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Bosonic

(3,746 posts)
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 04:51 AM Aug 2014

Syrian rebels attack peacekeepers in Golan Heights

Last edited Sat Aug 30, 2014, 08:06 AM - Edit history (1)

Source: AP

BEIRUT (AP) -- Clashes erupted between al-Qaida-linked Syrian rebels and U.N. peacekeepers in the Golan Heights on Saturday after the militants surrounded their encampment, said activists and officials, as the international organization risked being sucked further into the conflict.

Other U.N. peacekeepers were able to flee from a different encampment that that was also surrounded by rebels of the Nusra Front, al-Qaida's Syrian affiliate, said Rami Abdurrahman of the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. The Philippines' Defense Secretary Voltaire Gazmin confirmed that peacekeepers from his country were "extricated."

The clashes came after Syrian rebel groups, including the Nusra Front, overran the Quneitra crossing -- located on the frontier between Syrian and Israeli controlled parts of the Golan Heights -- on Wednesday, seizing 44 Fijian peacekeepers.

The Nusra Front also surrounded the nearby Rwihana and Breiqa encampments, where other U.N. peacekeepers were holed up.

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bemildred

(90,061 posts)
1. Oh good, our little buddies in Syria are attacking the UN now.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 06:37 AM
Aug 2014

How long can it be before they start lobbing mortars into the Golan?

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
9. Nearly three dozen trapped U.N. peacekeepers safely rescued in Golan
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 12:40 PM
Aug 2014

(Reuters) - Nearly three dozen U.N. peacekeepers from the Philippines who had been surrounded for days by Islamist militants on the Syrian side of the Golan Heights were rescued during a firefight on Saturday, U.N. officials said.

"They were safely extracted, nearly three dozen of them," a U.N. official told Reuters on condition of anonymity. Other U.N. officials confirmed it. Officials in the Philippines have said all 72 of the trapped Filipino peacekeepers were safe.

The U.N. officials said the other Philippine peacekeepers remained trapped by the militants, who have been battling the Syrian army on the Golan Heights. Another 44 Fijian peacekeepers have been detained by militants nearby since Thursday.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/08/30/us-syria-crisis-philippines-rescue-idUSKBN0GU0NB20140830

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
10. This group is on the US terrorist list - they are hardly "our" buddies
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 02:24 PM
Aug 2014

They - and ISIS (IS or ISIL) - are why the US never really had any good options once the violence started. Before the violence, Obama did allow efforts to reestablish diplomatic relations with Assad, that Bush had ended. This led to having an ambassador there and Kerry trying to convince Assad to end support of Hezbollah. Obama was attacked by the right for doing this.

Once the Arab Spring led to turmoil in other countries, Obama called on Assad to make reforms that would allow the majority Sunnis some greater inclusion in his mostly Alawite government. Obama, Clinton and Kerry have since been attacked for quotes where they said there was some hope that Assad could be a reformer -- where "could be" has been conflated to "is".

However, all this was before what were reported as peaceful protests were met with bullets. One open question here that does disturb me is to what degree - if any- the US encouraged the protesters then. On one hand, it is dismissive of the Syrian (or similarly, Egyptian) culture and people to assume that they could not act on their own and that they were simply puppets. On the other hand, what was the whole Bush "democracy" initiative, that did not lose funding, all about? Looking at the fact that the administration was publicly supporting Assad changing by allowing reforms ( POTUS and SOS)and Mubarak staying (SOS), if the US was encouraging anything it was done by career people without approval -- which is a pretty scary thought! (I am not naive enough to assume that anyone always speaks the absolute truth, but the comments are not politically helpful.)

When the Assad response became more violent, I think we entered the period where Clinton's and Obama's preferred options diverged, with Obama far more reluctant to give any arms to any rebels. (Totally based on HRC's recent, long after the fact comments)

From then into the present, the ferocity of the civil war has increased and it seems every group is fighting every other group. I suspect that is why the US has been reluctant to arm anyone here. In addition, it is why everyone from Obama, to Kerry and Hagel - even when limited US airstrikes over the use of chemical weapons were proposed - were adamant about no troops on the ground and not becoming a part of their civil war.

Now, of course, things are even more confusing.

Given how tragic Syria is now, it is not hard to wish something different had been done. However, it is impossible to know what would have happened had Hillary's (or McCain's, for that matter) preferred actions been taken. Given that the reality is so bad, claiming you wanted to do something different is tempting because at least because of the American "we can fix it" attitude there is an implicit assumption that in the set of choices a decent one always exists and things get bad only when a good choice is not taken. So oddly, on complex problems, it is easier to be seen as "right" if your option was not the one followed. In this case, both the right and Clinton have implied this on Syria. Implicitly, it may be that some wanting LESS done than Obama did are doing this too.

It might be any American involvement ever would not have been for the good and the middle eastern forces there were a powder keg where the fuse was already lit and too far along for outside forces to stop?
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pampango

(24,692 posts)
2. A good example of why Israel was happy with Assad controlling the border.
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 06:57 AM
Aug 2014

For 40 years no Israeli was killed in the Golan. The border with Syria was the calmest of any border Israel has. Not true when rebels control the border.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
3. Makes one just wonder
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 07:50 AM
Aug 2014

why oh why would the terrorists in Syria fight to open up a passage to Israel? You don't fight to get yourself backed to a wall which it seems like this is what they just did. The terrorists have already said that Israel is not the enemy at this point, claiming that moderate Islamic govts are more dangerous to radical Islam than Israel. Also they can be seen on liveleak.com burning the Palestinian flag

I wouldn't be surprised if Israel starts another bombing campaign on the Syrian Army if they did anything to attack the terrorists along the golan heights.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. "The terrorists have already said that Israel is not the enemy at this point"
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 08:00 AM
Aug 2014

Which group are you referencing here when you say "The terrorists" ?

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
5. It was the ISIS
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 08:05 AM
Aug 2014

But the FSA commanders and leadership have also said Israel is their friend. Their soldiers receive treatment in Israeli hospitals and this is public knowledge. I will go to liveleak and try and find the video evidence of them saying so.

duhneece

(4,110 posts)
6. I want nothing but peace-keeping troops where needed (by the majority of countries)
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 08:06 AM
Aug 2014

No more bombing, no more killing unless absolutely necessary. Just medical clinics, schools, PEACE keeping. Am I too optimistic and trying to keep-my hippy-dippy rose-colored glasses, (tho' they are quite askew at this point at 63 years old) on?

duhneece

(4,110 posts)
12. And the training, research, development of what works
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:17 PM
Sep 2014

That costs money and cooperation.l e know from history lessons that, after food and shelter, people want medical help and to see their children educated

christx30

(6,241 posts)
11. You'll need to also to
Sat Aug 30, 2014, 03:38 PM
Aug 2014

change human nature. We are always going to find reasons to kill each other. Resources, race, the very serious and real wishes of the invisible sky fairy. We're as good at finding reasons to kill as we are at researching ways to do it.

duhneece

(4,110 posts)
13. We've been on a road to peace, too
Mon Sep 1, 2014, 04:21 PM
Sep 2014

All of our human rights, women's rights, children's rights, labor rights, civil rights, medical advances, symphonies, bridges, animal rights, gay rights grew out of our shared desire for peace and progress and a desire to share the best of what this world has to offer.

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