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kpete

(71,984 posts)
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 08:20 PM Oct 2014

(SCOTUS) Ruling: No same-day registration in NC election

Source: News Observer

RALEIGH, N.C. — Same-day registration won't be allowed during early voting in North Carolina and Election Day ballots cast in the wrong precinct won't be counted this fall after the U.S. Supreme Court on Wednesday blocked a ruling that had set aside parts of a 2013 election law.

A majority on the nation's highest court agreed to halt the ruling of the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals. Two justices dissented.

The decision means the full law will remain enforced while the state and civil rights groups that challenged the law prepare for trial next summer. The full law was enforced during the May primary as well.

Early voting begins Oct. 23 and the registration deadline remains Friday, as originally planned.


Read more: http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/10/08/4218024_us-supreme-court-sides-with-nc.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

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(SCOTUS) Ruling: No same-day registration in NC election (Original Post) kpete Oct 2014 OP
Fuck those fucking fuckers. nt valerief Oct 2014 #1
that was the EXACT phrase in my head....I was about to write it then I read it instead! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2014 #2
There are no other words to describe those criminals, nay fiends. nt valerief Oct 2014 #3
I've got one more to the point Jack Rabbit Oct 2014 #12
The only way Republicans win is by tampering down the vote by what ever means. Historic NY Oct 2014 #4
Looks like Kagan is to blame Politicalboi Oct 2014 #5
How is she to blame on a 7-2 ruling? Drunken Irishman Oct 2014 #7
This is the first I heard, but I can guarantee that Notorious R.B.G. was one dissenter. Dustlawyer Oct 2014 #8
That's not what it means. Keefer Oct 2014 #9
Thank you for posting this dragonlady Oct 2014 #15
She did not have to "take the time to write a separate dissent". former9thward Oct 2014 #24
OK, but let's be honest, since 2000 why would anyone not register early, and vote? Frankly, ever still_one Oct 2014 #6
Some of those countries require, by law, that you vote. Others pay incentives. DRoseDARs Oct 2014 #10
In Texas, Monday was the deadline christx30 Oct 2014 #17
I agree, and if they aren't paying attention I conclude they don't really care, and who is to blame still_one Oct 2014 #18
The consultants are part of the problem kenfrequed Oct 2014 #25
I agree to a large extent. They didn't do the Gore and Kerry camps much good still_one Oct 2014 #28
Definitely. kenfrequed Oct 2014 #34
The country didn't vote for Bush twice. Orsino Oct 2014 #29
If the voting turnout is dismal what do you think? Why do you still_one Oct 2014 #30
Are the people who turned out and who stayed home at fault? n/t Orsino Oct 2014 #31
that is how the system is setup. it is like the philosophical question with the still_one Oct 2014 #32
Interestingly ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #11
The SCOTUS gives "deference" to states Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #20
Actually ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #21
Bush v. Gore was a complete reversal of years of precedent Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #22
Yes, I know ... 1StrongBlackMan Oct 2014 #23
Gores legal team sucked. The first thing Gore should have done is request a recount of the entire s still_one Oct 2014 #33
Or as I call them SCROTUS 47of74 Oct 2014 #13
It's getting to look, more and more, like the 1% owns the Supreme Court, too. blkmusclmachine Oct 2014 #14
Only two dissenters? blackspade Oct 2014 #16
This is why we have already lost Kelvin Mace Oct 2014 #19
keep those black, young, poor, elderly heaven05 Oct 2014 #26
Did they consider New Hampshire????????????????? TheNutcracker Oct 2014 #27

Historic NY

(37,449 posts)
4. The only way Republicans win is by tampering down the vote by what ever means.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 08:32 PM
Oct 2014

They keep changing the play book, unfortunately voters will procrastinate and they expect to take advantage of that.

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
8. This is the first I heard, but I can guarantee that Notorious R.B.G. was one dissenter.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 09:08 PM
Oct 2014

That means one of Obama's picks went with the bought and paid for crowd! Obama picked corporate Justices, not necessarily liberal ones. Probably another reason why R.B.G. will not retire!

Keefer

(713 posts)
9. That's not what it means.
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 09:11 PM
Oct 2014

From the article:

"The court's order was unsigned, as it typically is in these situations. Justices Ruth Bader Ginsburg and Sonia Sotomayor dissented, saying they would have left the appellate ruling in place. It is unclear how the other seven justices came down on the matter, other than that at least five formed a majority and voted in North Carolina's favor."

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/10/08/4218024_us-supreme-court-sides-with-nc.html?rh=1#storylink=cpy

dragonlady

(3,577 posts)
15. Thank you for posting this
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 12:33 AM
Oct 2014

You took the time to look into the facts rather than jumping to conclusions. I think it's more likely than not that Justice Kagan is against this decision but declined to take the time to write a separate dissent. Right now she has the request for stay of Wisconsin's voter ID law before her and we in Wisconsin would like her to focus on that.

former9thward

(31,981 posts)
24. She did not have to "take the time to write a separate dissent".
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 12:05 PM
Oct 2014

All she had to do is sign the dissent that was made.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
6. OK, but let's be honest, since 2000 why would anyone not register early, and vote? Frankly, ever
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 08:55 PM
Oct 2014

since the country voted for bush junior junior twice, the country has deserved everything they have gotten.

In most other Democratic countries the voting turnout is 80%, here we are lucky to get 25%.

It is pathetic.

As far as voting irregularities or forces trying to prevent people from voting, where in the hell have the Democrats been on this. Since 2000 we knew we had a problem, still nothing adequate has been done.

If we retain the Senate, it won't have anything to do with the Democrat's expensive consultants, but just plain luck

christx30

(6,241 posts)
17. In Texas, Monday was the deadline
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 05:44 AM
Oct 2014

to register for the November 4th election. We had months of warning. There was a huge effort on behalf of both sides to register as many people as possible. I know Battleground Texas got 2000+ on the last day in Austin alone. The local sanwhich chain let voter registrars set up outside their shops to get as many people as possible. Local radio stations were encouraging everyone to get there and register.
But, yes, I've been registered since June. Anyone that hasn't just isn't paying attention.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
18. I agree, and if they aren't paying attention I conclude they don't really care, and who is to blame
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 06:56 AM
Oct 2014

for that?

In this thread they are talking about not allowing same day voter registration as the election. To me that is NOT an issue of voter suppression. Voter suppression is if they reduce the number of voting machines at a precent that services many people. Voter suppression is not allowing early voting or absentee voting, but not allowing same day registration on election day is not.

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
25. The consultants are part of the problem
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 12:19 PM
Oct 2014

They always try to sand off every rough edge of a candidate and push them towards centrist-corporatism, safe business friendly positions, and big corporate donors.

Populism and progressive ideals are appealing when presented to the public.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
28. I agree to a large extent. They didn't do the Gore and Kerry camps much good
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:14 PM
Oct 2014

Especially considering the compensation they got

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
34. Definitely.
Tue Oct 14, 2014, 05:38 PM
Oct 2014

With Gore they drove him to the right and pushed Liebermann on him to somehow placate the blue dogs in his party which actually alienated the base and made the democratic party seem feckess and disconnected. Had Gore chosen a better VP and ran a more populist he might have won.

Of course had the Democratic party been more progressive at the time we would be in a stronger position now.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
29. The country didn't vote for Bush twice.
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 02:16 PM
Oct 2014

But exactly how many of us deserve everything we've gotten?

still_one

(92,136 posts)
32. that is how the system is setup. it is like the philosophical question with the
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 03:00 PM
Oct 2014

Biblical story of Sodom and gomorrah, should the whole town be destroyed if innocents are there?

and there is no doubt the republicans who like feel the same way

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
11. Interestingly ...
Wed Oct 8, 2014, 09:19 PM
Oct 2014

the linked to article did not cite to the majority opinion to provide its rationale.

I guess I'll have to be friends with the google to find out the "reasoning." I suspect it will be that the states are given deference with respect to its election rules, unless proven to be discriminatory; and at least 3 Justices (I.e., Kagan and two others were unconvinced).

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
21. Actually ...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 11:22 AM
Oct 2014
Bush v. Gore is a prime example of that deference (and your point) ... it was the republican Kathleen Harris that argued for calling the count.
 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
22. Bush v. Gore was a complete reversal of years of precedent
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 11:42 AM
Oct 2014

by conservatives who had always been about "states rights". In the 2000 election they over-ruled the state's own laws on how ballots were counted. Conservatives loathed the 14th Amendment, until they saw a perverse way to use it to get their guy elected. If the roles in Bush v. Gore had been reversed, there is no way they would have ruled as they did.

To quote Vincent Bugliosi, no commie pinko liberal, but a respected Republican from back in the day when such things existed:

Now, in the equal protection cases I've seen, the aggrieved party, the one who is being harmed and discriminated against, almost invariably brings the action. But no Florida voter I'm aware of brought any action under the equal protection clause claiming he was disfranchised because of the different standards being employed. What happened here is that Bush leaped in and tried to profit from a hypothetical wrong inflicted on someone else. Even assuming Bush had this right, the very core of his petition to the Court was that he himself would be harmed by these different standards. But would he have? If we're to be governed by common sense, the answer is no. The reason is that just as with flipping a coin you end up in rather short order with as many heads as tails, there would be a "wash" here for both sides, i.e., there would be just as many Bush as Gore votes that would be counted in one county yet disqualified in the next. (Even if we were to assume, for the sake of argument, that the wash wouldn't end up exactly, 100 percent even, we'd still be dealing with the rule of de minimis non curat lex--the law does not concern itself with trifling matters.) So what harm to Bush was the Court so passionately trying to prevent by its ruling other than the real one: that he would be harmed by the truth as elicited from a full counting of the undervotes?

And if the Court's five-member majority was concerned not about Bush but the voters themselves, as they fervently claimed to be, then under what conceivable theory would they, in effect, tell these voters, "We're so concerned that some of you undervoters may lose your vote under the different Florida county standards that we're going to solve the problem by making sure that none of you undervoters have your votes counted"? Isn't this exactly what the Court did?


If the roles were reversed, and a NC Dem administration was pushing rules that were going to result in Republican voters being disenfranchised, you can be damned sure the Scalia Five would be on the scene to save they day, staying any onerous last minute changes.

It will be interesting to see how Kagan rules on Wisconsin's voting law.

The right cannot win without cheating and the fix is in.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
23. Yes, I know ...
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 11:57 AM
Oct 2014

we are on the same side on this issue ... My point was while B v. G reversed the Florida's LAWS, the decision "showed deference to" the republican Secretary of State's (partisan and results-oriented) INTERPRETATION of those laws.

still_one

(92,136 posts)
33. Gores legal team sucked. The first thing Gore should have done is request a recount of the entire s
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 03:12 PM
Oct 2014

which is allowed from that by Florida law. Instead they delayed, and then only selected areas, which right or wrong was what they based part of their decision on


An immediate recount of the entire state might have avoided the SC Fiasco

Apart from that an anti trust lawyer was not the best representative for our side. Fire's advisors sucked also

 

Kelvin Mace

(17,469 posts)
19. This is why we have already lost
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 11:05 AM
Oct 2014

The right will control the SCOTUS for the next 10-30 years. So, when the Dems refused to filibuster Alito and Roberts they handed the court over to right-wing extremists. At that point we lost it all, since SCOTUS will undo any reform they don't like.

And even if we retain control of the senate/presidency, the GOP is not going to let anyone without conservative credentials on the court.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
26. keep those black, young, poor, elderly
Thu Oct 9, 2014, 01:18 PM
Oct 2014

from voting!!! It's the only way these RW snakes can win. How very obvious and sad a tactic in our so-called democracy.

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