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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 03:31 PM Oct 2014

Frisco(suburb of Dallas) Patient Exhibiting Ebola Symptoms (UPDATED)

Last edited Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:40 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: CBSDFW.COM

Frisco Patient Exhibiting Ebola Symptoms
October 8, 2014 1:50 PM

FRISCO (CBSDFW.COM) - A news conference has been called in Frisco, a suburb of Dallas, to discuss a possible second case of Ebola.

The patient claims to have had contact with Thomas Eric Duncan, referred to as Dallas ‘patient zero.’

It is not clear how the patient had contact with Duncan or if the patient was one of the about 50 people being monitored by state and local health officials.
The call came in shortly after noon from Care Now, 301 Main Street, where the patient was “exhibiting signs and symptoms of Ebola.”

CBS 11 has confirmed that the patient checked yes to one of the screening questions regarding travel to West Africa. The facility is in contact with the Centers for Disease Control and is holding everyone in the facility until receiving clearance from the CDC.

Read more: http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/08/frisco-patient-exhibiting-ebola-symptoms/



Update for clarification:

Posted: Oct 08, 2014 3:31 PM EST Updated: Oct 08, 2014 5:21 PM EST


--clip
The patient was identified as Sgt. Michael Monnig, a deputy who accompanied county health officials Zachary Thompson and Christopher Perkins into the apartment where Thomas Eric Duncan stayed in Dallas.

The deputy was ordered to go inside the unit with officials to get a quarantine order signed. No one who went inside the unit that day wore protective gear.

According to Christopher Dyer, with the Dallas County Sheriff's Association, Monnig said he was feeling sick to his stomach before his visit to the clinic. Dyer expressed concern for Monnig and his family.

Frisco Mayor Maher Maso said "risk is minimal" from the new potential Ebola case. Frisco Fire Chief Mark Piland said the patient was transported because he had "a few" symptoms that matched those in the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention guidelines, but not all of the symptoms.

It will take up to 48 hours to get test results back to determine if Monnig tests positive for the Ebola virus.

more...

http://www.kcentv.com/story/26738156/ebola-scare-in-frisco-carenow-patient-to-be-transported
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Frisco(suburb of Dallas) Patient Exhibiting Ebola Symptoms (UPDATED) (Original Post) Purveyor Oct 2014 OP
The news conference will be held at 3:30 pm at Frisco’s Central Fire Station. CBSDFW will stream it Purveyor Oct 2014 #1
k&r, hoping that the tests come back negative. uppityperson Oct 2014 #2
I do too. Firstly for the person involved and secondly this will ramp up the Purveyor Oct 2014 #6
I am mulling over potential liability for confining the family in that infected apartment for days. uppityperson Oct 2014 #9
UP, don't blame yourself for that Aerows Oct 2014 #39
Duncan's sister visited him in Liberia in August. JimDandy Oct 2014 #10
Here's another report on that patient. Let's hope it's a false alarm. pnwmom Oct 2014 #3
See if he gets out of jail for the press conference. Downwinder Oct 2014 #4
Your article is dated Oct. 2nd. This is another situation entirely. eom Purveyor Oct 2014 #8
But the CDC says "no chance of ebola spreading here" seveneyes Oct 2014 #5
I thought the CDC said no chance of an outbreak like is happening in W Africa because we have uppityperson Oct 2014 #7
Could you provide a link to where the CDC said Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #15
They DID NOT say no chance. Control-Z Oct 2014 #20
I think in this case they were overestimating our rather spotty and inadequate health care system. redruddyred Oct 2014 #75
They said no such thing. Hyperbole causes needless panic. arcane1 Oct 2014 #26
Plenty of Ebola panic being pushed: freshwest Oct 2014 #40
Alan Grayson was right. louis-t Oct 2014 #43
I call it the 'Kill 'em all, let God sort it out' approach. But some have itchy trigger fingers now. freshwest Oct 2014 #53
I live in Mesquite suburb of Dallas. Lobo27 Oct 2014 #11
interesting CullenBohannon Oct 2014 #12
Flight bans are impossible Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #14
It is possible. christx30 Oct 2014 #19
Which doesn't cover Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #21
I'm not saying it's going to 100% christx30 Oct 2014 #33
I know many countries have different laws Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #35
I don't see why you can't lock down the flights from 3 West African Countries LynneSin Oct 2014 #24
My point is there are still too many gaps Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #31
Invite all of the people from Sierra Leone Aerows Oct 2014 #48
I can take maybe 10-15 at the most... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #49
I'm not inhumane enough to suggest that. Aerows Oct 2014 #51
FTW! kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #64
exactly LynneSin Oct 2014 #66
Yes, I believe there are over 50K flights worldwide a day. Not gonna happen. freshwest Oct 2014 #29
Britain CullenBohannon Oct 2014 #78
You want to compare Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #79
British Airways decided to stop flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone, but it wasn't a ban muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #85
he's baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack Skittles Oct 2014 #59
whom? CullenBohannon Oct 2014 #70
This doesn't make sense Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #13
Now they're saying it's a police officer who was in Duncan's apartment NT Ex Lurker Oct 2014 #16
What was he doing? Licking doorknobs or something? Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #17
Touch dirty doorknob then touch face. kestrel91316 Oct 2014 #65
I think we have a case of someone with a badge being a lookie-lou - hedgehog Oct 2014 #76
That would be ironic. Police responsible for keeping Duncan's family inside an infected apartment uppityperson Oct 2014 #18
dumb question, but can people exposed to any virus not "get it?" zazen Oct 2014 #25
In order to catch a disease from a virus, you have to have come into contact with the virus. But uppityperson Oct 2014 #27
thx! n/t zazen Oct 2014 #37
Not the fault of Police. It was not because of neglect, but logistics: freshwest Oct 2014 #28
It took 4 days to find a place for the family to be so they were forced into staying in that uppityperson Oct 2014 #30
Did you watch the video? That's all from me for you, we'll have to disagree on this. freshwest Oct 2014 #36
Judge Jenkins is great. But people were "kept safe" by confining them into an contaminated apartment uppityperson Oct 2014 #41
The problem they encountered Aerows Oct 2014 #50
Public health, including instances like this, should be handled by government departments. uppityperson Oct 2014 #55
No argument from me Aerows Oct 2014 #57
Yup. eom uppityperson Oct 2014 #58
My comment in my message was not specific to you, but for others. The title was to you. freshwest Oct 2014 #52
There were no public spaces available? None? There is something seriously wrong in Texas, to be sure uppityperson Oct 2014 #56
I watched as many public hospitals, TB wards, etc. were taken out during the Reagan years. freshwest Oct 2014 #62
It is incredible and I wonder if people or politicians will regret any of that. uppityperson Oct 2014 #63
No regrets for those who profit on the new system of doing thing. In fact, they are proud of it. freshwest Oct 2014 #68
Is that the "we help each other rather than relying on what those tax dollars we have given to help uppityperson Oct 2014 #69
The officer speaking at the presser says he was inside but had no contact with Duncan... countryjake Oct 2014 #22
So-- YarnAddict Oct 2014 #23
I'm wondering how long until test results... LeftInTX Oct 2014 #32
And so, it begins Demeter Oct 2014 #34
The pandemic you needn't worry about.. sendero Oct 2014 #73
Actually it doesn't. Probable false alarm. yellowcanine Oct 2014 #80
Ohhhhh....So after our three-hour scarefest, it's another false alarm: Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #38
You don't know until his tests comes back. LisaL Oct 2014 #42
and even then it isn't 100%, depending if enough detectable antibodies have been produced. The odds still_one Oct 2014 #45
He has stomach issues and a fever. LisaL Oct 2014 #54
Exactly, it could be the stomach flue, but based on his activities very unlikely it is Ebola still_one Oct 2014 #60
I'll wager that he ends up being clean Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #47
our usual bet, one dollar? still_one Oct 2014 #61
yep... Blue_Tires Oct 2014 #83
The Sheriff's deputy sounds a bit drama queenish. yellowcanine Oct 2014 #81
Unless this is on the major national news outlets, I remain skeptical still_one Oct 2014 #44
ABC World News covered it but that should suggest you not remain skeptical. Purveyor Oct 2014 #74
Flu, Enteriovirus, Ebola, or some bad cole slaw and brisket? haele Oct 2014 #46
Hope all he has is stomach flu. Louisiana1976 Oct 2014 #71
Too many donuts. I will feel terrible if he gets sick but I have a feeling that he's OK... winstars Oct 2014 #77
This is almost certainly NOT Ebola, in my opinion. Chemisse Oct 2014 #67
who wins with Ebola ?... quadrature Oct 2014 #72
I don't know that anyone wins. But people like Cruz who ignorantly mouth off lose. yellowcanine Oct 2014 #82
Ebola Test Negative For Dallas County Deputy muriel_volestrangler Oct 2014 #84
Excellent news. Thanks for the update! Purveyor Oct 2014 #86
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
1. The news conference will be held at 3:30 pm at Frisco’s Central Fire Station. CBSDFW will stream it
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 03:32 PM
Oct 2014

CBSDFW will stream it live...

 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
6. I do too. Firstly for the person involved and secondly this will ramp up the
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 03:44 PM
Oct 2014

panic. The RW hate-radio is just now picking up on this article and they are all but drooling over the prospect.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
9. I am mulling over potential liability for confining the family in that infected apartment for days.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 03:52 PM
Oct 2014

The things they don't think about. I hope there is learning from all of this and indeed, upping the panic. Which is why I acted so fast wrongly before once it seemed a hoax.

News media exists to sell ads, so fast vs accurate reporting "stay tuned!" is the way it goes.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
39. UP, don't blame yourself for that
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:59 PM
Oct 2014

There has been so much misinformation spread, and so quickly, that it gets impossible to sort fact from fiction.

You apologized, clarified with the right information, and that's the end of it.

You are a good DUer. I've made some erroneous posts, myself. You are just a brave enough person to admit when you are wrong, and anyone that wants to fault you for that isn't worth your time!

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
10. Duncan's sister visited him in Liberia in August.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 03:59 PM
Oct 2014

This person checked one of the screening questions about having visited West Africa on the intake form. Could be her.

Wasn't the sister also the one who said the county had not quarantined her after telling them she had been to see him?

eta a post below says its the Sheriff's Deputy that visited Duncans apt. Dang he had way less contact with him than his family did.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
4. See if he gets out of jail for the press conference.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 03:41 PM
Oct 2014

Frisco police have arrested a juvenile male from Frisco High School in connection to a picture of a bogus news article that mentions Ebola cases in Frisco.

http://www.myfoxdfw.com/story/26687002/fake-news-article-contains-inaccurate-reports-about-ebola-in-frisco

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
7. I thought the CDC said no chance of an outbreak like is happening in W Africa because we have
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 03:46 PM
Oct 2014

much better health care available not to mention our cultural norms do not extend to caring for people dying of contagious deadly diseases at home then hand washing, patting, kissing the contagious dead body before burying by hand.

But hey, could just be a different memory.

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
15. Could you provide a link to where the CDC said
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:14 PM
Oct 2014

"no chance of ebola spreading here"?

The only mention I find on the entire net per Google is your post.

https://www.google.com/search?q=CDC+%22no+chance+of+spreading+here&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&client=firefox-a&channel=sb#rls=org.mozilla:en-US fficial&channel=sb&q=CDC+%22no+chance+of+ebola+spreading+here%22

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
20. They DID NOT say no chance.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:44 PM
Oct 2014

The words, I believe they used, were highly unlikely. And they were in reference to an outbreak or epidemic.

 

redruddyred

(1,615 posts)
75. I think in this case they were overestimating our rather spotty and inadequate health care system.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:12 AM
Oct 2014

particularly its accessibility.

the cdc has been wrong many times before, why are they right now? AIDS was especially poorly handled.

letting ebola come into the country has been a big mistake. for some reason I assumed our public health officials were smart to take the necessary preventative measures, but it seems that they're only doing so after the fact.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
40. Plenty of Ebola panic being pushed:
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:05 PM
Oct 2014


Basic scientific knowledge is being applied to combat the media hysteria, at least in some quarters:



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/science-reporter-slams-foxs-ebola-coverage-level-of-ignorance-we-shouldnt-allow-in-media/

to Mister Nightowl:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014911239

That second one is worth the time to view, for those who are understandably being frightened by the GOP media spin machine.

Meantime, in typical GOP style the GOP's response to the actions taken by Obama to stop the disease in Africa citing security concerns for America and the world, they voted to slash funding:

GOP House guts White House’s request for funds to fight and contain Ebola

By David Ferguson - September 9, 2014

House Republicans have gutted a White House-sponsored bill that would direct funding to the fight to contain the hemorrhagic fever Ebola, which is raging out of control in multiple African countries.

The Hill blog reported that a source familiar with the budget negotiations confirmed that House Appropriations Committee Chairman Hal Rogers (R-KY) will agree to provide only $40 million of the $88 million the Obama administration asked for in its 2015 budget.

Twenty-five million dollars of the $40 million would go to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and $15 to the Biological Advanced Research and Development Authority (BARDA) in order to speed up production of an experimental anti-Ebola drug.

The Obama administration originally asked for $58 million for BARDA, a division of the Department of Health and Human Services. The agency is tasked with coordinating the nation’s response to public health crises, including medical testing, vaccines, drug development and other products and services associated with “public health and medical consequences of chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear (CBRN) accidents, incidents and attacks, pandemic influenza, and emerging infectious diseases.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/09/09/gop-house-guts-white-houses-request-for-funds-to-fight-and-contain-ebola/

to unhappycamper:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1104866

They still want to repeal the ACA. As this poster says:



to Pryderi:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5625918

Former SC GOP director now calls for Americans to execute anyone who 'might have' Ebola. Will there be a rash of SYG shootings now?



to circlethesquare

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=219402

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
53. I call it the 'Kill 'em all, let God sort it out' approach. But some have itchy trigger fingers now.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:45 PM
Oct 2014
Grayson was spot on with that one. When few dared speak in favor of the ACA, he was there. I'd still love UHC; it will come only to the states that want to have it, like VT and if lucky, CA. The provision is in the ACA but people have been brainwashed to deny the possibilty by fear of socialism and spreading misinformation about what is in the ACA.

The GOP actually read the bill and freaked out. If we don't let them rule us anymore, we'll have UHC which is more logical and moral than what we could get the votes for now.

Despite it working for so many millions who had nothing before and don't get much of a voice, some still hate it and are not voting, I guess. Maybe they think someone else will make it happen...


Lobo27

(753 posts)
11. I live in Mesquite suburb of Dallas.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:06 PM
Oct 2014

People in my neighborhood seem pretty calm about the whole Ebola stuff. Though, I'm certain they are worried just like I am.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
14. Flight bans are impossible
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:13 PM
Oct 2014

unless you want to ban all international travel...

Go see how any major airline network and their alliance partners operate...

christx30

(6,241 posts)
19. It is possible.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:41 PM
Oct 2014

Are you from a country in West Africa that is having a problem with Ebola? Yes? Your visa to enter the US is automatically denied for the foreseeable future. Then Great Britian does it. The France does it. And China. Germany joins in. Ect, ect.
And if the airlines are held responsible for Ebola infections that happen as a result of their continued service in the hot zone, they'll refuse to fly there (especially if no one there can get a visa to go anywhere) You don't have to shut down all air travel. You just have to stop the people from coming.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
21. Which doesn't cover
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:05 PM
Oct 2014

Hypothetical infected travelers departing West Africa who are citizens of say, Belgium or Canada...

Or infected travelers from West Africa who fly through a hypothetically non-banned country and then on to the United States...

Or infected travelers from West Africa who fly to a hypothetically non-banned country, infect a bunch of people who then unknowingly fly all over the world and spark an epidemic...

A ban has to be agreed upon by all allied countries and it has to be instant for it to work...


Your visa to enter the US is automatically denied for the foreseeable future. Then Great Britian does it. The France does it. And China. Germany joins in. Ect, ect.


You know what happens in this scenario? Mass hysteria on a global scale, since nobody wants to be stuck now that the USA has banned visas, everyone is scrambling for flights to England before that ban comes...Then they're scrambling to France and so on until the last country to ban flights (let's say Poland for the sake of discussion) has 10,000 West Africans, some probably infected, confined to a massive quarantine at the airport in Warsaw while the Polish government processes passports at a snail's pace...

Now -- Although most countries are too tactful to say it, Poland would: They wouldn't even want 10,000 completely healthy, beautiful, well-educated and highly trained West Africans to be dumped in their country, to say nothing about 10,000 who could be knocking at death's door...

Like I said -- You haven't thought this through

christx30

(6,241 posts)
33. I'm not saying it's going to 100%
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:46 PM
Oct 2014

But if it slows it down by 23, 30, 40%, wouldn't it be worth it if we can slow the infection down and save lives?
And if your visa gets denied by the country you intend to visit, you wouldn't be getting on a plane.

And people from allied countries would be let back in, but on a dedicated flight, and placed in a government funded quarantine for 22 days until they are shown to be infection free.
It's better than do absolutely nothing to slow or stop the spread of this disease world wide, as we are doing right now.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
35. I know many countries have different laws
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:54 PM
Oct 2014

but many, many countries allow you to fly there without a visa...It's once you get to immigration/passport control at your destination airport that you have a problem...And then come all the instant asylum applications to be processed while this potentially infected person(s) gets detained at an international airport...

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
24. I don't see why you can't lock down the flights from 3 West African Countries
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:22 PM
Oct 2014

Sure there are other ways to to get out of the country but anyone sick with Ebola isn't walking out of the country that's for sure.

I don't think there is one nation out there thinking 'Gee we really want to keep our flights open to and from Sierra Leone' - no one wants this shit in their country. There is no known treatment for Ebola - NONE. This is a fricking Biosafety Level 4 virus it is a motherfucking killer if you get it and no one wants it. Only way to really treat it is to isolate it. The only true 'treatment' of Ebola is when it finds no new host to infect then it just goes away.

It will be alot cheaper to fight the virus over in West Africa then for that thing to get loose elsewhere. Nigeria, which did have a small outbreak and is the most populous nation in Africa, had an outbreak and they did it right - the locked down their boarders and isolated the sick. Senegal is completely surrounded by Guinea and yet they secured their borders and have had no outbreak.

We have do-gooders and reporters traveling into the region with no clue what to expect thinking 'oh we survived SARS, we surived H1N1, this thing isn't airborne' - these people have no clue. Every inch of an Ebola patient's body is a hotzone with live Ebola virus teaming out of it in their sweat, puke, poop, piss, blood and tears - I kid you not.

We need to lock down those countries. We need to shut down travel and we need to stop the do-gooders coming in randomly trying to help out when they have no clue how to help in a hot zone. If they want to help they should first be trained thru WHO or the CDC and then monitored before returning to ensure they aren't carrying something back with them.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
31. My point is there are still too many gaps
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:44 PM
Oct 2014

to make such a drastic measure worthwhile...

What's the goal here? If you're trying to shut down one of the dozens of ways potentially infected people could enter the U.S., then fine...

If you're trying to prevent the disease from entering our borders, then the only way to be sure is to ban international travel (or only allow it with pre-screened passengers from 8-10 pre-selected cities and ONLY ATL or LAX as the destinations, with special quarantine hangars separate from the terminal)

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
66. exactly
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 07:25 PM
Oct 2014

why not?

Spain already has a case of Ebola. You don't think they are already considering the same exact thing over in Europe?

Shut down the airport and limit travel to have all citizens come into one destination and I wouldn't pick ATL or LAX. I'd pick someplace like Dover Air Force Base where we could secure people, house them test them and then when they are fine send them off to the regular airports.

These 3 countries aren't exactly tourist destinations or global business hubs. The only reason people want to get in and out of there is because of the disease.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
85. British Airways decided to stop flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone, but it wasn't a ban
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 04:28 PM
Oct 2014

The company just did it unilaterally.

British Airways, which is owned by International Consolidated Airlines Group (LON:IAG), has faced severe criticism from Liberia's government over its decision to stop flights to Ebola-suffering countries, the Telegraph has reported.

In August, the carrier announced it was halting flights to and from Sierra Leone and Liberia until December. It is now saying that it will maintain the suspension until the end of March 2015. As of 08:15 BST, IAG’s share price had added 1.54 percent to 348.60p.

Liberia's government attacks BA for suspending flights

In an interview yesterday, Liberia's information minister, Lewis Brown, commented on British Airways’ decision to suspend its flights to Liberia and Sierra Leone until March, saying that the company’s reaction to the situation now threatened the long-term aid effort, the Telegraph reported.

http://invezz.com/news/equities/13775-iag-share-price-british-airways-slammed-for-stopping-flights-to-ebola-hit-region

There were no direct flights from the countries to the USA to stop, anyway.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
13. This doesn't make sense
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:11 PM
Oct 2014

He claims to have had contact with the patient when? It would have had to been before Sept. 25...

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
17. What was he doing? Licking doorknobs or something?
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:19 PM
Oct 2014

Why wasn't he under constant watch if he went in there unprotected?

And in other stories I see this cop evidently checked the "Yes" on his "Travel to West Africa" question??

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
65. Touch dirty doorknob then touch face.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 07:20 PM
Oct 2014

If somebody had touched still-wet bodily fluid residue someplace that day and then touched same doorknob, then boom! it's that easy.

hedgehog

(36,286 posts)
76. I think we have a case of someone with a badge being a lookie-lou -
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:17 AM
Oct 2014

I would also note that many of the early symptoms of Ebola - vomiting, diarrhea, headache, malaise, are both

- also caused by other diseases

and

- -easy to develop as psychosomatic illnesses.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
18. That would be ironic. Police responsible for keeping Duncan's family inside an infected apartment
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 04:31 PM
Oct 2014

gets the disease? I am waiting to hear who it is, etc etc, before making judgments. But yes, I am still upset they made the family stay there for days. Seriously, wtf.

zazen

(2,978 posts)
25. dumb question, but can people exposed to any virus not "get it?"
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:24 PM
Oct 2014

You seem to be very medically informed so I thought I'd pose it to you.

Is it always a question of immunity from prior infection, say like with a strain of cold of influenza, or can two people with different genetic makeups (of the same overall health and age and no prior exposure) ingest droplets accidentally sprayed on food, for example, and one contract a virus (any virus--whether Ebola, flu, or cold) and the other not?

If the latter is true, then could there be a genetic susceptibility or resistance to what is in fact a droplet-based (but small enough to be breathed in) virus that can survive in blood for x days as they've said?

EG., re something else, I've just been reading about this JAK 42/1 haplotype that 45% of people of European ancestry have, that increases risk of myeloproliferative diseases. Could something weird like that, or a mutation in IgG or IGA or whatever umpteen thousand haplotypes we don't yet know about be at work here? Or is it all a question of transmission and contact, regardless of the people who contract it?

Please be patient with the less informed here--It's a sincere question.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
27. In order to catch a disease from a virus, you have to have come into contact with the virus. But
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:32 PM
Oct 2014

all people who come into contact with the virus do not get sick. It depends on a number of factors from how much you contact, how you contact, what other health issues you have going on, how good your immune system is, etc. I do not know about genetics, but suspect there is could be something there since genetics can impact other health issues, including cancer, that may or may not have a viral triggering aspect.

Rather like the common cold, why does 1 person in a group get sick and not another and the full reason is unknown.

One of the good things about ebola is that it is difficult to catch, compared to measles which is very easy to get. But the bad thing is the potential for not surviving is much larger than measles.

But yes, people exposed to a virus are not guaranteed to come down with the disease.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
28. Not the fault of Police. It was not because of neglect, but logistics:
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:34 PM
Oct 2014


to Galraedia for this video:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017219322

to Judge Jenkins who found someone to let them stay in a home they owned. It was for their safety and that of others after authorities were unable to talk anyone into renting to them. This is the same Judge who made Dallas County a sanctuary for children coming across the border despite the hate and hysteria earlier this year. Rachel does a good interview with him.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
30. It took 4 days to find a place for the family to be so they were forced into staying in that
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:39 PM
Oct 2014

infected apartment with contagious sheets on the bed? There was no place in the city of Dallas to put 4 people? The health department, the police department, the city, the hospitals, none of them could come up with a place beyond posting police outside to make sure they did not leave?

Color my cynical.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
36. Did you watch the video? That's all from me for you, we'll have to disagree on this.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:55 PM
Oct 2014

Because the level of hatred, outrage and blaming on this even at DU, despite excellent information (not saying this video is) to calm things down, will continue to be just the same as it is in the GOP owned media. It's inevitable on a media driven website.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
41. Judge Jenkins is great. But people were "kept safe" by confining them into an contaminated apartment
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:11 PM
Oct 2014

4 days. I am very glad they got moved. And very glad Judge Jenkins did what he did.

But 4 days in contaminated apartment was wrong. Dead wrong.

And yes, I watched that video.

If a city the size of Dallas can not find a place for people to be except in a contaminated apartment, there is something seriously wrong because confining people in a contaminated apartment for 4 days is atrocious. And it was not a judge's responsibility to keep people safe. That is up to public health, police, other such people. Why the hell could they find nowhere? Confining them to a contaminated apartment was "keeping them safe" the same way war is peace.

Perhaps you have missed my numerous posts the last week trying to calm people down here. Posting information about diseases, about ebola, about how to protect yourself, about how people get exposed, about MrDuncan, about conditions in Liberia/Sierra Leone/Guinea etc etc etc. Do not even try to tell me I am trying to increase hatred, outrage, inappropriate blame.

There were errors and I hope a lot of places watched, looked at their own systems to see what they needed to change. Like where to put people who may have been exposed instead of confining them to a place that was contaminated and increasing their exposure potential.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
50. The problem they encountered
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:35 PM
Oct 2014

in relocating them is because no one, no hotels, no motels, and no landlords wanted to rent to them.

They were moved to a house that has been generously donated to house them by a friend of the judge.

It's sad that so many don't want to help, but I would assume that most people want nothing to do with the expense that will be incurred if they have to decontaminate the space they moved to. Nor, cleanse the stigma that said space was occupied by potential Ebola victims.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
55. Public health, including instances like this, should be handled by government departments.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:48 PM
Oct 2014

Public Health Department at the minimum. Yes, I said government. There is a reason for Public Health Department, or whatever it is called in your particular state.

If the county, then state, is unable to find housing for 4 people, then they should be backed by the feds.
County is http://www.dallascounty.org/department/hhs/home.html
State is Texas Department of State Health Services

This is what these departments are for, to keep public safe. Pretend there was a gas leak and no one wanted to rent to them. Would they have been confined as they were? Confining people in contaminated quarters is morally and probably legally wrong. They were confined to make sure they did not infect anyone else and it should have been immediately into non-contaminated quarters.

A city the size of Dallas, 3 layers of public health, and they could not come up with room for 4 people in a family? Not even a hospital room?

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
57. No argument from me
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:53 PM
Oct 2014

I think the Public Health Departments in most states have probably been trimmed of funds so sharply, along with every other government agency, that it was inevitable there would be a situation that they can't get a handle on.

The fingers to point can be squarely directed at the politicians that repeatedly cut funds to necessary civil works so that they can say they are tough on taxes and get re-elected. As a consequence, the public welfare suffers.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
52. My comment in my message was not specific to you, but for others. The title was to you.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:37 PM
Oct 2014

The video said they could not get a landlord to rent to them. Private property owners cannot be forced, they can refuse anything.

The public health sector in Texas has been gutted and people are dying daily due to Perry's not only refusing to expand Medicaid under the ACA, but cutting services and closing many public health facilities of major importance in the state that generations had depended upon.

In their place, he has offered no replacement, just as the GOP in Washington has said, just repeal healthcare, even if it 'kills them all,' and 'let God sort it out.'

I appreciate your calming posts, but knowing many people in the state, this is just the tip of the iceberg in the lack of health care down there.

Perry has similiarly gutted all the state agencies that would provide the help you think they would be getting, so it's not the PD, is my point. The evil is from the top down.

The only solution is to vote these murderous nihilists out of office. No place is immune from the hatred of science and of government that is trying to alleviate the chaos.

Please don't take personal offense where none is intended. I have explained where I spoke to you and disagreed on whose fault this is on one point only, and that is all I disagreed with and explained the part of my post where I did not speak to you.

Peace Out.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
56. There were no public spaces available? None? There is something seriously wrong in Texas, to be sure
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:50 PM
Oct 2014

And sorry, will not take offense. My apologies. I find it incredible that there were no public space, not in a hospital, not in public housing, not in anywhere, available. It is just wrong to confine people to infectious quarters.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
62. I watched as many public hospitals, TB wards, etc. were taken out during the Reagan years.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 07:13 PM
Oct 2014

They closed down the public hospitals for mental illness. Then they gutted public housing. That was outsourced to private landlords, no longer a guarantee to not be homeless.

I watched during Bush's term as governor when, with no necessity, the state agencies for the mentally ill, chronically ill, and mentally challenged were hallowed out with only the offices and ights on; there was no money to the services.

This was done without debate to the vulnerable people who had those services until Richards lost to Bush as governor. I was in a job situation where I was in all these places doing work for my employer, but was never a state worker.

In the last few years, Perry has finished the job of turning progresive Texas institutions inside out and closing things. No, there is no social safety net but the emergency rooms, and no matter what the law says, they will turn people away. I have seen it in person. People are dying.

And they are not the only state undergoing this same 'no debate' and no need to slash funding of public institutions for private profits and to maintain and increase regressive taxation policies. People adapt to government indifference by the GOP and mourn their dead. What has been done in Texas is a national model, it was an experiment.

The state was not always like this, especially in the progressive end that came to an end under Bush, and accelerated under Perry. It was coming under Reagan as the RWers took over.

It was insidious, unwanted and now it is facism in full bloom, IMHO. The place I was born is alien to me.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
68. No regrets for those who profit on the new system of doing thing. In fact, they are proud of it.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 07:40 PM
Oct 2014

Others regret not having money to survive such a system. Many will not.

It has not been done without resistance. It's a war. It's been a slow process that continues and has profoundly changed life on the ground there.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
69. Is that the "we help each other rather than relying on what those tax dollars we have given to help
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 07:42 PM
Oct 2014

each other do to help each other" thing?

It is really too bad.

countryjake

(8,554 posts)
22. The officer speaking at the presser says he was inside but had no contact with Duncan...
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:07 PM
Oct 2014

(he thinks) and he was there four days after Duncan was hospitalized. It was the relatives who he saw the day he was in the affected apartment.

 

YarnAddict

(1,850 posts)
23. So--
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:14 PM
Oct 2014

if he was exposed only to people who had been exposed to Duncan and not to Duncan himself, would he be showing symptoms before the people he supposedly got it from??

LeftInTX

(25,278 posts)
32. I'm wondering how long until test results...
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 05:44 PM
Oct 2014

And read that in Duncan's case they had to send the lab to Austin. So, I guess tomorrow they'll have results.

The first official notification the public received about the problem didn't come until 9:30 p.m. Monday, Sept. 29, via a four-sentence email release from the hospital, stating that a patient had been placed in "strict isolation" and was being evaluated for Ebola. The bloodwork, Lakey said, reached the lab in Austin at 9 a.m. on Tuesday, Sept. 30, and results were back by 1:30 p.m. Hours later, the CDC for the first time confirmed the case, citing the positive test results.

http://www.nola.com/health/index.ssf/2014/10/ebola_test_delay_could_affect.html

sendero

(28,552 posts)
73. The pandemic you needn't worry about..
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 10:10 PM
Oct 2014

...... unless there are multiple cluster fucks from top to bottom. Oh wait, there are.

still_one

(92,176 posts)
45. and even then it isn't 100%, depending if enough detectable antibodies have been produced. The odds
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:22 PM
Oct 2014

are that he isn't infected, but overly worried because he spent time in the apartment

LisaL

(44,973 posts)
54. He has stomach issues and a fever.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:46 PM
Oct 2014

Which are symptoms of Ebola. Or could be something else. Or could be Ebola.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
81. The Sheriff's deputy sounds a bit drama queenish.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 03:57 PM
Oct 2014
Update at 3:45 p.m.:

The Frisco patient has been identified by his family as sheriff’s Deputy Michael Monnig.

The man’s son said his father had been monitoring his temperature since last week and went to the clinic out of an abundance of caution, our Eva-Marie Ayala reports.

“We don’t want to cause a panic,” Logan Monnig said. “There is almost no chance my dad would have Ebola.”

The deputy told his family he had stomach pain and fatigue. Because the symptoms came after a visit to Duncan’s apartment, he decided to play it safe and get checked out.

“He spent very little time in the apartment, and he did not come in contact with Mr. Duncan or any bodily fluids,” his son said. “We’re just waiting for the facts right now to make sure he’s OK.”


So he walked into the apartment, didn't touch anything, and never had any contact with the patient. Then you get a few symptoms a week later - okay, maybe out of an abundance of caution you drive yourself to the ER. You don't call 911 and potentially contaminate more people if in fact you do have Ebola.
 

Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
74. ABC World News covered it but that should suggest you not remain skeptical.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 10:14 PM
Oct 2014

We shall know soon as the test results come in.

Praying it was just 'something he ate'...

haele

(12,649 posts)
46. Flu, Enteriovirus, Ebola, or some bad cole slaw and brisket?
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 06:27 PM
Oct 2014

Keep him quarantined until until the tests come in to be cautious. But it looks really silly to go running around with hair on fire for 24 hours and find out its only food poisoning from Burger King or something his kid brought home from school.

There are a lot of bugs that are going about that "look like early Ebola symptoms". And it's very odd that someone who never actually came in contact with the patient, but perhaps with some residue four days after the patient left has come down sick and no one else apparently has.

Just sayin'.

Haele

winstars

(4,220 posts)
77. Too many donuts. I will feel terrible if he gets sick but I have a feeling that he's OK...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:28 AM
Oct 2014

I hope he is of course...Really...

Chemisse

(30,809 posts)
67. This is almost certainly NOT Ebola, in my opinion.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 07:38 PM
Oct 2014

If the family members who actually lived in the dirty apartment are not sick, some guy who stepped in there briefly is surely not going to have Ebola.

I can't blame him for worrying about it though.

 

quadrature

(2,049 posts)
72. who wins with Ebola ?...
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 09:50 PM
Oct 2014

Ebola will become a political football.

political parties will blame each other

who wins?

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
84. Ebola Test Negative For Dallas County Deputy
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 04:22 PM
Oct 2014
A test to detect whether a Dallas County Sheriff’s Deputy has the deadly Ebola virus has come back negative, according to state health officials.

The results were provided by Texas Department of Health, which released the following statement:

“The Texas Department of State Health Services has completed testing of the specimen submitted today by Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas. The result is negative for Ebola.”

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/09/ebola-test-negative-for-dallas-county-deputy/
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