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sabbat hunter

(6,828 posts)
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:30 AM Aug 2014

Autopsy results enough to charge officer, Brown family attorney says

Source: cnn.com

An independent autopsy into the death of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, provides "ample" evidence to support the arrest of the police officer who shot him, family attorney Daryl Parks said Monday at a news conference.
Parks was particularly concerned about gunshots that medical examiners hired by the family indicate came from behind and above.
"Why would he be shot in the very top of his head, a 6 foot-four man?" Parks asked. "Makes no sense."
The autopsy could support witnesses suggestions that Brown was holding his hands up in the air, said Shawn Purcell, who assisted in the autopsy. But other scenarios are possible, said Dr. Michael Baden who supervised the inquiry.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/18/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1



If the autopsy by the family is correct and the final shots came from behind and above, it would clearly indicate that he was no imminent threat to the officer (which is generally the level of support needed for taking down a suspect with a gun).

There has been a call to arrest Officer Wilson immediately. I believe that there is no need to arrest him, but a grand jury should be impaneled ASAP to see if he should be charged with a crime.

Why not arrested immediately? 1) he is not going anywhere 2) Generally police arrest a suspect for questioning, file reports, fingerprinting etc. There is no need to question him at this time as he is just going to claim the 5th amendment (which is his right), and his fingerprints are on file as an officer of the law. 3) as shown in Texas, you do not need to arrest someone before having a grand jury impaneled (with Perry).

The case should however be handled by the state DA or the US district attorney general, and not the local officials. Additionally, we can pretty much guess that Wilson's attorney will call for a change of venue, and the prosecution should pre-empt this by changing the venue to the nearest big city.
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Autopsy results enough to charge officer, Brown family attorney says (Original Post) sabbat hunter Aug 2014 OP
I totally agree with your assessment. FarPoint Aug 2014 #1
he could call for sabbat hunter Aug 2014 #2
Why is it not required? FarPoint Aug 2014 #3
if that is part of that is sabbat hunter Aug 2014 #5
I want door number 2.. FarPoint Aug 2014 #6
Do you mean change of venue? If you mean ballyhoo Aug 2014 #8
Yes, yes yes... FarPoint Aug 2014 #9
How about Norway? ballyhoo Aug 2014 #10
Important points from the Brown Family Presser on Autopsy this Morning.... LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #4
thank you Loving..... FarPoint Aug 2014 #7
No problem! LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #14
If mercuryblues Aug 2014 #13
I did that Kalidurga Aug 2014 #26
3-4 months is enough time phil89 Aug 2014 #11
If the autopsy report supports it, why shouldn't they charge him immediately? wildeyed Aug 2014 #12
Would agree on all your points, except.... LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #15
I read that one of the witnesses said that wildeyed Aug 2014 #16
Dr. Michael Baden is a Forensic Pathologist.... LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #17
Yeah, I think they should charge him. wildeyed Aug 2014 #18
Thanks! I understand it can be tough to determine the facts... LovingA2andMI Aug 2014 #19
the prosecuting attorney sabbat hunter Aug 2014 #21
I hope so. wildeyed Aug 2014 #23
I believe that sabbat hunter Aug 2014 #24
Good news. wildeyed Aug 2014 #25
The prosecuting attorneys father was a cop and was shot by an African American notadmblnd Aug 2014 #27
, blkmusclmachine Aug 2014 #20
I find it hard to believe BobbyBoring Aug 2014 #22

FarPoint

(12,350 posts)
1. I totally agree with your assessment.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:35 AM
Aug 2014

The Prosecutor will eventually call a Grand Jury...could take 4 months...typical wait for each grand jury rotation.

FarPoint

(12,350 posts)
3. Why is it not required?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 11:45 AM
Aug 2014

Secondly, McCollum said that is his outlined plan....I would love to eliminate everyone in Ferguson law enforcement from this case.

sabbat hunter

(6,828 posts)
5. if that is part of that is
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:07 PM
Aug 2014

his plan then that is fine.

I think that if you simply change the venue or hand it over to the US District Attorney, you will automatically eliminate everyone from Ferguson law enforcement.

FarPoint

(12,350 posts)
6. I want door number 2..
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:10 PM
Aug 2014

Take everything out of the hands of Ferguson. ..Small town entitled politicians are a throw back to the 60s.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
4. Important points from the Brown Family Presser on Autopsy this Morning....
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:05 PM
Aug 2014

Last edited Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Brown Family Pathologist #MICHAELBADEN "Three Bullets stayed in the body" "Bullet on inner arm from was armed raised" #FERGUSON" --@IUNewsTalk

"All of the gunshot wounds were survivable, except the one to the top of the brain," Says Dr. Michael Baden #FERGUSON #ARRESTDARRENWILSONNOW" --@IUNewsTalk

RT'ed by @CharlesMBlow New York Times Columnist "@CharlesMBlow "No Evidence of a Struggle," Says Dr. Michael Baiden should renew calls NOW for #THOMASJACKSONMUSTGO http://j.mp/JacksonMustGo1" --@IUNewsTalk



FarPoint

(12,350 posts)
7. thank you Loving.....
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:13 PM
Aug 2014

I bet these facts will come out later this evening with MSNBC hosts...looking forward to analysis discussion.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
12. If the autopsy report supports it, why shouldn't they charge him immediately?
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:38 PM
Aug 2014

It is what the family and community want and there is precedent. This officer was charged less than 48 hours after the incident. Not sure who is served by waiting for the Grand Jury to convene.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/16/jonathan-ferrell-shot_n_3937175.html

As an aside, what I read is all the shots were to the front except the one to the top of the head. None appeared to be at close range. What I would guess is that they scuffled at the police car, the officer shot at him while he was running away and missed and then he was hit and killed when he turned toward the cop with hands up. I would assume that shooting an unarmed man who was surrendering with hands up would be enough, to charge the officer. But I am not an expert on any of this either, so I could obviously be wrong.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
15. Would agree on all your points, except....
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 12:46 PM
Aug 2014

There is no evidence that a struggle existed between killer Ferguson Cop Darren Wilson and Victim Michael Brown, from the Autopsy report of Dr. Michael Baden - the Brown Family Pathologist.

RT'ed by @CharlesMBlow New York Times Columnist "@CharlesMBlow "No Evidence of a Struggle," Says Dr. Michael Baiden should renew calls NOW for #THOMASJACKSONMUSTGO http://j.mp/JacksonMustGo1" --@IUNewsTalk

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
16. I read that one of the witnesses said that
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:02 PM
Aug 2014

the officer hit Brown with the door of his car, got mad, and then grabbed his neck through the window, Brown got free and tried to run away. If Brown did try to grab the gun, and the officer felt he was imminent danger, wouldn't there be evidence that the gun discharged into the vehicle? Did the officer say whether he discharged the gun then in his statement?

I dunno. I don't believe the cop and eye witness testimony can be unreliable, so hard to know what happened when there is not forensic evidence.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
17. Dr. Michael Baden is a Forensic Pathologist....
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:16 PM
Aug 2014

Again, he says:

@CharlesMBlow "No Evidence of a Struggle," Says Dr. Michael Biden should renew calls NOW for #THOMASJACKSONMUSTGO http://j.mp/JacksonMustGo1

In other words, no evidence of a struggle existed that could have placed Officer Darren Wilson in fear of using the force to SHOOT to KILL Michael Brown. None, nana, zero.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
19. Thanks! I understand it can be tough to determine the facts...
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 01:49 PM
Aug 2014

The way information and misinformation has been flowing out of Ferguson on many fronts, however, Dr. Baden is a highly sourced and respected Forensic Pathologist. So, when he says "No Evidence a Struggle Existed", it should take weight over others stating how Michael Brown life was taken.

sabbat hunter

(6,828 posts)
21. the prosecuting attorney
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 06:05 PM
Aug 2014

probably wants to make sure he has everything lined up properly, so nothing gets thrown out of court, no rights of darren wilson are violated (so he won't get off on a technicality).

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
23. I hope so.
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 08:18 PM
Aug 2014

But the local DA seemed biased toward the police. The longer it takes, the more people will worry that he is going to get off scot free.

sabbat hunter

(6,828 posts)
24. I believe that
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 09:26 PM
Aug 2014

the Missouri state Attorney General has already stepped in for the case and taken it from the local office.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
27. The prosecuting attorneys father was a cop and was shot by an African American
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 10:34 PM
Aug 2014

It's unlikely that he can put aside his bias and bigotry to prosecute a cop.

BobbyBoring

(1,965 posts)
22. I find it hard to believe
Mon Aug 18, 2014, 07:50 PM
Aug 2014

That a black teen that knows the areas history would charge at a white cop with his gun already drawn. The toxicology report would have to show a hell of a lot more than pot in M.B.s system for me to buy that bullshit!

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