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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,290 posts)
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:31 AM Apr 2012

Half a million Mac computers 'infected with malware'

Source: BBC News

More than half a million Apple computers have been infected with the Flashback Trojan, according to a Russian anti-virus firm.

An investigation by Dr Web suggests that about 600,000 Macs have installed the malware - potentially allowing them to be hijacked and used as a 'botnet'.

It says that more than half that number are based in the US.

Apple has released a security update, but users who have not installed the patch remain exposed.



Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-17623422



Another link:

Flashback Trojan Hits 550,000 Macs

Analysis of a recent Java flaw exploited by the Flashback Trojan reveals that more than 550,000 Macs were affected in the U.S. and abroad, according to anti-virus vendor Doctor Web.

'This once again refutes claims by some experts that there are no cyber-threats to Mac OS X,' Doctor Web said in a Tuesday blog post.


I own several Macs, so I'm not gloating. For years, the mantra has been that Macs were immune from the sort of malware, spyware, and whatnot that made owners of computers running Windows pull their hair out. I guess that's changing. That's the price of market share. Can Ubuntu be far behind? At least no one's writing viruses for the Palm OS. I hope.

To keep things in perspective, half a million computers is probably how many computers running Windows are infected in an afternoon.

Affected Mac owners, as the veteran of attacks by spyware that Spyware Search and Destroy cannot remove, I feel your pain.
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Half a million Mac computers 'infected with malware' (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2012 OP
WebOS (formerly Palm OS) is open-source now, so... Cooley Hurd Apr 2012 #1
I am so looking forward to that. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2012 #2
It's an incredible tablet - nothing fancy but it runs both OS's like a champ. Cooley Hurd Apr 2012 #21
Here is how to check your Mac.. Mine were ok. LiberalArkie Apr 2012 #3
Thanks for the info supernova Apr 2012 #7
Thanks. Auggie Apr 2012 #11
I'm such a wimp....where is the "Terminal application" a kennedy Apr 2012 #23
I would also like to know where the Terminal application is. n/t RebelOne Apr 2012 #34
It's in the Utilities folder. Bozita Apr 2012 #35
Does not work for me. RebelOne Apr 2012 #47
I'm clean as well sakabatou Apr 2012 #44
Thanks. OnyxCollie Apr 2012 #45
If you can find it that easy, it's not very sophisticated... saras Apr 2012 #60
Thanks for the information Art_from_Ark Apr 2012 #61
Macs were never immune supernova Apr 2012 #4
MACS infected with malware TlalocW Apr 2012 #5
That graphic is funny. RC Apr 2012 #8
Does anybody think Doctor Web may have a vested interest in malware & viruses? xtraxritical Apr 2012 #9
That's a laugh-riot! MADem Apr 2012 #16
Heh heh heh n/t TroglodyteScholar Apr 2012 #36
Affects a tiny amount of Macs. How to detect, get rid of it---> onehandle Apr 2012 #6
lol Vehl Apr 2012 #26
Typical Mac Haters Club, LOL... Grassy Knoll Apr 2012 #37
"according to a Russian anti-virus firm." TheManInTheMac Apr 2012 #10
Yeah, I know what you mean. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2012 #13
"Russian" Vehl Apr 2012 #28
Yes, I know you're right. TheManInTheMac Apr 2012 #56
I imagine your user name prevented it... LanternWaste Apr 2012 #48
No. Believe me, I don't worship at the alter of Mac. TheManInTheMac Apr 2012 #57
I wrote about this on DUII last year and not only was I rebuffed, it was basically ignored DainBramaged Apr 2012 #12
I thought they were virus and malware - proof, and that's why the inflated price was supposedly MADem Apr 2012 #14
Linux will remain virus free dharmamarx Apr 2012 #15
I agree that Linux is more secure d_r Apr 2012 #39
added to say d_r Apr 2012 #46
Android isn't immune to malware. joshcryer Apr 2012 #67
i actually installed a mac anti virus program. rdking647 Apr 2012 #17
That's the same one I downloaded. cbayer Apr 2012 #22
it actually found a trojan on my computer rdking647 Apr 2012 #54
I downloaded the same one earlier today marlakay Apr 2012 #68
This headline should read: Indydem Apr 2012 #18
I just got a new MacBook and, for the first time in my long Mac loving life, cbayer Apr 2012 #19
Mac OS is Less Secure than Windows! regardless of what iFans might think Vehl Apr 2012 #20
Apple is proof of the power of marketing to brainwash people. Odin2005 Apr 2012 #31
That iPhone article is slightly misleading, he also has to break into the access points. joshcryer Apr 2012 #65
Worth noting: The exploited vulnerability was in Java, not in the MacOS thesquanderer Apr 2012 #24
Macs are Less secure than PC's , check my post #20. Vehl Apr 2012 #25
except that Mac users more often have to be complicit. thesquanderer Apr 2012 #38
Not really Vehl Apr 2012 #53
I'm a Mac user and I know it. Hissyspit Apr 2012 #40
Read my post again Vehl Apr 2012 #52
But, the Mac fanatics are sure that's impossible! Odin2005 Apr 2012 #27
:)) Vehl Apr 2012 #30
How long before they treat the late Steve Jobs as a God? Odin2005 Apr 2012 #32
They Already are Vehl Apr 2012 #33
Yeah! Hissyspit Apr 2012 #41
He didn't say that Marooned Apr 2012 #42
+100 Vehl Apr 2012 #51
It's about perspective. Hissyspit Apr 2012 #55
What marooned said Vehl Apr 2012 #50
Well, I checked and my computer is not infected. Hissyspit Apr 2012 #63
But, but, Mac users sneeringly tell me that can't happen to Le Sacred Mac. kestrel91316 Apr 2012 #29
GET A CLUE. This is a JAVA exploit. "BackDoor.Flashback.39" affects OSX and Windows equally. denem Apr 2012 #43
what is the linux removal? d_r Apr 2012 #49
I can't see anything yet on the Distro pages. denem Apr 2012 #58
More on the vulnerabilities of Java thesquanderer Apr 2012 #62
Except, this was patched in Feb. Apple just released their patch 2 days ago. joshcryer Apr 2012 #66
PC & Mac Users - web check to see if you have a Botnet denem Apr 2012 #59
Bears looking into burrowowl Apr 2012 #64
 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
1. WebOS (formerly Palm OS) is open-source now, so...
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:35 AM
Apr 2012

...it's possible malware will be forthcoming. I have an HP Touchpad running both WebOS and Android 4.0, and I have Lookout Security loaded for both.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,290 posts)
2. I am so looking forward to that.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:37 AM
Apr 2012

I wish I had snagged a couple TouchPads in the fifteen minutes that they were bargain-priced. I own shares of HPQ, and that debacle still nags at me.

 

Cooley Hurd

(26,877 posts)
21. It's an incredible tablet - nothing fancy but it runs both OS's like a champ.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:32 PM
Apr 2012

They're selling for around $250 now for the 32GB model - I highly recommend getting one.

LiberalArkie

(15,703 posts)
3. Here is how to check your Mac.. Mine were ok.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:40 AM
Apr 2012

You can find out whether your machine is affected by opening up the Terminal application and typing:

defaults read /Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Info LSEnvironment

If you get the message “The domain/default pair of (/Applications/Safari.app/Contents/Info, LSEnvironment) does not exist”, you must then enter:

defaults read ~/.MacOSX/environment DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES

If you get the message ”The domain/default pair of (/Users/joe/.MacOSX/environment, DYLD_INSERT_LIBRARIES) does not exist”, then your Mac is safe. Basically, the “does not exist” message means you’re clean.

If you see anything other than those messages, you can check out F-Secure’s guide to removing the Flashback trojan.

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2012/04/flashback-trojan-reportedly-controls-half-a-million-macs-and-counting.ars

RebelOne

(30,947 posts)
47. Does not work for me.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:27 PM
Apr 2012

I found the Terminal in the Utilities folder and typed in the application and it just came up as no such file.

 

saras

(6,670 posts)
60. If you can find it that easy, it's not very sophisticated...
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 08:00 PM
Apr 2012

...macs have some catching up to do. No stealth rootkits?

supernova

(39,345 posts)
4. Macs were never immune
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:40 AM
Apr 2012

by virtue of being Macs. It was just that the relatively small number of us Maccies out here weren't worth hackers' time creating viruses and malware for us.

I say this as someone who has a 2007 MacBook.

I think my next laptop I will build with my SO and put Linux on it.

TlalocW

(15,374 posts)
5. MACS infected with malware
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:41 AM
Apr 2012

Malware's name is... MacOS! Thank you! I'll be here all week.

Just kidding my Mac-loving brethren.

 

xtraxritical

(3,576 posts)
9. Does anybody think Doctor Web may have a vested interest in malware & viruses?
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:59 AM
Apr 2012
Doctor Web—the Russian anti-virus vendor. I've been using Win 7 on a PC for years now, for security I use Microsoft Security Suite which is free on their website. The software scans everything incoming and occasionally finds a virus which it quarantines and eliminates. It behooves MS to protects their users and they are serious about eliminating viruses attacking their OS. Dr. Web? Not so much.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
16. That's a laugh-riot!
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:24 PM
Apr 2012

That commercial never did it for me (the actual one, I mean). I always liked the nerdy guy better--he seemed more sincere-- and thought the MAC guy was a bit smug and unwashed!

The "music box" music was grating, as well!

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
6. Affects a tiny amount of Macs. How to detect, get rid of it--->
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 11:44 AM
Apr 2012

It's a minor threat. You expose yourself more if you use Google products.

Macs update automatically to combat these things. Let your Mac update whenever it asks to.


Instructions:
http://www.f-secure.com/v-descs/trojan-downloader_osx_flashback_i.shtml

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
26. lol
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:46 PM
Apr 2012

Macs are less secure than Windows and Google products. Its an established fact
Check post#20.

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
28. "Russian"
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:51 PM
Apr 2012

the Russian anti Virus firms are top notch. Where do you think a big Chunk of Virus coders are from? Russia. And most of them work for the Russian mafia-funded rings. Believe me when I say Russians know their stuff.

To Disparage the report cos its Russian, only serves to underscore the typical Mac-user mindset...fatally clueless about most tech issues. No offense meant..but If I were Russian, I would find your comment offensive.



TheManInTheMac

(985 posts)
56. Yes, I know you're right.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:45 PM
Apr 2012

My concern is always that these online "anti-virus" companies are often responsible for the malware. I'm not clueless. I switched to a Mac when they switched to Unix.

And I certainly didn't mean to denigrate the Russian people or their tech skills.

TheManInTheMac

(985 posts)
57. No. Believe me, I don't worship at the alter of Mac.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 06:49 PM
Apr 2012

I am suspicious of anti-virus companies' claims about these things. Before you know it, you're on their webpage, clicking something that says "Scan My Computer (It's FREE!)"

Nope. I don't type my root password in unless I know damn well what I'm installing.

DainBramaged

(39,191 posts)
12. I wrote about this on DUII last year and not only was I rebuffed, it was basically ignored
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:05 PM
Apr 2012

But what do I know, now that a half a MILLION Macs owned by those who think they are immune to some preety slick minds are part of a botnet sending spam and crap to everyone else.....


MADem

(135,425 posts)
14. I thought they were virus and malware - proof, and that's why the inflated price was supposedly
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:21 PM
Apr 2012

"worth it."

I'll stick with my PCs!

dharmamarx

(58 posts)
15. Linux will remain virus free
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:21 PM
Apr 2012

I don't think Ubuntu or Linux more broadly would run into this kind of problem. Linux operating systems use centralized package management. That means that if you are using Linux, you have no need to run around the internet and download programs from untrusted websites. An Ubuntu user's programs should all be coming from one trusted source (the Debian package maintainers). Proprietary software cannot fully make use of this feature.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
46. added to say
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:23 PM
Apr 2012

that a part of that reason is the perception that linux users are more tech savvy. If you want to put out a botnet, you want it to be out there long enough to use it. If you are going to bother writing the script you'd want it to work as more than just a proof of concept - you want people to spread it and you want it to last a while. Windows is a target because of the wide user base, mac now because it is low hanging fruit.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
67. Android isn't immune to malware.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:24 AM
Apr 2012

Well, technically it's only .01% of them but it's still millions of phones.

I think my Linux you mean Linux PCs?

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
17. i actually installed a mac anti virus program.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:26 PM
Apr 2012

i know its just a matter of time until viruses become a real threat to macs.
i installed sophos anti virus,a free program a few days ago

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
22. That's the same one I downloaded.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:32 PM
Apr 2012

When I got my new computer, I looked around to see what kinds of downloads were recommended and Sophos came up on several lists.

So far I haven't seen it do anything, which I guess is good news....

Right?

 

rdking647

(5,113 posts)
54. it actually found a trojan on my computer
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 05:31 PM
Apr 2012

it was an attachment to en email in my spam folder so it was no problem but the simple fact it found it is good

marlakay

(11,425 posts)
68. I downloaded the same one earlier today
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:55 AM
Apr 2012

No virus or worms but after reading what happened I didn't want to take a chance...

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
19. I just got a new MacBook and, for the first time in my long Mac loving life,
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:31 PM
Apr 2012

downloaded a virus protection program.

While I think there is still a much smaller risk, I think it will grow as Mac slowly but surely picks up market share.

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
20. Mac OS is Less Secure than Windows! regardless of what iFans might think
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:31 PM
Apr 2012

Oh how many times have I heard the line "that Macs dont get viruses." from Mac users.

If only they knew that Mac's are as susceptable to viruses as Windows, but were only spared due to the very small marketshare they had. Virus writers wrote for the OS with the largest marketshare, Windows.

It has to be noted that the Mac OS is one of the LEAST secure OS's out there, as proven in one hacking contest after another, year after year.


Apple's Mac OS X is less secure than Windows
Analysis Exploding the marketing myth


IF YOU BELIEVE Apple's marketing then you would think that the expensive fruity machines are more secure than PCs.

After all, most of the viruses out there are designed for the PC and Apple users hardly suffer from the problem. But this line of reasoning does not influence corporate IT managers who, were it true, would be trying to stave off hackers by installing shedloads of Apple gear.

However that's not the case. Most tell us that even if Apple gear was half the price it's just security by obscurity. A determined hacker who wanted to get into corporate systems would be though it like a knife through butter.

Tyler Reguly, a senior security research engineer with Ncircle told the newnewinternet that if you take a look at the two platforms, and the mindsets of the companies behind them, then the Windows PC wins hands down. He said that the Mac ships with more exploitable vulnerabilities already on a system when it is delivered. Further, Eric Johanson, a security researcher pointed out that the Mac OS X has far more published vulnerabilities per user than Windows.

more here
http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/analysis/1590073/apple-mac-os-x-secure-windows


and more


Researchers: Macs are less secure than Windows PCs
http://blogs.computerworld.com/researchers_macs_are_less_secure_than_windows_pcs


Pwn2Own Winner: ‘Mac OS X is Less Secure Than Windows’

Charlie Miller's Safari web browser exploit, which won him a new Mac laptop at last week's Pwn2Own competition, once again ignited the discussion about Mac OS X security. In an interview with the Baltimore Sun, Mr. Miller, who uses a MacBook on a daily basis and who used to work at the National Security Agency, said: "Any security expert knows that Mac OS X is less secure than Windows."

He continued: "The question is which is SAFER. Because Mac OS X is still relatively rare, it is actually a little safer. But it has nothing to do with it being more secure, but rather, that bad guys are entirely focused on Windows at the moment due to the overwhelming market share Windows has. At this time, I still don't recommend anti-virus for Mac OS X users, because there simply isn't much malware for that platform. However, if Mac OS X market share ever goes up, there will be a landslide of exploits and malware."

When asked if Mac users should be worried, he responded: "They should definitely be a little worried." However, there's a perception among many computer users that Mac OS X is inherently secure while Windows isn't, which Mr. Miller said is wrong: "Everything you could do on a Windows machine: turn it into a 'bot,' send spam, perform DDOS [distributed denial of service], etc. can be done from a compromised Mac.

more here
http://www.macobserver.com/tmo/article/pwn2own_winner_mac_os_x_is_less_secure_than_windows/



Sadly most Apple owners are happy to buy into the Apple cult and continue parroting the laughable claim that Mac OS is more secure than Windows! its less secure.



PS:

Furthermore Apple products are the ONLY known consumer electronics products that transmits to anyone within range the unique identifiers of the past three wireless access points the user has logged into.

This makes the iPhone and other wifi-enabled Apple devices(like laptops) the LEAST secure amongst comparable products.

Check this link

Loose-lipped iPhones top the list of smartphones exploited by hacker
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2012/03/loose-lipped-iphones-top-the-list-of-smartphones-exploited-by-hacker.ars?clicked=related_right

As a security professional who gets paid to hack into high-value networks, Mark Wuergler often gets a boost when his targets use smartphones, especially when the device happens to be an iPhone that regularly connects to Wi-Fi networks.

That's because the iPhone is the only smartphone he knows of that transmits to anyone within range the unique identifiers of the past three wireless access points the user has logged into. He can then use off-the-shelf hardware to passively retrieve the routers' MAC (media access control) addresses and look them up in databases such as Google Location Services and the Wireless Geographic Logging Engine. By allowing him to pinpoint the precise location of the wireless network, iPhones give him a quick leg-up when performing reconnaissance on prospective marks.

..
..

The exposure of MAC addresses extends not only to iPhones, but to all Apple devices with Wi-Fi capabilities, he said. It means that whenever the wireless features are enabled and not connected to a network—for instance, during a brief encounter at a Starbucks—they broadcast the unique identifiers, and it's trivial for anyone nearby to record them.

Apple did not respond to our requests for comment for this article.



Wanna see what a hacker can get from your Iphone or other Wifi Enabled Apple products? Check this pic out

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(right click on image, select view image to view higher resolution version)


Everytime I hear an Apple user make the claim that "Mac is more secure than Windows" , i laugh at them...inside. The same way I laugh at evolution/global warming deniers. Both religiously believe in myths with no facts to back them up.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
31. Apple is proof of the power of marketing to brainwash people.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:53 PM
Apr 2012

They have this shit down to a science. They know exactly how to get people to do what they want. They don't need an overt police state anymore, they just control the vast majority with psychological manipulation.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
65. That iPhone article is slightly misleading, he also has to break into the access points.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:14 AM
Apr 2012

And that is no easy feat with a proper password and WPA2.

Otherwise, yeah, the iPhone is going to be a target. Just look at all these celebrities whose pictures have been exposed.

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
24. Worth noting: The exploited vulnerability was in Java, not in the MacOS
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:39 PM
Apr 2012

That's the price of allowing "outside" technologies access.

Still, saying that Macs are now as risky as PCs is a ridiculous overstatement. One successful invisible attack versus, what, thousands?

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
25. Macs are Less secure than PC's , check my post #20.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:41 PM
Apr 2012

It's a known fact, albeit not amongst Mac owners.

thesquanderer

(11,972 posts)
38. except that Mac users more often have to be complicit.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 01:45 PM
Apr 2012

Last edited Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:20 PM - Edit history (1)

As I understand it, a big difference is that a Windows attack can easily install itself behind the user's back, whereas the Mac will typically put up a box asking the user if it is okay to proceed and prompt him for his password. If you're not sure why you're being prompted, the smart user cancels and exits the page.

The groundbreaking aspect of this particular exploit is that it is, as far as I've seen, the first that can successfully do its dirty work without prompting the user to provide the culprit with system level access.

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
53. Not really
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 04:01 PM
Apr 2012

Lesser Skilled hackers/Virus coders create viruses/trojans/etc etc which can be caught by built in systemic checking/virus scanners/firewalls, while the good ones do things which we will not be aware till its already too late. In fact the best Viruses/Malware might be in system doing its dirty work for months/years on end without being noticed (say for example if its intent was to monitor whatever you do on your machine and report it back to its creator)

Even windows has a lot of built in checking...like the user Access Control which prompts when a change to anything is about to be made. Power users turn it off because it becomes annoying after a while. But then again pwoer users also know how to keep their machines safe.

My college professor for Computer Security class was a NSA veteran of 15 years....he pretty much knew everything there is to know about cryptography/cryptanalysis/Computer security and his comment on the first day of class was this

"Security in Obscurity is never real security"

This is a fundamental truth in the field of computer security. Before I used to take the class I believed that the most secret Crypto Algorithm must be the most secure one. However history has shown us that Publicly available Crypto Algorithms are much more safer than private/secret ones.

If an Algorithm is made public, millions of people can look at it..researchers can research it...improve it..find vulnerabilities. A secret algorithm, however good it might seem to the small group of inventors, would most probably have some loophole/bug/backdoor/exploit that the smaller(relatively) team of inventors overlooked.

Thus the most secure/safe algorithms are those which have been exposed to the public..tested and tested again for years. There is no company/country that can find resources to out-think the worldwide collective of academics/researchers/students/hackers/hobbyists.


The same applies to Mac's. Till recently Mac's were safer and didn't have viruses because those who wrote Viruses didn't want to write for such an insignificant market share. however nowadays that the Mac OS has a considerable market-share, more and more Viruses will be written for it. Given that the Mac OS is less secure than the Windows OS, they will be affected more.

Thus the old adage "security in Obscurity is never real security" applies to Mac users as well.

A good first step for Mac users will be to download some Anti Virus Software.And to follow safe browsing practices

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
40. I'm a Mac user and I know it.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 01:48 PM
Apr 2012

In fact, I am aware of pretty much everything in your post. How is stereotyping Russian security firms more offensive than stereotyping Mac users?

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
52. Read my post again
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:47 PM
Apr 2012

I explicitly said "most".

However saying stuff like "I stopped reading after I read Russian" sounds very much like stereotyping.


PS: Furthermore I'm yet to see Russian companies make fun of their competitors using false advertising...remember the I'm a Mac commercials?

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
30. :))
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:53 PM
Apr 2012

yep!

You know what's one of the best lines I hear from Mac users AFTER one gets through their initial "Macs dont get viruses" firewall?
"Well even if they are less secure, they are more "safe" "!




After all, no wonder...a recent study found this


Apple triggers 'religious' reaction in fans' brains, report says

Next time Grandma asks why you're going to the mall on Sunday morning instead of church, tell her you're going to Apple Chapel.

For Apple fans, the brand triggers a reaction in the brain that's not unlike that of religious devotees, according to a BBC documentary series that cites neurological research.

The neuroscientists ran a magnetic resonance imaging (MRI) test on an Apple fanatic and discovered that images of the technology company's gadgets lit up the same parts of the brain as images of a deity do for religious people, the report says.

more here
http://articles.cnn.com/2011-05-19/tech/apple.religion_1_apple-store-apple-employees-brains?_s=PM:TECH



I have relegated these folks to the same cultist group-segment....where they will be at ease with the evolution/global warming deniers.



Vehl

(1,915 posts)
33. They Already are
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 12:59 PM
Apr 2012

No offense to a recently deceased person...but A person who lived in luxury while his own child (which he claimed it was not his...by lying in the courts that he is unable to father children) and his ex gf lived in welfare for more than a decade worthy of any praise..


and this is not even without getting into the other AH stuff he did.

Hissyspit

(45,788 posts)
41. Yeah!
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 01:51 PM
Apr 2012

There are no assholes in charge of other tech corporations, just Apple! You are so right.

Good grief...

 

Marooned

(79 posts)
42. He didn't say that
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 02:31 PM
Apr 2012

He just said Jobs was a major asshole and that's a documented fact. Assholes abound at all companies large and small. Some folks like to pretend Jobs shit didn't stink... the facts say otherwise is all.

Vehl

(1,915 posts)
51. +100
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:44 PM
Apr 2012

Well said
One does not see millions of customers put the Wall street moguls on a pedestal...and raise them to cult status. However the Apple fans do that and more.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
43. GET A CLUE. This is a JAVA exploit. "BackDoor.Flashback.39" affects OSX and Windows equally.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 02:42 PM
Apr 2012

The Windows removal is:

Reboot Windows in Safe Mode.
Use Dr.Web® scanner of free curing utility Dr.Web® CureIT! to scan local drives.
The “Cure” action should be applied for all infected files. (or using a anti malware vendor of your choice)
Restore registry from the backup copy.

The Mac Removal is

Select Software Update
Apply JAVA update
Reboot.

d_r

(6,907 posts)
49. what is the linux removal?
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 03:33 PM
Apr 2012

It is funny that Dr. Web is the way to remove on both windows and mac; I wonder if the good Dr. made the little beasty in the first place.

 

denem

(11,045 posts)
58. I can't see anything yet on the Distro pages.
Thu Apr 5, 2012, 07:21 PM
Apr 2012

Best just update JAVA I guess. Linux may not be in their sites.

joshcryer

(62,265 posts)
66. Except, this was patched in Feb. Apple just released their patch 2 days ago.
Sat Apr 7, 2012, 02:19 AM
Apr 2012

That's why it became a 'thing' on OS X, it had time to propagate. Most Windows users should be safe if they had automatic updates for Java enabled.

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