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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:04 PM Oct 2014

Russia's Defense Minister Bristles At Hagel's Comments About "Revisionist Russia"

Source: Associated Press

THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
First Posted: October 16, 2014 - 12:48 pm

MOSCOW — Russian Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu has criticized a comment by the U.S. defense secretary about Russia's military resurgence.

U.S. Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel issued a warning to the American armed forces on Wednesday about the need to "deal with a revisionist Russia" and its army "on NATO's doorstep."

Shoigu on Thursday expressed concern about Hagel's comment, saying it could "mean that the Pentagon is working on scenarios for an operation near our country's border."

Concerns about Russia's military might surfaced in March when Russia annexed the Crimean peninsula from Ukraine, and were reinforced this summer when Ukraine and NATO said Russian troops were helping pro-Russian separatists fight government forces in eastern Ukraine.

Read more: http://www.dailyjournal.net/view/story/bbd1b53faaa04c84aad7d6d5274ed350/EU--Russia-US/

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Russia's Defense Minister Bristles At Hagel's Comments About "Revisionist Russia" (Original Post) Purveyor Oct 2014 OP
As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2014 #1
/facepalm Xolodno Oct 2014 #2
NATO army on Russia's doorstep Laughing Mirror Oct 2014 #3
And that's where the revisionism comes in. Igel Oct 2014 #4

The Magistrate

(95,243 posts)
1. As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:09 PM
Oct 2014

Mr. Putin was recently quoted as follows, speaking of U.S. policy in Europe at present: " “We hope that our partners will realize the recklessness of attempts to blackmail Russia, will remember the risks that a spat between major nuclear powers incurs for strategic stability.” "

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2014/10/15/putin-to-u-s-stop-the-blackmail.html

What do you think the reaction ought to be to a statement like that?

What do you think the reaction would be were President Obama to say something like this: 'We hope our partners will realize the recklessness of trying to change the map of Europe by force majeure, will remember the risks that a spat between major nuclear powers incurs for strategic stability.'"

Xolodno

(6,384 posts)
2. /facepalm
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 02:25 PM
Oct 2014

This quote says it all.....

"deal with a revisionist Russia" and its army "on NATO's doorstep."

Yes, how dare Russia be on NATO's doorstep or even a part of Europe....and how dare they...a sovereign nation...have an army that worries about NATO's encroachment.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
3. NATO army on Russia's doorstep
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 03:13 PM
Oct 2014

That's the other part of the equation that is often left out. NATO sees Russian army on their doorstep; Russia see's NATO army on their doorstep.

NATO is always correct, of course. So that effectively cancels out the Russian take on this.

Igel

(35,274 posts)
4. And that's where the revisionism comes in.
Thu Oct 16, 2014, 08:00 PM
Oct 2014

Because it's not France's perception of Russia's army on NATO's doorstep.

It's the Baltics' and Poland's perception. And they have had a vast range of experience with the Russian army on the doorstep ... then in the living room, kitchen, bedroom, and making sure that the people in the den are shipped back to someplace nasty in Russia.

While Russia briefly flirted with the idea of acknowledging this was perhaps a not-so-nice thing, of late it's taken the opposite view: It's a power only for good, and the ungrateful fools didn't appreciate how wonderful being under their Slavic (or Balto-Slavic) brothers was. The bad things Lenin and Stalin and Khrushchev did are ignored (except for Khrushchev's stupidity in giving away proper Russian soil to Ukraine). Gorbachev was evil for allowing the Russian empire--the USSR--to collapse.

And they see Russia meddling with arms, munitions, "activists" and proxies in Ukraine, followed by cross-border shelling and send in support troops, advisors, etc.

So what is the big difference between Ukraine and the Baltics? From the Latvians' and Estonians' point of view, not a heck of a whole lot. Except NATO.

They also see that the presence of NATO troops isn't a big factor in the Russian buildup. There are no more NATO troops near the Ukraine than there were a year ago. Yet Russia's moved ships, air squadrons, nuclear weapons, numerous pieces of artillery, armor, and a lot of men into Crimea. Making Ukraine really wish that it had NATO troops on its soil.

I wouid add an adjective to Hagel's description of Russia as "revisionist." It's also irredentist. It seeks "historical justice" like the worst of the KKK seek "historical justice". Once in charge, it's an injustice not to be in charge. What used to be property must once again be property. That's the proper order of things, and the proper order of things is required for "historical justice." It's a warped view, but one that's easily understood. And beneath contempt.

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