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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,389 posts)
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 08:32 AM Oct 2014

Payroll employment increases by 248,000 in September; unemployment rate declines to 5.9%

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics

THE EMPLOYMENT SITUATION -- SEPTEMBER 2014


Total nonfarm payroll employment increased by 248,000 in September, and the
unemployment rate declined to 5.9 percent, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
reported today. Employment increased in professional and business services,
retail trade, and health care.

Household Survey Data

In September, the unemployment rate declined by 0.2 percentage point to 5.9
percent. The number of unemployed persons decreased by 329,000 to 9.3 million.
Over the year, the unemployment rate and the number of unemployed persons were
down by 1.3 percentage points and 1.9 million, respectively. (See table A-1.)

Among the major worker groups, unemployment rates declined in September for
adult men (5.3 percent), whites (5.1 percent), and Hispanics (6.9 percent). The
rates for adult women (5.5 percent), teenagers (20.0 percent), and blacks (11.0
percent) showed little change over the month. The jobless rate for Asians was
4.3 percent (not seasonally adjusted), little changed from a year earlier.
(See tables A-1, A-2, and A-3.)

Among the unemployed, the number of job losers and persons who completed temporary
jobs decreased by 306,000 in September to 4.5 million. The number of long-term
unemployed (those jobless for 27 weeks or more) was essentially unchanged at 3.0
million in September. These individuals accounted for 31.9 percent of the unemployed.
Over the past 12 months, the number of long-term unemployed is down by 1.2 million.
(See tables A-11 and A-12.)


Read more: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm



[link: http://blogs.wsj.com/moneybeat/2014/10/03/september-jobs-report-everything-you-need-to-know/|September Jobs Report: Everything You Need to Know]

Markets
8:00 am ET
Oct 3, 2014
{by Steven Russolillo and Paul Vigno, and probably a few others}


— Associated Press

Yes, it’s that time again, folks. Jobs Friday, when for one ever-so-brief moment the interests of Wall Street, Washington and Main Street are all aligned on one thing: Jobs.

A fresh update on the U.S. employment situation for September hits the wires at 8:30 a.m. New York time, offering one of the most important snapshots on how the economy fared last month. Economists polled by Dow Jones Newswires expect 215,000 new jobs were created — up from 142,000 jobs added in August — with the unemployment rate sticking at 6.1%.

Here at MoneyBeat HQ, we’ll be offering color commentary and tracking the markets before and after the data crosses the wires. Feel free to weigh-in yourself, via the comments section. And while you’re here, why don’t you sign up to follow us on Twitter.

Enjoy the show.





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Good morning, Freepers and DUers alike. I especially welcome our good friends from across the aisle. You're paying for this information too, so feel free to participate in this thread. Please, everyone, put aside your differences long enough to digest the information. After that, you can engage in your usual donnybrook.

If you don't have the time to study the report thoroughly, here is the news in a nutshell:

Commissioner's Statement on The Employment Situation
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/jec.nr0.htm

What is important about these statistics is not so much this month’s number, but the trend. So let’s look at some earlier numbers.

ADP® (Automatic Data Processing), for employment in September 2014:

ADP National Employment Report Shows 213,000 Jobs Added in September
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014907710

Bureau of Labor Statistics, for employment in August 2014 (hat tip, Garion 55):

Payroll employment increases in August (+142,000); unemployment rate changes little (6.1%)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014888738

ADP® (Automatic Data Processing), for employment in August 2014:

ADP National Employment Report Shows 204,000 Jobs Added in August
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014887794

Bureau of Labor Statistics, for employment in July 2014:

Payroll employment increases in July (+209,000); unemployment rate changes little (6.2%)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014860280

ADP® (Automatic Data Processing), for employment in July 2014:

ADP National Employment Report Shows 218,000 Jobs Added in July
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014858666

Here’s a grim thought:

Fed economists: America’s missing workers are not coming back
http://www.democraticunderground.com/111658923

Dissenters, take note:

A New Reason to Question the Official Unemployment Rate
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/26/upshot/a-new-reason-to-question-the-official-unemployment-rate.html

David Leonhardt
AUG. 26, 2014

The Labor Department’s monthly jobs report has been the subject of some wacky conspiracy theories. None was wackier than the suggestion from Jack Welch, the former General Electric chief executive, that government statisticians were exaggerating job growth during President Obama’s 2012 re-election campaign. Both Republican and Democratic economists dismissed those charges as silly.

But to call the people who compile the jobs report honest, nonpartisan civil servants is not to say that the jobs report is perfect. The report tries to estimate employment in a big country – and to do so quickly, to give policy makers, business executives and everyone else a sense of how the economy is performing. It’s a tough task.

And it has become tougher, because Americans are less willing to respond to surveys than they used to be.

A new academic paper suggests that the unemployment rate appears to have become less accurate over the last two decades, in part because of this rise in nonresponse. In particular, there seems to have been an increase in the number of people who once would have qualified as officially unemployed and today are considered out of the labor force, neither working nor looking for work.

A few more things:

Meet FRED, every wonk’s secret weapon

FRED stands for Federal Reserve Economic Data. It serves as an online clearinghouse for a wealth of numbers: unemployment rates, prices of goods, GDP and CPI, things common and obscure. Today, FRED is more than a little bit famous, thanks to the public’s fascination with economic data.

Federal Reserve Economic Data

So how many jobs must be created every month to have an effect on the unemployment rate? There's an app for that:

Federal Reserve Bank of Atlanta Jobs Calculator™

Here's an index to the monthly reports:

Monthly Employment Reports

The large print giveth, and the fine print taketh away.

A DU'er pointed out several months ago that, if I'm going to post the link to the press release, I should include the link to all the tables that provide additional ways of examining the data. Specifically, I should post a link to Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization. Table A-15 includes those who are not considered unemployed, on the grounds that they have become discouraged about the prospects of finding a job and have given up looking. Here are those links.

Employment Situation

Table A-15. Alternative measures of labor underutilization
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Payroll employment increases by 248,000 in September; unemployment rate declines to 5.9% (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2014 OP
Its Obama's fault!!! DCBob Oct 2014 #1
ACORN cooked the books!!! JoePhilly Oct 2014 #3
Waiting for the faux news 'analysis' of this report. DCBob Oct 2014 #5
Fox business says wages didn't go up, so its really a bad report. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #6
thats lame. DCBob Oct 2014 #8
I was surprised that they included the 5.9 number in the title of the article. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #9
Gosh...maybe...just maybe, this "Trickle down" stuff actually works! BlueJazz Oct 2014 #2
Better than expected leftynyc Oct 2014 #4
July and August were also revised upwards. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #7
Right wing brains exploding everywhere leftynyc Oct 2014 #11
Even here on DU! eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #27
Not unexpected leftynyc Oct 2014 #30
248,000 in Sept + 69,000 revised up in July and Aug. = 317,000 more jobs than in last month's report progree Oct 2014 #16
Obama and Joe ROCK!! That's what we've been saying all along! Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #17
Participation rate dropped MannyGoldstein Oct 2014 #10
That does cause concern at some 'Net sites. mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2014 #20
Stevenleser addressed that here ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #28
Employment to Population Ratio: same for last 4 months, up 0.4 percentage points from a year ago progree Oct 2014 #12
No Obama can't debate ... so he cooked the books !! srican69 Oct 2014 #13
the economy is improving Gothmog Oct 2014 #14
DU Democrats who consistently go after this president... Liberal_Stalwart71 Oct 2014 #15
They'e too busy parroting right wing memes that he's an "incompetent manager" alcibiades_mystery Oct 2014 #18
Exactly correct. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #21
+bazillion because the term "NSA" is spouted BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #26
That and the Trade Agreement that isn't. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #29
But thankfully no more "chained CPI!!!1!11!!" that was never gonna happen. nt BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #31
But thank ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #33
Ain't that the truth. nt BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #35
If Obama was a white republican hollowdweller Oct 2014 #19
They search for anything and everything to counter good news. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #22
Amazing, isn't it? ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #32
McDonald's is now the #1 employer, with over 1 Billion employees!!! JoePhilly Oct 2014 #34
Wouldn't it be a good thing to get a bunch of people employed ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #36
Yup. JoePhilly Oct 2014 #37
But that's just the explanation ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #38
Uemployment's 11.8%, down from 13.1% last year. Thanks for the links. nt valerief Oct 2014 #23
Those socialist libruls are forcing everyone onto food stamps IronLionZion Oct 2014 #44
Thank you for posting BumRushDaShow Oct 2014 #24
I blame Obama. SpankMe Oct 2014 #25
Statistical noise. candelista Oct 2014 #39
October Surprise! yellowcanine Oct 2014 #40
LOL davidpdx Oct 2014 #41
500K more part-time jobs... quadrature Oct 2014 #42
That's another reason we need strong Unions! Today more than ever! nt wolfie001 Oct 2014 #43

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
5. Waiting for the faux news 'analysis' of this report.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 08:50 AM
Oct 2014

Probably something about cooking the books to help Dems in the upcoming elections.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
4. Better than expected
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 08:49 AM
Oct 2014

Were expecting around 215,000. I see the market futures are up triple digits already. How will the cons translate this into bad news.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
7. July and August were also revised upwards.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 08:53 AM
Oct 2014

The August employment numbers, which came in at a disappointing 142,000 and which everybody was expecting to get revised significantly higher, were indeed revised higher to 180,000, and July’s figure got revised higher too, to 243,000 from 212,000.

http://blogs.barrons.com/incomeinvesting/2014/10/03/u-s-adds-248000-jobs-in-september-unemployment-rate-drops-to-5-9/

progree

(10,901 posts)
16. 248,000 in Sept + 69,000 revised up in July and Aug. = 317,000 more jobs than in last month's report
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:53 AM
Oct 2014

Upward revisions: July: +31,000, August: +38,000, for a combined total of 69,000.
Plus 248,000 more jobs in September

Means we're 248,000 + 69,000 = 317,000 more jobs than in last month's report.

 

MannyGoldstein

(34,589 posts)
10. Participation rate dropped
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:25 AM
Oct 2014

Do you know if that drop is at a rate that's no greater than we'd expect from Boomers aging out of the work force?

progree

(10,901 posts)
12. Employment to Population Ratio: same for last 4 months, up 0.4 percentage points from a year ago
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:34 AM
Oct 2014

despite boomer retirements (they count all civilian non-institutionalized, age 16+, no matter how old, yes, including centenarians in this one)

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t01.htm

Sept 2013: 58.6%, Sept 2014: 59.0%

srican69

(1,426 posts)
13. No Obama can't debate ... so he cooked the books !!
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:42 AM
Oct 2014

I am ashamed that I actually purchased the Jack ass' book and hoped to learn something useful

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
15. DU Democrats who consistently go after this president...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:46 AM
Oct 2014

When will you give him credit for the good job he is doing? He has had ZERO help from the Republicans. ZERO!!!!!!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
18. They'e too busy parroting right wing memes that he's an "incompetent manager"
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:56 AM
Oct 2014

The pitiful display from that crowd is truly beyond belief. They despise the man.

BumRushDaShow

(128,783 posts)
26. +bazillion because the term "NSA" is spouted
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:07 AM
Oct 2014

24/7/365 like a broken record, in almost every single thread, because to them, nothing else exists.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
33. But thank ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:50 AM
Oct 2014

the Goddess, they stopped the bombing of Syria over the gassing of Syrians by the Syrian government ... we dodged a bullet (no pun intended) there.

 

hollowdweller

(4,229 posts)
19. If Obama was a white republican
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 10:12 AM
Oct 2014


Congress would be shouting about this from the house tops.

Instead being a black democrat even his own party will look for ways to pick it apart.


Oh and remember back in the 80's during the Reagan recession when they changed the way we counted unemployment changed to make it look better? Nobody really crowed about that like they do with the work force participation rate now. That's because they can't emotionally accept that a black guy is doing well as pres.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
32. Amazing, isn't it? ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:47 AM
Oct 2014

Next up ... "But what about the 'quality' of those jobs" that people are taking?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
36. Wouldn't it be a good thing to get a bunch of people employed ...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:06 PM
Oct 2014

then raise the minimum wage?

Oh wait! Shhh ...

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
37. Yup.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 12:09 PM
Oct 2014

The reality is that wages only go up AFTER unemployment goes down. When unemployment is high, you have lots of people competing for the same jobs. Which means you can pay them less.

When UE is low, you have companies competing for the best workers. Which means you have to pay them more.

IronLionZion

(45,418 posts)
44. Those socialist libruls are forcing everyone onto food stamps
Sat Oct 4, 2014, 07:45 AM
Oct 2014

to control us all through dependency! What's next? FEMA camps?

What's the unemployment rate for leprechauns and pandas? The underemployment rate is well over 1000%

BumRushDaShow

(128,783 posts)
24. Thank you for posting
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:02 AM
Oct 2014


I heard this morning that the major shipping companies (notsbly UPS) had put out a call to retailers to not wait to the last minute for their best sale prices this coming holoiday season in order to allow them be able to deliver stuff on time. I would hope that these shippers also consider more hiring as well - notably because so much is being bought online (even from local businesses selling online as well).

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
25. I blame Obama.
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 11:05 AM
Oct 2014

Stunningly excellent news. Republicans will still find a way to apply a negative spin to it.

Edited to add: ...and when the Xmas/Holiday hiring begins, the employment rate will improve further - if only temporarily. Hopefully, Dems will keep this jobs news front and center through the election.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
42. 500K more part-time jobs...
Fri Oct 3, 2014, 09:12 PM
Oct 2014

the decline in full time employment
is very sad.

perhaps 29hours a week could
be declared to be 'full time' ?

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