.

Now where is Michael Brown's extensive juvenile criminal record? That's the next thing - 3 - 2 - 1

[bravenak]

28. But you gotta understand....

When a black kid shoplifts, it's strong arm robbery! When a white kid barrels down the road in his high priced luxury vehicle and kills people, it's 'Affluenza'.
So, to sum it up.... Execution for black kids shoplifting, probation for white kids who kill people with their cars.

I want to bite something.

[JustAnotherGen]

37. I just looked at the image again

Of Michael Brown in the street -

He was wearing khaki pants - at minimum - guy capris

And it looked like a layered white and black t-shirt.

Not a red tank top.

Now I'm confused - if he wasn't dressed exactly as he was in the QuikTrip - were they just looking for a black man?

Because that's what I'm thinking.

I'm thinking my 78 year old light skinned uncle otis with his fro and blue eyes would have gotten shot by this jackhole.

[bravenak]

40. My husband too.

He can just about pass. But still has that 'look' that lets you know his origen.


I do not believe them.

[bravenak]

45. Khaki shorts, grey t-shirt.

Black basketball shorts under his khakis. No red anywhere on his body.

[JustAnotherGen]

48. Um

There is a little bit - but it's not the kind you put on.

[bravenak]

53. I just want to jump off the roof when shit like this goes down.

Thankfully I live in an apartment on the second story. The last time i fell out of a second story window i got not a scratch. My roof is as high as that window was. I'd just end up with a broken ankle.

The red. Was visible. I just want to grab that police chiefs' face and smoosh it.

[JustAnotherGen]

56. Can you find some of the links

Where the dispatcher gave a red tank top as a descriptor?

[bravenak]

63. I'll look.

[bravenak]

151. It was the ballcap that was red.

[JustAnotherGen]

165. Thanks

I was confused by that - I thought I saw him in a pic in a red shirt too. . .

[bravenak]

167. I was too.

Notice it went from a 50 dollar case of cigars to a dollar pack?

[lunasun]

191. 70 ?maybe even if he didn't get off the street and maybe mouthed off at a cop

Becuz what really happened could happen to an older disorientated person who was agitated and I have seen a few stories about older esp. POC folks getting shot in confrontations that could be resolved too. Looks like cops just shoot anyone that pisses them off now or any hassle is an immediate execution sentence if the cop is hot headed enough

[calimary]

69. I'm sorry - that just makes me feel ill.

JustAnotherGen upthread called bullshit? Certainly! But "Affluenza" is the BIG BULLSHIT call here. Well, ONE of 'em, anyway. That kid who got off for "Affluenza" should be IN JAIL. For mowing people down and killing them. In JAIL - at best! (Um... that case sounded like first-degree with special circumstances to me, but again, I'm not a lawyer as I asserted elsewhere here yesterday.)

But you get shot for stealing a few little cigars? And you're left bleeding and dying in the street? Without anybody even checking to see if you can be resuscitated? For stealing a pack of little cigars? Excuse me? And are we absolutely sure it was Michael Brown in those store photos? And was he armed? If you had to shoot, why didn't you aim for shooting him in the leg? And if he turns around and throws his hands up (empty hands, too) you keep shooting??????????? And they couldn't have been forthcoming with ANY of this - maybe Sunday or Monday?????????? (Not that it makes any difference, really, stealing a pack of cigarillos, alleged thief is un-armed?)

I want to bite something, too, bravenak.

[bravenak]

92. Disgusting.

A five dollar pack of swisher sweets is now a 'strong arm robbery'. And we don't even know that he actually STOLE anything. He may have just got into a confrontation with somebody accusing him of stealing. I have been accused and handcuffed. Nothing in my bag. Only my makeup. The guy screamed in my face and called me all kinds of dirty names. I ended up beating him with my gucci purse after the security guard uncuffed me.
I suppose i should have been shot as a strong arm robber. I hit him good with my purse. Spit was flying out of his mouth in my face. I hit him and hit him. The security had to stop me and grab him and take him to the back. That's normal for people who look like me in America. Store owners feel no compunction about screaming nd antagonizing black people for shopping.

Remember those black men arrested at Barneys for useing their OWN fredit cards?

Cigars are kept behind the counter out of reach of customers. I used to work at Holiday. If somebody stole we wrote it off as shrinkage and refused to sell to them again. That was procedure. You do not get into their face and confront then in the manner i saw on the snapshots. That is aginst procedure. There is a manual. And a test.

[CreekDog]

207. and like Trayvon Martin, they can assassinate his character and he can't defend his own name

[alp227]

71. Earlier the police said Brown had no record

http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/13/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting-no-criminal-background/14023731/

[JustAnotherGen]

73. That's what I thought

So what are they gonna make up so Fox can sell advertising.

[PatSeg]

11. And its an interesting choice of words

"Robbery" instead of "shoplifting" - "Convenience store robbery" sounds like an armed robbery. They're going to try and paint the dead boy as a thug, which still isn't going to justify murdering an unarmed person with their hands up.

[dhill926]

17. good point...

[CrispyQ]

64. "Strong arm robbery." The police chief kept saying it over & over in the presser,

I agree, they are trying to paint Michael as a thug to justify their killing.

[George II]

88. Did you see the surveillance photographs?

[CrispyQ]

136. They didn't show photos or video footage at the time of the presser. -nt

[George II]

153. The stills have been all over CNN and MSNBC all morning, the videos were just released

[PatSeg]

93. When everyone knows

that being a young black man is all the justification that they need in this country.

[RoverSuswade]

99. They tried the same thing with Trevon Martin.

Declaring his past behavior justified his murder.

[PatSeg]

143. Try to criminalize the victim

who of course can't defend himself. How much loss do they expect his family to suffer? So cowardly and so predictable.

[Baclava]

156. 'Strong-arm robbery' is a term used where the  offender used any degree of force, it's a felony

[Roland99]

163. Images of the body in the street very much match those of the man here.

Makes no sense


But, regardless, does NOT justify being murdered!

[BobbyBoring]

193. exactly

Although it only took 5 days, someone noticed that the dead kid laying in the street had on the same clothes as the guy in the video.
Leave it to the slueths at faux to Figure that out.

[wordpix]

216. link to images? thanks

[Roland99]

243. The post to which I replied

[Recursion]

150. "Robbery" means a physical or verbal confrontation most places

Though that varies by state. When I was working in a gas station in MS we were told to say "stop" (but not try to stop them), because that changed it from shoplifting to robbery. No idea what the law is in MO though.

[PatSeg]

176. I worked in retail for years in Illinois

and minor theft of merchandise was referred to as "shoplifting", whereas theft of money was considered "robbery". Confrontation would have been considered robbery.

[warrant46]

244. Strong arm robbery

Once he put his hands on the clerk it became a felony

[L0oniX]

12. Cops shooting people over material possessions is always wrong.

I will never accept the shooting of anyone who steals a car or anything else. It's material objects and they do not equate in any way to the value of human life.

[valerief]

20. Exactly. This reminds me how some cops don't give a shit who they might kill

during car chases. They want what they want and fuck all else. Crazy shits.

[cstanleytech]

55. No you cannot shoot them however you can stop and question suspects

which if that is what initially happened is a far cry from the whole officer just came along and shot him for just being in the street people were gnashing their teeth over.
In the end though since none of us here were there we need to wait for the FBI to conclude its investigation.

[1StrongBlackMan]

70. Per the witness statement ...

No you cannot shoot them however you can stop and question suspects

The "stop" was driving by the "suspect(s)" and telling him/them to get out of the street and to walk on the sidewalk ... and the "questioning" was asking: "What did you say?", when the "suspect(s)" mouthed off.

[cstanleytech]

80. See #75

It could explain the whole officer wanting him off the street.
Like I said though its best to wait until after the investigation is completed by the FBI as there are just alot of things that could have happened and if the shooting was justified of if the cops just an asshole who needs to be in jail.

[George II]

87. It's not simply a case of shoplifting.....people should really wait to get the whole story..

...did you see the surveillance photographs? Looks like assault, too. And we don't know anything beyond that.

It's not "big and black", it's assault and robbery and possibly more that we don't know about yet.

The more I see, the less I think that it's as one-sided as it appeared a few days ago.

[bravenak]

96. Bullshit!!

I worked at a gas station. Procedure was to NOT get into a shoplifters face. We would refuse service and call the police if the amount was high enough. If sonebody got in my face and grabbed at me accusing me of stealing, i'd smack the shit out of them. Stay behind the counter. Like the cigarillos. The cigarillos are not within ANYBODY's arms reach. Even Shaq cannot reach out and steal cigars from quickie marts.

We had to keep them AWAY from minors. Therefore, they are ALWAYS kept a hoid distance AWAY from the register. It's easier to steal cigarettes, they put them in the overhead slots. Bullshit.

I will not be spoonfed lies in order to justify a cop gunning down a kid in cold blood. He shot him while he was running AWAY!

Jumping out of my window now, thanks alot DU. I'll break my ankle for sure.

[George II]

119. Oh...I see now....it was the convenience store's clerk who was at fault!

[bravenak]

121. What was?

The fact that he physically tried to confront a shoplifter suspect and lock him inside the store. I'd push him out of my way too. You can't hold people hostage. And if you attempt a citizens arrest, you better be aware that you may get pushed put of the way.

[Reter]

130. Actually you can hold shoplifters hostage

Locking the door is legal.

[bravenak]

131. Do that at your own risk.

What a perilous endeavor!! I'd not suggest that to anyone. Recipe for a beatdown. Lock me in a store and i'll kick the glass to pieces. I do not take well to hostage situations with me as the hostage. What a dumb idea. Lock yourself in with the 'strong arm robber.' If he was so scared, wtf would he lock himself in with the guy? Seems like he was the AGGRESSOR.

[George II]

157. Preventing a robber/shoplifter from leaving isn't a "hostage situation"

[bravenak]

160. Yes it is to the holdee.

And you better be damn sure you can take a guy that you accuse of a crime and try to physically hold hostage.

Better to not touch a 'strong arm robber' and lock yourself in with a 'strong arm robber'.

You can't blame anyone if you try to hold a guy twice your size, lock him into a store with you, and think you are going to keep him there by force.

Why the hell do people think they are the police and can just lock somebody in against their will? What a stupid idea!!! Locking yourself in and holding a 'strong arm robber' hostage.

[Reter]

212. Now you know why many shop owners are armed

No way could this owner have detained him fair and square, and letting him go isn't an option either.

[bravenak]

213. Why is letting him go not an 'option'?

It was a PACK of cigars!!! A two liter coke costs more. So does a hagen daaz ice cream. What a stupid statement!! Letting him go is not a option.

[Reter]

228. So if you see someone open your car door and take a CD or two of equal value, let him go

After all, it isn't worth much, right?

[bravenak]

229. Um, yea.

They must be in a bad way if they're stealing CD's. Things mean nothing to me. I would probably ask if everything was ok. If not and I had extra money to spare, I'd give them 50 bucks on top of that.
Humanism. Try it sometimes.

[Reter]

232. Only a fool would give money to a theif

No thanks, I'll never try it.

[bravenak]

233. Jesus would give money to a thief.

[Reter]

234. We're not Jesus

n/t

[bravenak]

235. We should be.

[Reter]

239. I give to the poor all the time, despite being borderline poor myself

Giving to thieves however is not something I would to.

[bravenak]

240. That's nice.

I'm different. I let people get away with little stuff, and focus on real shit.

[Reter]

241. I give stuff away that I don't need

But I can't just let someone take something I do need.

[bravenak]

242. You shouldn't.

But if they do, don't shoot.

[notadmblnd]

161. I worked at a gas station too and they did not care what the customers stole and we were told.

not to chase them, even if they stole a tank of gas. They only worried about what their employees stole. All cameras were pointed on the clerk and the cash register at all times.

[bravenak]

162. Exactly..

I had a camera on my register and lock box. They only care about the money. And we were told that in case of robbery, give them ALL of the money in our till. Do not hesitate. Just let them have it.

[PatSeg]

104. I think its interesting

that it took the police almost a week to release this information, especially when they've been under attack all week. This just does not smell right and in many respects it makes it worse.

edit for typos

[DeadLetterOffice]

127. This, yes, exactly. n/t

[Delphinus]

146. I am with

*you* on this. Something stinks.

[PatSeg]

230. And the police chief

claimed they released the video only because the media requested it, but could not identify who requested it. That guy is such a bad lair, he gets so nervous during these press conferences.

[wordpix]

218. what's really fishy is why Brown got 2 first shots in the back while running

and then 5 more when he turned around. Did the cop know Brown and there was bad blood between them?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/man-may-have-live-tweeted-michael-brown-death.html

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/witness-michael-brown-photo-dead_n_5683166.html

The PD has been covering up since Day 1. The police chief could barely make any sense today, to the point one reporter asked, "What are you saying?"

[PatSeg]

231. I hadn't heard about the tweets

It appears that the witnesses accounts are all pretty consistent. This police department has been getting away with crap for a long time and its finally catching up with them.

[heaven05]

113. ????

you really need to quit.

[savalez]

115. The real headline should be:

Michael Brown suspect in robbery AFTER he was shot to death, police say

[bravenak]

120. Bingo!!

The camera didn't see him steal anything. It showed the shopkeeper come and confront the victim to physically prevent him from leaving the store. He got pushed to the side. I was always told to stay behind the counter when people were in the store. And to log the missing items in. Not physically confront a suspect.

[billhicks76]

204. Don't Buy The Lie

Covering their dirty tracks.

[wordpix]

214. totally agree and if you want to stop someone big and bad

use the taser, not the gun.

[bravenak]

215. I think he shot him, then realized that it was a mistake .

Then he had to kill him so he couldn't tell his side. The police chief is an idiot. The whole department needs to be fired and let securitas or guardian security handle it until they get new police from inside the town of Ferguson. Security guards rarely shoot. My stepdad was in the Marine corps during Vietnam. He said he caught a kid with a grenade one day. He asked the kid to hand it over and held out his hand. The kid gave it up. Then they fed the kid. It sounds like our military handles teens better than our local police.

[wordpix]

219. you've got a plausible theory

Mine (movie version) is they knew each other and had bad blood between them. Maybe Wilson was involved in drug sales and something went down with Brown he didn't like.

According to believable witness @ThreePharoahs, Brown was shot first 2x in back while running away, 5x in front when he turned around. Also tweeted that he didn't see any reason for the shooting.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/witness-michael-brown-photo-dead_n_5683166.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/man-may-have-live-tweeted-michael-brown-death.html

Cop is either out of his mind or one of our theories may be correct.

[bravenak]

220. I bet one of us has it right.

None of the cops actions make sense. And the way they are playing it is shameful.

[wordpix]

221. definitely a coverup by PD. The chief was positively incoherent today

He kept stammering, pausing, looking around furtively. One of the reporters asked, "What are you saying?" or something to that effect. Then chief said Brown was accosted for walking in the street and Wilson didn't know anything about the store theft. But soon the chief said Wilson saw the cigars so thought Brown was the thief. geesh. The PD couldn't be any worse. No wonder the locals are pissed with a PD like that; even without this incident they're a nightmare.

[wordpix]

222. by these witnesses' reports, there was a tussle at the cop car first

http://fox2now.com/2014/08/14/witnesses-to-michael-browns-shooting-detail-his-last-minutes/

so I'm revising my theory. I now think the cop has an anger management issue and he just went nuts when Brown wouldn't obey.

snip “It looked as if Michael was pushing off and the cop was trying to pull him in,” Tiffany Mitchell told CNN on Wednesday night.

[bravenak]

223. That's what i think too.

Got mad, shot him, then had to chase him to finish him off. He knew he would get away with it.

[wordpix]

226. another eyewitness account

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

So far, 4 eyewitnesses I've read about. Thank goodness Holder's in charge instead of the PD

[bravenak]

227. Funny how everyone BUT THE COPS have the same story.

I hope they feel stupid and under pressure. The chief looked like a nervous stuttering fool at the presser.

[Kennah]

236. Unfortunately, we're finding that police can shoot black people for any reasons

[bravenak]

237. Yes.

[bigdarryl]

3. So is the person robbing the store in the video Browm?

[Fred Sanders]

5. I think there is little doubt....now what happened in between?

[NutmegYankee]

22. I think there is still a LOT of doubt.

[Fred Sanders]

29. The Ferguson police would have more evidence than just the video to make a positive I.D.

they would appear to also have the eyewitness accounts of two other people, including the friend of Brown, Johnston.

And maybe others in or near the store. And a clothing match.

That is usually how they do it. This report is the executive summary, it will be on top of an inches thick file.

The crucial part is the second report, the murder report and supporting evidence to the report.

[NutmegYankee]

39. Uh huh.

I'm not buying that bridge.

[Fred Sanders]

41. Well, I am not trying to sell it, I am trying to say it like I see it, not like the media sees it.

Social media or otherwise, otherwise I am just another follower led by the nose in one tribal camp or the other.

[NutmegYankee]

58. And you don't find it highly suspicious that they released this after 6 days?

I think they have nothing but a great cover story they've been manufacturing. I highly doubt a man about to go to college would rob a place for cigars. I don't see a man with a clean record and college bound throwing that away. The police want everyone to believe that any black man is a potential felon as this is the heart of their world view and the justification in their minds for their brutality.

[Fred Sanders]

76. Well, let me just say I have had personal experience with the irrational exuberance of youth and

what immaturity can do to some college bound, criminal record free, from a good family 18 year olds.

I am just reserving full judgment until all the evidence is in, the media is not, I am in the minority, I get it, no point to keep going on and on about it.

[LovingA2andMI]

83. OBVIOUSLY.....

You never worked in LAW ENFORCEMENT.

Look, let's break this down a bit. An unarmed suspect, allegedly stole 8-10 cigarillos from a store. The suspect allegedly grabbed the victim (crime victim allegedly) during the incident.

Thirty minutes later, the office investigating the alleged robbery sees a suspect matching the description walking down the street.

What do you do?

FIRST: FOLLOW the suspect and CALL for back up to confront the suspect.
SECOND: After back-up is on the scene, confront the suspect.
THREE: If the suspect runs, the officers engage in a SMALL pursue. If the suspect flees completely, use the VIDEO from the CRIME SCENE to positively id the suspect.
FOUR: Go to the suspect home, with back-up. Ask the suspect questions if allowed. If not, request the suspect after obtaining his or her LAWYER, have the suspect come to the police station for identification.
FIVE: Positively id the suspect based on the FELLOW person accompanying the suspect in the video.
SIXTH: Refer the case over to prosecutor for charges.

GUESS WHAT HAPPENS in this scenario? NO ONE IS DEAD over stealing 8 FREAKING CIGARILLOS or shot in the streets 8-10 times like a dog.

GET A GRIP!!!!

[Fred Sanders]

85. Of course the scenario breaks down at THREE, infinite variables of fact and response after that.

[FarPoint]

101. yes...you call for back up first...

That never happened.

[BobbyBoring]

206. Hold on here

Up until today, there was no suspect. When Brown was killed, there was no knowledge he was in the store. Someone put this together after noticing the similarities between the dead kid in the street and the guy in the video.

[jeff47]

89. No, a competent police department would have more evidence

The Ferguson PD have demonstrated that they are not a competent police department.

[ReRe]

140. What I would like to see....

.... is the complete autopsy report. Does Mike Brown's clothes match up with the man at the convenience store? What happened to the box of cigars? Were any of the cigars in Mike's pocket? Prints anywhere?

What about his friend. What was he wearing? Did the police take the friend in on that day and ask HIM some questions? If not, why not?

I just hate it when they piece-meal the facts.

And if Mike Brown's family sees the convenience store tape today, could we expect to hear from them? i.e., whether they recognize the person on the tape as Michael?

Where's that GD box of cigars?

[ballyhoo]

31. Little doubt?

[L0oniX]

23. Is there any original reporting of that "robbery" in the press? I haven't seen shit about it.

[ReRe]

141. That's a good question...

... I'll see if I can find something in print...

[L0oniX]

4. I'm calling this ...media bullshit.

[ballyhoo]

42. Creation of a convenient charge subsequent to a more serious one to the cop.

Maybe the cop's name was really Cheney.

[SaltyBro]

6. He just shoplifted some stupid cigars!

We all did stuff like that when we were teenagers. Let this kid RIP already!!!

[JustAnotherGen]

50. Until he's been tried in a court of law

Eh . . . he doesn't get that now?

It's just -

He stole.

So he had to die.

Funny how that works for us black folks eh? We just get shot. Those thugs and punks ALWAYS get away with it.

Always.

[savalez]

82. He didn't shoplift anything. That's not him in the photo.

[cojoel]

139. If it were the same person

He would have had to ditch the cigars and cap, lose some weight, and become younger in age, all in a very short period of time.

[Codeine]

149. Actually, we didn't all do that. nt

[Recursion]

152. you stole stuff as a teenager?

And grew up somewhere that everybody did that?

[cheapdate]

205. I shoplifted as a teenager

and I had plenty of friends who did the same. We drag-raced cars in the street, drove in "caravans" across the the state line to Mississippi to dance at honkey-tonks and drink beer, fought over girls, jumped off of bridges into rivers, skipped school to go to Dauphin Island, etc., etc. etc.

So, yeah, I'm well aware that not every body acted like this when they were young, but a lot of young men did growing up in Mobile, Alabama in the 1970s.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

7. Whether Brown punched the officer in the car or not

(which I assume the police are saying was likely because he might have been a robbery suspect) you can't shoot an unarmed fleeing man in the back who's holding up his arms and saying don't shoot. If the police are saying Michael Brown was a bad person, it doesn't give the police the right to murder him.

[crazylikafox]

8. It took them a week to come up with this story???

[PatSeg]

14. Good point

If he had been stopped because he was REALLY a suspect in a so-called "robbery" (shoplifting), it would have come out right away.

[L0oniX]

16. The blue code choir had to rehearse the song.

[A Simple Game]

26. I remember it being mentioned but I think the protests overshadowed this part of the story.

I even seem to recall that part of the reason he was checked out was because of the nearby robbery.

Of course this was no reason for his murder, and that is what it was, murder. But being as I am a liberal, I say we treat the murderer better than he treated his victim. I say we give him a trial.

[dixiegrrrrl]

27. My thoughts exactly.

That is why the dispatch tapes that Anonymous released are so important.
They have the report after the shooting, in which there are NO police calling for EMS or reporting "shots fired".
If they can go back and get the earlier tapes of the store robbery...
(which may not exist or may have been destroyed).

Cops have had a week to figure out a story.

[rurallib]

44. Truly sounds like a story cooked up during late nights with some beer

"Jesus, boys, we gotta charge that kid with something or our goose is cooked."

[still_one]

77. Even if it isn't "cooked", there is NO justification for what the police did.

[Crowman1979]

13. IMO, the entire Ferguson Police Department has been lying their asses off the whole time!

Not only with lying about the victim, but lying about the protesters as well. I wouldn't be surprised if they had a few provocateurs in the crowd as well. Just like other police departments in larger cities have done in these past few years.

[exboyfil]

15. But it does go to Brown and his companion's state of mind

when they encountered the police officer. We are relying on the statement of his companion, a potential accomplice to a strong arm robbery, for the narrative of how the encounter first started. That narrative is now suspect. Also Brown now has a reason to not comply with an officer which may have been what led to the initial struggle. The initial meme was that this was a good kid who would have no reason to struggle with an officer. If he engaged in a strong arm robbery before his encounter with the police officer then he would have some motivation to struggle.

The initial struggle is still not an excuse, after the officer and Brown disengaged, with later shooting him. Hopefully the forensic evidence will reveal whether he was shot fleeing or shot after he was on the ground. Also at what distance was he shot.

[Bacchus4.0]

18. Lots of unanswered questions yet n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

61. Really ...

the narrative is now suspect?

Hopefully the forensic evidence will reveal whether he was shot fleeing or shot after he was on the ground.

The, now, suspect witness statements indicate both ... he was shot will fleeing and then a couple more times as he was headed to and on the ground.

[oldandhappy]

19. What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

What happened to the punishment should fit the crime?
What happened to common sense?
A cigar vs. a tank?
I am glad that the militarization of the police in America is now more visible. Will the conversation continue? Donno.

[marble falls]

21. Where are the cigars? Where is the video from the store? Summary justice isn't justice.

[hrmjustin]

24. I fi d this suspect. Why take this long to release this and they never said cigars were found by his

body.

That video is too distorted to identify him.

[d_b]

25. That's great and all

but why was he gunned down if he was 10, 15 feet away with his hands in the air? It doesn't matter if he was a cigar box thief or a serial killer.

[jwirr]

30. So this so called police department thinks that if you are a SUSPECT it is fine to shot you not once

but until you are dead? What happened to the trial and jury system?

[L0oniX]

32. Darren Wilson ...suspected wife beater ...(police say) no ...I say!

So when police say it it's the truth now? That's laughable.

[wordpix]

224. I would not doubt it since he apparently has anger management issues

Brown wouldn't obey so Wilson chases him down and shoots him. Lucky his wife wasn't at the other end of his gun

[Iggo]

33. Bull-fucking-shit!

If he was a robbery suspect they would have been saying "robbery suspect" a hundred times a day for the last six days.

They're making it up and it's sickeningly obvious.

[harun]

178. Once all the Corporate Media parrots this for long enough, it will make it so.

[Nye Bevan]

34. We don't have the death penalty for robbery.

And alleged robbers are still entitled to due process. Summary execution is always wrong.

[leftynyc]

35. Did CNN even bother to mention this:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-were-caught-in-a-bloody-lie.html

The officers got the wrong man, but charged him anyway—with getting his blood on their uniforms. How the Ferguson PD ran the town where Michael Brown was gunned down.
Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him.

“On and/or about the 20th day of Sept. 20, 2009 at or near 222 S. Florissant within the corporate limits of Ferguson, Missouri, the above named defendant did then and there unlawfully commit the offense of ‘property damage’ to wit did transfer blood to the uniform,” reads the charge sheet.

The address is the headquarters of the Ferguson Police Department, where a 52-year-old welder named Henry Davis was taken in the predawn hours on that date. He had been arrested for an outstanding warrant that proved to actually be for another man of the same surname, but a different middle name and Social Security number.

“I said, ‘I told you guys it wasn’t me,’” Davis later testified.

He recalled the booking officer saying, “We have a problem.”



I'll never believe one word that comes out of that incompetent police department.

[Gormy Cuss]

36. Shoplifting isn't robbery. Unless MO has some really unusual statutes, shoplifting is theft.

Robbery requires force or the the threat of force (e.g. pointing a gun at someone and demanding property.)
Slipping a couple of cigars under your shirt is a minor theft.

[exboyfil]

59. Look at the snapshots of the video

The man the police identify as Brown apparently lays his hands on who I believe is the storekeeper. The storekeeper after the disengagement is clutching his throat (or at least has his hand near his throat). That is strong arm robbery and not shop lifting.

Robbery in the second degree.

569.030. 1. A person commits the crime of robbery in the second degree when he forcibly steals property.

2. Robbery in the second degree is a class B felony.
(2) For a class B felony, a term of years not less than five years and not to exceed fifteen years;

Still to be determined whether Brown is in that video.

[Gormy Cuss]

65. What video? I didn't see one in the OP.

And yes, the statute you posted is consistent with what I wrote about robbery vs. shoplifting. Force or intimidation are necessary.

[1StrongBlackMan]

81. It's posted on drudgereport ...

or some such impartial site (No doubt) ... so it's understandable that most here missed it ... but not others.

[ballyhoo]

74. Whether the proximate cause of the apprehension of Brown was strongarm

robbery or not, this does not allow a cop to shoot a potential or actual perpetrator of this possible act in cold blood while said person is holding his hands up in response to actual or suggested orders from the cop.

[LovingA2andMI]

125. We Agree!

It is a Robbery that is allegedly shown in the still pictures and the video. The video has been released on MSNBC and the entire incident was less than 45 sections.

The Suspect appears in the video attempt to walk out of a store holding the alleged cigarillo's stolen in hand.

The alleged Victim runs in front of the door of the store, allegedly to stop the Suspect from leaving the location with the alleged cigarillo's stolen.

The Suspect pushes the alleged Victim out of the exit door of the store, near a store rack, and immediately let's go of the Victim in less than 10 sections.

The Suspect proceed to walk out of the door with another individual.

The Victim begins to re-approach the Suspect again.

The Suspect turns to the left to re-approach the Victim, however does not re-confront the Victim in any assaultive way. Words are exchanged.

The Suspect turns back to the right towards the store door and walks out of the door with the alleged Cigarillo's, with another individual.

The Victim approaches the door and appears to be yelling out of the door, while holding the door.

The Suspect is not seen again in the video at this point.

NOW....since that is out of the way, the force used by Law Enforcement Official DARREN WILSON in response to this alleged Robbery was excessive! To shoot an Alleged Suspect in a alleged Robbery 8-10 Times in the streets like a DOG for allegedly pushing a store clerk after allegedly stealing Cigarillo's, this action DOES NOT fit the nature of the alleged crime!

Officer DARREN WILSON should be charged with Murder in the First Degree and Police Chief Thomas Jackson MUST RESIGN from the Ferguson Police Department for failing to train his staff in proper procedures in engaging criminal suspects, along with failing to instruct his staff to call for BACK-UP as a MANDATORY ACTION for engaging a suspect in an alleged robbery WITHOUT a WEAPON.

The Force Used DOES NOT FIT the ALLEGED CRIME. In addition, Ferguson Police Chief THOMAS JACKSON must be FORCED to RESIGN for TAINTING the investigation of the KILLING of Mike Brown!

[jberryhill]

154. You've eliminated a possibility

The confrontation in the store may have been over attempting to purchase tobacco products without ID.

[1StrongBlackMan]

47. Yes, because Police Officers frequently ...

roll up to "robbery suspects" and tell them to get out of the street and walk on the sidewalk, then proceed on until the "robbery suspect" mouths off.

[historylovr]

135. Yes, that is just ... well this news stinks of a cover up or something.

It doesn't make sense, that's for certain. No way would a cop be that casual about a "suspect."

[1StrongBlackMan]

137. Besides ...

it appears that the "robbery suspect angle" is falling apart. http://upload.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5390566

But as I wrote in response to the above:

The Police Department would go a long way towards establishing credibility by calling a press conference, and:

1) Disavowing the "robbery angle";

2) Announcing that the Officer, and everyone with knowledge that this "angle" was to be used, has been fired, if not, arrested for conspiring to impede the investigation, and/or cover up what appears to be a wrongful action.

[historylovr]

142. I didn't see that yet. Thanks.

Of course by now Faux "News" will be reporting this robbery angle with gusto, and Michael Brown will be taller, bigger, and loaded down with an arsenal.

But good, very good, to see this "robbery suspect" business is already falling apart. I don't know if the Police Department in Ferguson will hang onto it or not, maybe out of desperation to justify this murder. If they do, they'll look even worse than the Sanford PD, and that's saying something.

[truth2power]

49. Police say?

Well, that's it, then. Case closed.

Sounds like the narrative is being constructed.

[BeyondGeography]

51. Here comes a mountain of bullshit

Little nimrods sitting around building their bullshit narrative all week before they release the cop's name because they no that's a whole new shit storm for them.

Per the witness who was with him at the time of the incident, this confrontation started because Michael Brown was told to walk on the "fucking sidewalk," and apparently didn't hop to it the way the officer wanted. It had nothing to do with questioning a robbery suspect.

[iamthebandfanman]

52. oh well that changes everything

and totally makes the murder of an unarmed person acceptable...


oh wait.

[cstanleytech]

68. It doesnt change everything but it does change it a bit in that remember people

initially were under the impression the officer just came along, stopped the kid for no reason and then shot him but if he was a suspect in a crime then the officer had a reason to atleast question him though that is assuming the whole thing about there even being a robbery isnt complete and utter BS.

[Dustlawyer]

54. If he was a suspect in the "robbery" then why did the officer yell at them to get out of the street?

Why did he not stop, get out of his patrol car and ask for I.D.? Their story doesn't match with the facts. Were cigars found on his body? If so, were they planted? The stories all say the cops ignored the body for hours, did they not search him to look for the stolen cigars? If they found marijuana in his blood they will argue he stole the cigars to make blunts. Maybe this is why they waited until the autopsy results to come out with their story.

Lots of unanswered questions!

[cstanleytech]

75. Cops tend not to block the middle of streets or atleast in my area when they pull someone over its

always to the curb and or to a side road but never in the middle of a street.

[1StrongBlackMan]

84. Are you intentionally leaving out the part about ...

the police officer yelling get out on the sidewalk, DRIVING OFF, STOPPING, BACKING UP and asking "What did you say?"

Or are you unfamiliar with the witness' statement and are just explaining by ear?

[cstanleytech]

103. No I am not intentionally leaving anything out so chill a bit.

[1StrongBlackMan]

116. So you're just unfamiliar with the witness statement? eom.

[cstanleytech]

200. No, I am saying we need to wait as the investigation is not finished. nt

[CreekDog]

208. we need to wait to talk about it until the investigation is finished?

tell you what, YOU wait.

we'll talk.

[cstanleytech]

209. Talking is fine, the rush to judgement one way or the other is what I am talking about. nt

[CreekDog]

210. well apparently you want to wait for confirmation that it's not ok to kill an unarmed man

eff that.

[cstanleytech]

211. Wrong. I just prefer to know exactly happended for sure but clearly you dont. nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

90. Here, this might help ... or not ...

The officer demanded that the two “get the f—k on the sidewalk,” Johnson says. “His exact words were get the f—k on the sidewalk.”

After telling the officer that they were almost at their destination, Johnson’s house, the two continued walking. But as they did, Johnson says the officer slammed his brakes and threw his truck in reverse, nearly hitting them.

Now, in line with the officer’s driver’s side door, they could see the officer’s face. They heard him say something to the effect of, “what’d you say?” At the same time, Johnson says the officer attempted to thrust his door open but the door slammed into Brown and bounced closed. Johnson says the officer, with his left hand, grabbed Brown by the neck.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/eyewitness-michael-brown-fatal-shooting-missouri

[savalez]

108. Pretty damning stuff.

IMO it doesn't mesh with the "suspect" angle at all.

[CRH]

147. Perhaps you can clarify.

I saw this interview from Johnson on the news. It was before it was known Johnson was at very least, present at the robbery. Then my thoughts start to wander to the perspective behind this eye witness account. Then the still photos produced from the security tapes, show that Michael Brown is a huge man. I guess my confusion with Johnson's account is how does the officer in the car while sitting in his seat grab a very large and strong man through the window by the neck? For me this eye witness account is confusing? Do you have any further information on this?

[1StrongBlackMan]

148. Do you own a truck ...

or have you ever ridden in a truck? it's not very difficult to reach out and grab someone by the neck, while seated ... in fact, I would argue that the larger the grabee, the easier the grab.

[bravenak]

155. And..

If the cop couldn't grab HIM, how could Mike have possibly grabbed his gun?

[1StrongBlackMan]

164. You know them negroes have magical powers. eom.

[bravenak]

166. No wonder they snatched us up.

Lazy negroes, saving the 'magic' to do 'strong arm robberies'. There are cotton fields to pick and jails to go to and abortions to get.

Ahhh, I miss those days of cotton picking and lashings!! I sometimes think that some are just angry they don't own us anymore. Many were bitter about losing their property. Some still are. Kinda like 'if i can't own you, i 'll kill you.

[1StrongBlackMan]

168. And, don't forget ...

Lazy negroes, saving the 'magic' to do 'strong arm robberies'. There are cotton fields to pick and jails to go to and abortions to get.

white womens to bed!

[bravenak]

169. Oh, they really think about that tooooo much!!!

You member that time that one told somebody we know to blank a black mans blank? Earlier this week? A drunk male one stepped to me and my husband and worried about his blank for five minutes straight. I was shocked(no i wasn't)!! Dude told him to pull it out, that the size myth was a myth. (Not a myth,)but also not gonna happen. This ain't no breeding farm!!

[jberryhill]

158. "why did the officer yell at them to get out of the street?"

Foundation, counselor?

[muntrv]

57. Does the store have video evidence of Brown shoplifting cigars?

[Bacchus4.0]

72. Looks like they have video of a suspect in the store robbing and pushing a store clerk n/t

[jeff47]

95. No - pushing a clerk that started the altercation.

They don't have video of a robbery.

[bravenak]

97. Um.

As a former CLERK at a gas station. We were not allowed to CONFRONT suspected shoflifters like that. We were to write it on the paperwork and refuse to serve them. There is a device we wore around our necks, like a life alett.

[jeff47]

171. Yet the video shows the clerk starting the altercation. (nt)

[bravenak]

174. Not following procedure is dangerous.

That's what I was told. Never put yourself in danger over a corporations money. My boss said that that was why the insurance was paid. Not worth it for 10 bux an hour.

[LanternWaste]

203. What's the time stamp on the video for the act of robbery?

What's the time stamp on the video for the act of robbery?

[Trillo]

60. All highly scripted by the head murderer.

"He wasn't going to take any questions."

[Anansi1171]

62. White-wing America needs Michael Brown to be a mortal..

...so long as he's imperfect and black, his killing is justified in their view.

[LovingA2andMI]

66. LET'S SPREAD THE FERGUSON POLICE DEPARTMENT SHAME!!!!

The Ferguson Police Department and particularity Police Chief THOMAS JACKSON is trying to "Justify" the shooting of teenager Mike Brown 8-10 times, to stealing 8 Cigarillo's in a store 30 minutes earlier.

So stealing Cigarillo's to Police Chief THOMAS JACKSON and the murdering cop DARREN WILSON means the person should be SHOT 8-10 times in the middle of a PUBLIC STREET in DAYLIGHT, like a DOG.

Really now? Please spread the FERGUSON POLICE DEPARTMENT SHAME in Justifying the EXECUTING of a African-American teenager for stealing allegedly cigarillo's.

Independent Underground News & Talk

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025390122

[bullwinkle428]

67. I'm guessing Mike Brown was also in possession of yellowcake uranium.

[alp227]

78. Prosecutors previously said Brown had no record

on Wednesday: http://www.ksdk.com/story/news/local/2014/08/13/michael-brown-ferguson-shooting-no-criminal-background/14023731/

And it really took police this long to reveal Brown was accused of shoplifting?

[1StrongBlackMan]

86. Well ...

the Prosecutor didn't know what the police officer(s) knew ... because it takes a week to complete the daily contact log. Oh, wait ...

[1StrongBlackMan]

79. I have a feeling that this killing ...

will be as revealing of DU as the TM killing.

Why do some "liberals" always seek to explain "How/Why it is reasonable to suspect that the Black guy caused his own death"; but never feel the need to explain how/why it is reasonable to suspect that the white guy caused his own death ... or pepper-spraying?

[historylovr]

138. I think you're right.

Sadly.

[Tsiyu]

185. Jared Lee Loughner

Caught red-handed after being subdued by bystanders. Killed 6 people, including a district court judge. Permanently injured US Representative Giffords.

Plead guilty to 19 counts of murder and attempted murder, serving a life sentence.

Caucasian.

[1StrongBlackMan]

188. I don't understand the point you are trying to make. ...

[Tsiyu]

196. My bad

I'm trying to say we give Caucasians due process even after they murder. Even when we know the murders were premeditated.

A black kid steals and he suddenly deserves to be executed, his death ruled "acceptable."

We have some serious double standards in the application of justice. In our willingness to blithely accept summary justice based on skin tone.

Sorry I didn't explain.

[1StrongBlackMan]

199. Oh, okay. eom.

[intaglio]

91. As far as I can make out he was a suspect for the robery because

he was black, in the general area and was out late

[Ace Rothstein]

102. Or because he matched the description of the robbery suspect.

This also took place in the afternoon.

[intaglio]

107. And what would that description have been?

Black, heavily built, 6' tall, wearing a T-shirt, brown shorts and sandals.

Wonderful! so much evidence! so convincing!

[Ace Rothstein]

110. Do you have a better way of identifying suspects in a crime?

I'm not saying it was him but the pictures look a lot like Michael Brown.

[intaglio]

117. But officer Stop the Black Man

had not seen that video, had he? He was, according to a police chief who I regard as as being as trustworthy as Rush Limp-bough, responding to a radio message.

Nice try but - fail

[Ace Rothstein]

118. Have you heard the radio message?

For all we know, the description of the suspect in the radio message could have matched Michael Brown exactly. At that point, the officer had the right to stop Michael Brown. What happened after that is where answers still need to be provided.

[intaglio]

123. Have you? A verbal transfer of a verbal description

is a bit like Chinese whispers.

On a call out do you think for one second that the responding officer is going to write and then broadcast an essay? Just go take your simpering excuses elsewhere.

[Ace Rothstein]

173. Simpering excuses? Hardly

The clothes the robbery suspect was wearing and the clothes that the deceased was wearing appear to be an identical match. Must have been a very good verbal description. That right there is probable cause for the police to consider Michael Brown a suspect and stop him on the street. It is from that point on that we don't know what happened and still need answers for.

[intaglio]

177. And your how is that description broadcast?

Are you utterly ignorant of radio protocols?

I see from posts elsewhere that the original broadcast was for a "Tall D/M wearing a white T-shirt"

What about the original police excuse for the stop that Michael Brown was walking in the middle of the street?

Really, you are simpering and making excuses for a killing.

[Ace Rothstein]

182. I haven't made excuses for anything.

As I've said previously, I don't know what happened from the time the officer stopped the deceased until the time Michael Brown was murdered. Neither does anyone else besides the officer, Dorian Johnson and Michael Brown. Unfortunately one is dead and the other two are trying to cover their asses.

All I've said is that the officer had probable cause to stop them in the street due to the match of the robbery suspect and Michael Brown.

[intaglio]

186. But until now you have done nothing but sought excuses

Excuses for the actions of the police officer.

Now you say he had "probable cause" but you misuse the term because it is defined by the Constitution

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized

Now the officer may have had suspicion but was it a reasonable suspicion? Not truly because under the original version of events given by the police Michael Brown was accosted for walking in the middle of the road not on suspicion of assault or robbery.

[Travis_0004]

181. so the officer stopped the correct person and you are claiming racism?

[intaglio]

189. Oh, so you are declaring Michael Brown guilty without trial

How progressive of you.

So presumably anyone can be shot dead without trial on the off chance that they match the description of someone involved in a crime.

But oddly there is a legal concept that may have escaped your notice it is called "Due Process," the duty to ensure the legal rights of the person and that those rights may only be infringed after giving notice and in sufficient detail. In the case of any suspect they must be informed why they have been stopped and if they are fleeing a warning must be given. No-one claims this happened to Mr Brown.

[Travis_0004]

190. I said it wasnt racism when the cop stoppes him

I didnt say anything about the events after that.

[intaglio]

192. Unfortunately for you this police force

Does seem to indulge in racial profiling. Certainly the original account given by the police that Michael Brown was stopped for walking down the middle of the street would leave big questions open as to the motivation of the officer.

[heaven05]

94. Always this BS!!!!!!!

is it on camera that he did this? Release the convenience store tapes/recordings. Always want to make the victim the thug. Goddamn!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Zen Democrat]

97. A "robbery" of swisher sweets? How about the Jameis Winston "robbery" of king crab legs?

Too bad Michael Brown didn't play football ~~

Calling this "robbery" is insane. They imply he held up the place, not that he shoplifted a $2 item.

[gvstn]

100. Apparently, this story has been out on the street for a few days.

I'm not sure everything this guy is saying but he does say the convenience store never reported the incident at the time. That might be important if true. I can't dissect the whole video right now.

[Ace Rothstein]

105. It is also supposedly why "snitches get stitches" was spray painted on the QT.

[gvstn]

109. What is QT?

[Ace Rothstein]

111. The QuikTrip

The robbery supposedly took place at a different store though.

[gvstn]

112. Thank you.

[MADem]

106. I really don't give a crap if he had been a suspect in a triple homicide, a

home invasion, and the theft of an ice cream cone from a toddler.

We all know what "suspect" means. There's a long road between "suspect" and "arraigned" and an even longer road between that and a verdict.

When the police decide to truncate the process by shooting a "suspect" repeatedly so they fall flat on the road with their hands over their head, there's something mighty wrong.

[fredamae]

114. Dear Governor Nixon & FergPolice-Bullshit

You'd have told the country about That Immediately to cover your (imo) Lying asses--No matter what! This Is About His Murder! Period. Being a "suspect" does not authorize you to execute anyone.
For crying out loud-he was College Bound the following Monday! I doubt he'd risk it all shoplifting!
You are already completely Incredible-by your Own hand.
Stop Digging!

[JCMach1]

122. Of Course the Cops Would NEVER Lie

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/15/the-day-ferguson-cops-wer_n_5681363.html

Police in Ferguson, Missouri, once actually charged a man with destruction of property for bleeding on their uniforms while four of them allegedly beat him...

[winter is coming]

124. This is bait for the media, so all the coverage will be about what did/didn't happen at

the convenience store and not about Darren Wilson.

[harun]

179. +1, Bingo

[tea and oranges]

126. Street "justice" executed by vigilante peace officers can not & should not be tolerated.

There are no acceptable circumstances, excuses, or lies.

[grasswire]

128. If you had just committed strong arm robbery...

....would you be walking down the middle of the street in town?

[bravenak]

134. Îf somebody strong arm robbed us....

Would we try to LOCK OURSELVES IN WITH THE ROBBER? Like that guy did?

[historylovr]

132. And this wasn't reported right away because ...

Why?

Okay, so, let's say this young man who'd never done anything criminal before gets a wild hair and decides to rob a store a few days before he goes to college, since when is robbery a capital crime. And if the eyewitness' account is true, it doesn't sound like Officer Wilson was trying to make an arrest but instead trying to be a badass authority figure because he could. This doesn't make sense on any level.

[Liberal_from_va34]

133. So what? That's not a good reason to shoot someone dead

The police are really desperate to come up with an excuse to justify this brutal act. Shameful.

[Marrah_G]

144. Robbery is not a death sentence case.

His life is not default because he has a criminal record.

[lunasun]

159. Anyone -is this a matchup in the video or not ?read dif shoes ,shirt? Any opinions

I can not view At the moment on my own! Would promote more anger if cover up is a question or obvious

[jayfish]

170. Didn't Ferguson PD claim they couldn't release the name of the...

officer involved in the shooting because the investigation was ongoing and he had not been officially charged with a crime? Yet, it's a-OK to release this report, video and the name of Brown as a suspect while the investigation is ongoing and no one has been charged with a crime?

[blkmusclmachine]

172. I call bullsh_t

[Iamthetruth]

175. Well one thing is for sure

There are always two sides of the story and some jumped too soon.

[jayfish]

180. Funny how one side of the story...

has been completely rewritten while the other has remained the same from day-one. This PD should have it's charter removed. It should then be designated an illegal paramilitary force, disbanded and charged with, murder, accessory to murder and incitement to riot.

[Iamthetruth]

238. Does it not trouble you that

The friend with him who said they were just walking down the street not bothering anyone left out the incident in the store? I know it may trouble some but character matters to me.

[U4ikLefty]

183. The author of the OP seems to be following a trend.

Note the author of this OP http://upload.democraticunderground.com/10025379844

curious, eh?

[Vinca]

184. Since when does petty theft merit the death penalty???

[Spitfire of ATJ]

195. Sounds like the Chief has been coached by FOX "News" on what plays well on their channel.

[rhett o rick]

187. He wasn't shot because he committed a crime. He was shot because he didn't obey an

officer and was black. In many cases across the country, people are shot because they don't obey the officer.

When you point a gun at someone, it means "If you don't do what I say, I will kill you." That's what the gun represents.

[Judi Lynn]

194. This information was already posted in LBN this morning well before this thread was posted:

Efilroft Sul Fri Aug 15, 2014, 08:55 AM

Police identify officer, allege teen robbed store

Associated Press
By DAVID A. LIEB and ALAN SCHER ZAGIER
35 minutes ago

FERGUSON, Mo. (AP) — Police on Friday identified the officer who fatally shot an unarmed black teenager and released documents alleging the young man had been suspected of stealing a $48.99 box of cigars from a convenience store in a "strong-arm" robbery shortly before he was killed.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014871469

[Bacchus4.0]

198. So what? The poster who reported got his posts hid and now its what everyone is talking about n/t

[Judi Lynn]

201. His thread is clearly still open. Would you point out where he went wrong?

So far it looks as if you posted your article on the same story, with a far more inflammatory headline well after his post had already been in place for some time.

On edit:
People posted on your thread because your thread replace the original one at the top of the page when you posted the same story later in the morning. It was the one they saw first, rather than the original thread.

Easy to grasp.

[Bacchus4.0]

202. You mean this one with the headline that CNN used which is exactly how LBN is supposed to reported?

The other one was the headline that the officer's name was revealed. Its quite easy to grasp that those are two distinct events on this story.

[wordpix]

217. live tweets at time of shooting from neighbor/witness here

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/man-may-have-live-tweeted-michael-brown-death.html

Saw Brown running (away from cop), witness says he saw no reason for shooting, Brown shot 7 times, first 2 shots in back, he turned around, next 5 shots in front.

Looks like the real deal from this witness to me.

[wildeyed]

197. Well if it is true then they KNEW he didn't have a weapon.

So there was really no excuse for the shooting. And last I checked, we didn't execute people for suspected shoplifting. Seriously. I do not care if Mike Brown was a straight-A student destined for Harvard or a petty criminal or somewhere in between. He did not deserve to be shot with his hands in the air. And the stinking police department who let the body bake in the sun for hours and could not be bothered to release any info on the shooter is now suddenly all about transparency? Bullshit. They know they are going to get their brains sued out and that public opinion is against them. They are trying to do damage control by painting their victim as someone who deserved to die. Don't buy it. Assholes.

[yurbud]

225. since the chief admits the officer didn't know that, why does it matter?

If I randomly shot someone and he happened to be a suspect in a crime somewhere, should I get a pass?